Recently in another thread, someone said such as...
"The mind is evidence of God."
For debate:
Please offer some means to confirm the claim is true and factual.
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The mind as evidence of god
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Re: The mind as evidence of god
Post #11Why? Is it to do with the evidence or is it to do with your personal preferences?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:00 pmI leave that to those who'd do their defining.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:49 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #1]
What do you mean by 'God'?"The mind is evidence of God."
I really like your cosmic mind hypothesis, but for me it's unsatisfactory in light of our understanding of biological processes.I think that the mind is evidence the we exist within a creation...
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Re: The mind as evidence of god
Post #12I find biological processes a superior candidate as an explanation for the mind. I see little that'd convince me the mind is ever separate from the brain.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:03 pmWhy? Is it to do with the evidence or is it to do with your personal preferences?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:00 pmI leave that to those who'd do their defining.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:49 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #1]
What do you mean by 'God'?"The mind is evidence of God."
I really like your cosmic mind hypothesis, but for me it's unsatisfactory in light of our understanding of biological processes.I think that the mind is evidence the we exist within a creation...
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Post #13Yet there is no evidence to support that biological processes are not themselves derived from mind.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:43 pmI find biological processes a superior candidate as an explanation for the mind.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:03 pmWhy? Is it to do with the evidence or is it to do with your personal preferences?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:00 pmI leave that to those who'd do their defining.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:49 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #1]
What do you mean by 'God'?"The mind is evidence of God."
I really like your cosmic mind hypothesis, but for me it's unsatisfactory in light of our understanding of biological processes.I think that the mind is evidence the we exist within a creation...
This being the case, in what way makes this belief you have, "superior"?
If there is a Cosmic Mind, then there is no reason to assume there is not a Cosmic Brain.I see little that'd convince me the mind is ever separate from the brain.
Therefore, one does not have to separate mind from brain.
In the case of the idea we may yet have another experiential reality after the death of our individual brain, a Cosmic Mind could accommodate, by 'uploading' and 'saving' our overall personality developed in this stage - into another reality experience - all housed within the workings of the Cosmic Mind.
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Re: The mind as evidence of god
Post #14William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:54 pmYet there is no evidence to support that biological processes are not themselves derived from mind.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:43 pmI find biological processes a superior candidate as an explanation for the mind.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:03 pmWhy? Is it to do with the evidence or is it to do with your personal preferences?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:00 pmI leave that to those who'd do their defining.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:49 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #1]
What do you mean by 'God'?"The mind is evidence of God."
I really like your cosmic mind hypothesis, but for me it's unsatisfactory in light of our understanding of biological processes.I think that the mind is evidence the we exist within a creation...
This being the case, in what way makes this belief you have, "superior"?
If there is a Cosmic Mind, then there is no reason to assume there is not a Cosmic Brain.I see little that'd convince me the mind is ever separate from the brain.
Therefore, one does not have to separate mind from brain.
In the case of the idea we may yet have another experiential reality after the death of our individual brain, a Cosmic Mind could accommodate, by 'uploading' and 'saving' our overall personality developed in this stage - into another reality experience - all housed within the workings of the Cosmic Mind.
That is a common fallacy 'you have to prove that biological processes are not derived from mind'. No, the burden of proof is on you (as claimant) to show that they are. We know that biological processes exist and 'Mind' is a faith -claim until you validate it. Thus biological processes are the first choice hypothesis for what produces human mind even aside from the research that shows human mind detectable in brain activity and that animal awareness and problem - solving is known and can traced in the evolutionary record. It seems to me that Mind outside of the animal consciousness and as the source and origin of anything has the burden of proof on it.
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Re: The mind as evidence of god
Post #16The prior post above, obviously.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:13 pm [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #14]
Who are you replying to?
Oh Ok I'll put it ibn.
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Re: The mind as evidence of god
Post #17I see no connect between your reply and what I wrote.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:19 pmThe prior post above, obviously.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:13 pm [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #14]
Who are you replying to?
Normally whenever the word "if" is used, no claim is being made.
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Re: The mind as evidence of god
Post #18We can replace "mind" there with "biscuits" with equal validity. I'll stick with the experts on thisn.
It's a provisional belief, but I find the supporting data exceedingly compelling.William wrote: This being the case, in what way makes this belief you have, "superior"?
If. I see little reason to conclude such is the case.William wrote: If there is a Cosmic Mind, then there is no reason to assume there is not a Cosmic Brain.
I don't think they can be separated, least not with current technology.William wrote: Therefore, one does not have to separate mind from brain.
Fascinating, but speculative.William wrote: In the case of the idea we may yet have another experiential reality after the death of our individual brain, a Cosmic Mind could accommodate, by 'uploading' and 'saving' our overall personality developed in this stage - into another reality experience - all housed within the workings of the Cosmic Mind.
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Re: The mind as evidence of god
Post #19ok. You were not making a claim. Then the mention of a cosmic Mind is neither here nor there until such a thing is validated as a claim.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:25 pmI see no connect between your reply and what I wrote.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:19 pmThe prior post above, obviously.William wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:13 pm [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #14]
Who are you replying to?
Normally whenever the word "if" is used, no claim is being made.
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Re: The mind as evidence of god
Post #20[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #18]
Or, are such throwaway comments simply irrational response to rational ideas?
Is that to say that we can replace 'in the mind' with "in the biscuits". Is it therefore valid to say "the biscuit is a powerful thing" et al?We can replace "mind" there with "biscuits" with equal validity.
Or, are such throwaway comments simply irrational response to rational ideas?
Do these experts also refer to minds as 'biscuits' and call that 'valid'?I'll stick with the experts on thisn.
This being the case, in what way makes this belief you have, "superior"?
Provisional and Compelling to what? The position of Atheism?It's a provisional belief, but I find the supporting data exceedingly compelling.
If there is a Cosmic Mind, then there is no reason to assume there is not a Cosmic Brain.
No one is asking you to conclude that is the case. You are simply being asked to be open to it - perhaps - being the case.If. I see little reason to conclude such is the case.
In the case of the idea we may yet have another experiential reality after the death of our individual brain, a Cosmic Mind could accommodate, by 'uploading' and 'saving' our overall personality developed in this stage - into another reality experience - all housed within the workings of the Cosmic Mind.
As are all human theories, whether they support ones particular preferred position or not.Fascinating, but speculative.
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