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Easter Traditions?

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Are there any Easter Traditions that are related specifically to Jesus' resurrection? The Easter eggs hunts, bunnies and pastel-colored candies seem to be a celebration of spring. Certainly, sermons will be preached on Jesus' resurrection, but are there any Easter Traditions that Christians practice with their families that are focused on Jesus?


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pjharrison57 wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:18 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #36]

There are only two ways to live. Either by God or by the devil. The devil is the ruler of this world.
There are in fact more than two ways to live.

We agree that Allah is the One True God, but obviously Christians and all other religious groups live by their version of a god and therefore, there are more than just to two ways to live. Math proves your statement to be incorrect and your claim failed to address atheists, agnostics or ignostics and the way they live their lives.

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brunumb wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:37 am
Goat wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:09 am
nobspeople wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:41 am Because the jesus story is full of holes?
Just the hands and feet.
Which could make walking on water problematic should he try that again on his return. ;)

(Sorry. Couldn't hold it in. The devil made me do it)
It also makes the statement 'I am in hands of Jesus' problematic.
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Re: Easter Traditions?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:08 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:33 pm

Can you reference where the Last supper in John is identified as the first day of the festival of unfermented bread
John does not specifically say this and one has to admit his time markers are somewhat ambiguous, but he has Jesus eat what is evidently the Passover meal (13:3) and then reports he died on the same day calling it the "Preparation of the Passover" (19:14).

Since it is a matter historical record there was a Passover meal on the 14th and a Festival on the 15th , this is the most reasonable conclusion.




Does Johns employ of metonym mean he could not be referring to 15th Nisan at John 18:28?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 34#p998834



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Which then, of course, makes the story about the trial of Jesus against all Jewish law and tradition, because criminal trails would be forbidden during the high holidays, and on the Sabbath. That gives the whole trial of Jesus claim to be very suspect.
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Re: Easter Traditions?

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WAS THE NIGHT TRIAL AGAINST JESUS LEGAL?
Goat wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:20 pm... the trial of Jesus against all Jewish law and tradition, because criminal trails would be forbidden during the high holidays, and on the Sabbath. ...
Just one of the numerous infractions the kangaroo court made during the course of one of the greatest travesties of justice ever recorded.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:06 pm WAS THE NIGHT TRIAL AGAINST JESUS LEGAL?
Goat wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:20 pm... the trial of Jesus against all Jewish law and tradition, because criminal trails would be forbidden during the high holidays, and on the Sabbath. ...
Just one of the numerous infractions the kangaroo court made during the course of one of the greatest travesties of justice ever recorded.
LUKE 23:4 New International Version

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While there might be kangaroo courts, the fact that the high holidays were in progress, it is very strong evidence it is just a story. The importance of the high holidays would stop people who would do a kanagroo court from participating. It is was a minor holiday, well maybe, but you couldn't show that 70 religious Jews who are the pillars of the community would publicly violate their religion to run a kangaroo court. Sorry, it didn't happen as written, if it happened at all.
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Re: Easter Traditions?

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Goat wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:20 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:08 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:33 pm

Can you reference where the Last supper in John is identified as the first day of the festival of unfermented bread
John does not specifically say this and one has to admit his time markers are somewhat ambiguous, but he has Jesus eat what is evidently the Passover meal (13:3) and then reports he died on the same day calling it the "Preparation of the Passover" (19:14).

Since it is a matter historical record there was a Passover meal on the 14th and a Festival on the 15th , this is the most reasonable conclusion.




Does Johns employ of metonym mean he could not be referring to 15th Nisan at John 18:28?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 34#p998834



To learn more please go to other posts related to ...

THE PASSOVER, THE MOSAIC LAW COVENANT and ... SABBATH KEEPING
Which then, of course, makes the story about the trial of Jesus against all Jewish law and tradition, because criminal trails would be forbidden during the high holidays, and on the Sabbath. That gives the whole trial of Jesus claim to be very suspect.
I think that is a valid point. I suspect that Jesus was arrested during or after Sukkhot and not Passover at all and Passover was only selected as more appropriate for a sacrifice for sin. Thus confusion of how the crucifixion related to Passover might have got confused, as we appear to find evidence that the synoptics had it on the Thursday and John after Friday. But you are likely to be right and it could not be on any day during the festival, especially if the Priests were supposed to be involved. This is just one problem during part of the story that is taken as reliable history no matter whether one believes the miracles or not, but that's a real can of worms and just one of so many, and by no means the worst.

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WAS THE NIGHT TRIAL AGAINST JESUS LEGAL?

