Does consciousness exist?

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Does consciousness exist?

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Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Yes, I am conscious, therefore consciousness exists.

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Wootah wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:39 pm Does consciousness exist?

Research links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscious ... sciousness.

https://www.google.com/search?q=does+co ... nt=gws-wiz

What do you think?
I think the first step in discussing whether something exists is to define specifically what we are talking about.

So let's define "consciousness" to begin with, and once we are all sure we are talking about the same thing, we can continue.

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Kylie wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:17 pm
Wootah wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:39 pm Does consciousness exist?

Research links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscious ... sciousness.

https://www.google.com/search?q=does+co ... nt=gws-wiz

What do you think?
I think the first step in discussing whether something exists is to define specifically what we are talking about.

So let's define "consciousness" to begin with, and once we are all sure we are talking about the same thing, we can continue.
Go for it.
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Bust Nak wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:01 pm [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

Yes, I am conscious, therefore consciousness exists.
Someone call Dan.



edit: 4min:10s Dennet says we are cells, that is what we are. Lol I haven't watched this for ages but he and I agree.
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Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:51 pm Someone call Dan.
I think he already knows consciousness exists, what do you think he was trying to explain, if the thing he was explaining doesn't exist?

Fun video, but what exactly do you think he and I would disagree on? To borrow his analogy, here you are asking, "does magic exist?" and I say "yes, I saw the lady get sawed in half in a magic show, therefore magic exists." Are you going to tell me, that's not real magic? Real magic refers to the magic that's not real. While the magic that is real, that can actually be done, is not real magic?

Are you left dissatisfy and incredulous since consciousness can easily be verified to exist, for the same reason that one might not like having the magic trick explained to you? That you'd rather be mystified?

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Kylie wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:17 pm
Wootah wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:39 pm Does consciousness exist?

Research links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscious ... sciousness.

https://www.google.com/search?q=does+co ... nt=gws-wiz

What do you think?
I think the first step in discussing whether something exists is to define specifically what we are talking about.

So let's define "consciousness" to begin with, and once we are all sure we are talking about the same thing, we can continue.
Consciousness is that thing that has us making sure we're all talking about the same thing.
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Bust Nak wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:02 amReal magic refers to the magic that's not real. While the magic that is real, that can actually be done, is not real magic?
That hadn't occurred to me. That's funny.

It reminds me of the quip I heard from Tim Minchin (whether it's his originally or not):
What do you call alternative medicine that's been shown to work? Medicine.
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Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:23 pm
Kylie wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:17 pm
Wootah wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:39 pm Does consciousness exist?

Research links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscious ... sciousness.

https://www.google.com/search?q=does+co ... nt=gws-wiz

What do you think?
I think the first step in discussing whether something exists is to define specifically what we are talking about.

So let's define "consciousness" to begin with, and once we are all sure we are talking about the same thing, we can continue.
Go for it.
I think you should be the one to provide a definition, since it is your thread.

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[Replying to Kylie in post #9]

the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings.
"she failed to regain consciousness and died two days later"
Similar:
awareness
wakefulness
alertness
responsiveness
sentience
Opposite:
unconsciousness
2.
a person's awareness or perception of something
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