Ancient morality

[Willum]

Transponder and the nice centurion felt it necessary to pollute the original topic,
So here it is, reposted, hopefully they will carry on on that one, and the rest of us can discuss the subject.

Please note, challenging assumptions is one thing, destroying a topic because of your own personal ignorance, is rude, and not at all nice.

The Ancient Greeks recognized the immorality of Zeus; who sent floods, plagues, enacted cruel transformations, etc., and the Greeks responded by labeling Zeus and the other gods immoral.
They further responded by creating a code of morality for people that did not involve deities.

The Greeks saw their gods without morals, and so created their own.

Whereas the Ancient Hebrew and modern day Judaists and Christians see identical or similar acts by their god, and rather then decry these acts as malevolent, defend them as being benevolent.

For debate: The Ancient Greeks were more mature and moral than modern Judaists and Christians.

[Willum]

[Replying to The Nice Centurion in post #10]

I did not acknowledge your authority to dismiss what was provided, and have seen nothing worthwhile from you countering what I provided.

You lose.

[otseng]

[Replying to The Nice Centurion in post #4]

As mentioned, you are not an authority to dismiss premises based on your hubris, AND I don’t recall you providing evidence to the contrary.

I do recall predicting you would invoke your ignorance as a reason to dismiss the topic, then state the few,of many references I provided would be insufficient for your lordship.
So…
I gave you a topic to deface all over and you come over to do this one too.
I guess your avoidance and terror of the subject is the reason.

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[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to The Nice Centurion in post #10]

I did not acknowledge your authority to dismiss what was provided, and have seen nothing worthwhile from you countering what I provided.

You lose.

If you want to know my reasons for doubting your speculations, I can elaborate.
Your topic arguments a lot of chliches and they do not become fact from claiming Julius Caesar was an ancient greek. His consort Cleopatra was greek, so perhaps you are confusing there.

I also see them as christian chliches, because the christian world had to deal somehow with the memory of greek polytheism.
I suspect christian churches found it easier attack greek gods indirectly by claiming even their believers declared them unjust!

[JehovahsWitness]

The Greeks saw their gods without morals...

Whereas the Ancient Hebrew and modern day Judaists and Christians see identical or similar acts by their god, and rather then decry these acts as malevolent, defend them as being benevolent.

I disagree, there is nothing ammoral or immoral about the God of the bible. His act are depicted as entirely just and good and never is YHWH depicted as engaging in malevolent acts.

To learn more please go to other posts related to ....

GOD, THE DIVINE NAME and ...THE DIVINE PERSONALITY

PSALM 103:8 - Young's Literal Translation

Merciful and gracious is Jehovah, Slow to anger, and abundant in mercy

[Willum]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #14]

You couldn't muster another opinion or perspective even if you wanted to.
That's brainwashing for you.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to Willum in post #16]

You couldn't muster another opinion or perspective even if you wanted to.

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[TRANSPONDER]

The Greeks saw their gods without morals...

Whereas the Ancient Hebrew and modern day Judaists and Christians see identical or similar acts by their god, and rather then decry these acts as malevolent, defend them as being benevolent.

I disagree, there is nothing ammoral or immoral about the God of the bible. His act are depicted as entirely just and good and never is YHWH depicted as engaging in malevolent acts.

PSALM 103:8 - Young's Literal Translation

Merciful and gracious is Jehovah, Slow to anger, and abundant in mercy

The acts of the god of the Bible in the OT are often vile, reprehensible and immoral by any morality that makes sense to us, and even God repented of doing the Flood and said that he would never do it again (leaving a Nuclear armageddon still an option, though) and the apologetic that he regretted having to do it but it was necessary won't wash (were anyone to try it) because he (being Unchanging) would do it again if needed regret it though he might. He said that he would Not do it again. It was wrong, overkill and unjustified, and he knew it, afterwards if not before (which not only means the act was immoral to God as much as to us, but to him as well. It also means the taie makes no sense, which is why it doesn't mean that atheists think God is immoral, but we think the Bible is not beleivable and the god depicted in it cannot logically be true.

The propaganda that says that God's acts are good and Just is just that - propaganda as dirty and deserving the bin as much as anything that came out of the state presses of a dictatorship.

[Diagoras]

I disagree, there is nothing ammoral or immoral about the God of the bible. His act are depicted as entirely just and good and never is YHWH depicted as engaging in malevolent acts.

I understood the Bible was believed (by Christians) to be God’s word, and not just a collection of stories, laws and histories from one Bronze Age tribe. So it seems a rather weak argument to suggest that such a book would be an objective source for God’s character.

[1213]

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You have simply said that the Greeks had more insight than you do,...

Please explain why do you think so?

[1213]

That is a darling christian view and is promoted in the HERCULES Kevin Sorbo series.

My idea comes from old books. But, if you think it is not correct, please tell, where would we get the right idea of the moral of Greek gods?

Why then gives it todays christians so many headaches to explain their gods crimes as perfectly moral.

What crimes?