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Goat wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:45 pm
... the trial of Jesus against all Jewish law and tradition, because criminal trails would be forbidden during the high holidays, and on the Sabbath. ...
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:06 pmJust one of the numerous infractions the kangaroo court made during the course of one of the greatest travesties of justice ever recorded.
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Goat wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:45 pm

...The importance of the high holidays would stop people who would do a kanagroo court from participating.


You seem to be under the impression that corruption does not exist and that it is impossible that powerful men can subvert the course of justice for selfish reasons if they hold a religious position. Isn't such a premise somewhat naïve?


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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:37 pm WAS THE NIGHT TRIAL AGAINST JESUS LEGAL?

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Goat wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:45 pm
... the trial of Jesus against all Jewish law and tradition, because criminal trails would be forbidden during the high holidays, and on the Sabbath. ...
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:06 pmJust one of the numerous infractions the kangaroo court made during the course of one of the greatest travesties of justice ever recorded.
LUKE 23:4 New International Version

Then Pilate announced to the chief priests and the crowd, “I find no basis for a charge against this man.”
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Goat wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:45 pm

...The importance of the high holidays would stop people who would do a kanagroo court from participating.


You seem to be under the impression that corruption does not exist and that it is impossible that powerful men can subvert the course of justice for selfish reasons if they hold a religious position. Isn't such a premise somewhat naïve?


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Well, I am sure corruption exists. HOWEVER, trials are public, and you would have to assume from the story-line that ALL 70 of the Sanhedrin were in on it, including the priests whose power is based on the perception on how upright and holy they were Even if every one of them were corrupt, something that is highly unlikely, the public scrutiny of the priests in power during the high holy days would take priority over the execution of some minor rabble rouser It certainly wouldn't be enough to have him put on trial right then and there. Lock him up a few days, and do the trial the next week, with the proper protocols publicly observed, and the appearances would be maintained.

It doesn't seem reasonable to think that the Jewish authorities would have so much power and co operations over the Roman soldiers also. You got Roman solider doing the arresting, and Roman soldiers doing the execution, and Pontius Pilate doing so much acquisition to the Sanhedrin. That just does not makes sense at all.
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You seem to be under the impression that corruption does not exist and that it is impossible that powerful men can subvert the course of justice for selfish reasons if they hold a religious position. Isn't such a premise somewhat naïve?

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Goat wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:29 pm

... if every one of them were corrupt, something that is highly unlikely,
Emphasis MINE


Well, I am sure the rich and powerful are pleased to know us "little folk" believe it is, to quote you "highly unlikely" that they would all be corrupt. Any good conspiracy theorist however knows what rises to the top if the system is indemically corrupt. The overwhelming testimony of human history dictates that the higher the level, the more money involved, the more corruption you will inevitably find.

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The few good men ( and yes there are inevitiably some, I didnt say otherwise..) or those that are as yet untainted are either overpowered (as in the trial of Jesus) or voluntarily vote against their conscience faced with superior sources as a survival mechanism. Nazi GERMANY did not happen because every one of their leaders were corrupt, but because those that were commandeer the system

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Sadly religion has not proved to be the exception to the rule.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:24 am
Goat wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:29 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:37 pm WAS THE NIGHT TRIAL AGAINST JESUS LEGAL?



Goat wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:45 pm
... the trial of Jesus against all Jewish law and tradition, because criminal trails would be forbidden during the high holidays, and on the Sabbath. ...
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:06 pmJust one of the numerous infractions the kangaroo court made during the course of one of the greatest travesties of justice ever recorded.
LUKE 23:4 New International Version

Then Pilate announced to the chief priests and the crowd, “I find no basis for a charge against this man.”


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Goat wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:45 pm

...The importance of the high holidays would stop people who would do a kanagroo court from participating.


You seem to be under the impression that corruption does not exist and that it is impossible that powerful men can subvert the course of justice for selfish reasons if they hold a religious position. Isn't such a premise somewhat naïve?


... if every one of them were corrupt, something that is highly unlikely,

Well, I am sure the rich and powerful are pleased to know us "little folk" believe it is, to quote you "highly unlikely" that they would all be corrupt. Any good conspiracy theorist however knows what rises to the top if the system is indemically corrupt. The overwhelming testimony of human history dictates that the higher the level, the more money involved, the more corruption you will inevitably find.


The few good men ( and yes there are inevitiably some, I didnt say otherwise..) or those that are as yet untainted are either overpowered (as in the trial of Jesus) or voluntarily vote against their conscience faced with superior sources as a survival mechanism. Nazi GERMANY did not happen because every one of their leaders were corrupt, but because those that were commandeer the system



Sadly religion has not proved to be the exception to the rule.
And, I don't see how any of this posting of huge pictures supports your claim nor refutes mine.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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