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#2 Jesus is God

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John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer:
‘Very truly I tell you, the Son can
do nothing by himself; he can
do only what he sees his Father
doing, because whatever the
Father does the Son also does.
Jesus claims whatever the Father does the Son also does. That is a claim of equality. Also if the Father can do things the Son cannot do then Jesus is a liar here.

Can Jesus do everything the Father can do?
John 5:22-23

22 Moreover, the Father judges
no one, but has entrusted all
judgment to the Son, 23 that all
may honour the Son just as they
honour the Father. Whoever does
not honour the Son does not
honour the Father, who sent him.
I believe in the Shema and honour no one more than God. But now i must honour the Son in order to be honouring God. Also how can Jesus correctly judge everything unless he is omniscient?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:16 pm ...Also how can Jesus correctly judge everything unless he is omniscient?
Yes, if God tells Him all necessary information. Normal people had the right to judge, even though they are not omniscient, why would Jesus be less than normal people?

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Wootah wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:16 pm "the Son can do nothing by himself;"

That is a claim of equality.
It doesn't sound like one to me.


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[Replying to Tcg in post #3]

If he did something by himself and all that the father does as well then the son would be greater.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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