What happened in the Tomb?

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What happened in the Tomb?

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This is a question for those who believe, if we take that as given.
Jesus was dead, his body utterly damaged.
This is conjecture but what processes could have occurred in that tomb from the moment the stone was rolled over blocking the entrance? Friday afternoon until Sunday morning huge events went on in the gloomy darkness. I imagine angels got very very busy. Repair or replacement work had to be done fast, as an earthly body was prepared.

I wonder if there have been any books, theories or explanations. We have a lot of facts and clues that need putting together. The body Jesus was seen in afterwards was not instantly recognisable as Him, until He spoke and confirmed it to those who saw Him - such as on the road to Emmaus. Mary didn't know Him until he spoke. This bears out that fact that our voices do not change even if we transform our physical appearance. A voice is unique. This has implications. No trace of him was found in there, his shroud was empty and neatly folded.

Did He descend to hell and up again? This was a metamorphosis such as happens to butterfly puppae. Inside that hard shell that seems dead, a beautiful new body is being constructed, from the old body.

So let's have a think, put forward your theories, based on what is known.

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Rose2020 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:45 pm This is a question for those who believe, if we take that as given.
Jesus was dead, his body utterly damaged.
This is conjecture but what processes could have occurred in that tomb from the moment the stone was rolled over blocking the entrance? Friday afternoon until Sunday morning huge events went on in the gloomy darkness.


"Human decomposition begins around four minutes after a person dies and follows four stages: autolysis, bloat, active decay, and skeletonization.

Stage One: Autolysis.... [24-72 hours after death — the internal organs decompose.]

The first stage of human decomposition is called autolysis, or self-digestion, and begins immediately after death. As soon as blood circulation and respiration stop, the body has no way of getting oxygen or removing wastes. Excess carbon dioxide causes an acidic environment, causing membranes in cells to rupture. The membranes release enzymes that begin eating the cells from the inside out.

Rigor mortis causes muscle stiffening. Small blisters filled with nutrient-rich fluid begin appearing on internal organs and the skin’s surface. The body will appear to have a sheen due to ruptured blisters, and the skin’s top layer will begin to loosen.



Stage Two: Bloat

Stage two of human decomposition consists of bloating to the body. Leaked enzymes from the first stage begin producing many gases. Due to the gases, the human body can double in size, giving it that bloated look.The sulfur-containing compounds that the bacteria release also cause skin discoloration. In addition, insect activity can be present.

The microorganisms and bacteria produce extremely unpleasant odors called putrefaction. These odors often alert others that a person has died, and can linger long after a body has been removed.


Stage Three: Active Decay

Fluids released through orifices indicate the beginning of active decay. Organs, muscles, and skin become liquefied. When all of the body’s soft tissue decomposes, hair, bones, cartilage, and other byproducts of decay remain. The cadaver loses the most mass during this stage.



Stage Four: Skeletonization

Because the skeleton has a decomposition rate based on the loss of organic (collagen) and inorganic components, there is no set timeframe when skeletonization occurs.



Body Decomposition Timeline


24-72 hours after death — the internal organs decompose.

3-5 days after death — the body starts to bloat and blood-containing foam leaks from the mouth and nose.

8-10 days after death — the body turns from green to red as the blood decomposes and the organs in the abdomen accumulate gas.

Several weeks after death — nails and teeth fall out.

1 month after death — the body starts to liquify.
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[Replying to Miles in post #2]

Which makes it such a miracle.

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Rose2020 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:45 pm
So let's have a think, put forward your theories, based on what is known.
That's a rather problematic challenge. Unless I am mistaken, nothing is known about what happened after the stone was rolled in front of the entrance to the tomb. Given that, theories aren't really possible. Speculation is, but I'm not sure that is terribly helpful.


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Rose2020 wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:57 am [Replying to Miles in post #2]

Which makes it such a miracle.
Are you saying the resurrection of Jesus involved his actual physical body? I ask because most Christians believe the resurrection was the restoration to life of a transformed body powered by spirit, not a restoration of the flesh.

"Josephus tells of the three main Jewish sects of the 1st century AD, that the Sadducees held that both soul and body perished at death; the Essenes that the soul was immortal but the flesh was not; and the Pharisees that the soul was immortal and that the body would be resurrected to house it.[10] Of these three positions, Jesus and the early Christians appear to have been closest to that of the Pharisees.[11] Steve Mason notes that for the Pharisees, "the new body is a special, holy body," which is different from the old body, "a view shared to some extent by the ex-Pharisee Paul (1. Cor. 15:35ff)."
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And because it wasn't the actual physical body that survived it wasn't important that decomposition had already begun.

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[Replying to Miles in post #5]

Jesus appeared physically to the disciples and ate and drank with them. He cooked breakfast for disciples who were fishing. Thomas doubted, so was invited to touch His scars. Hundreds saw Him. He was not a ghostly spirit. On the road to Emmaus He was flesh and blood, who ate with the two who invited Him into their home.

He was and is real.

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Rose2020 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:45 pm..a beautiful new body is being constructed, from the old body.
God* did not construct a new body for Jesus from the old one as the old body was offered as a sacrifice for mankind. Taking that body back would have rendered the ransom null and void. Jesus was not resurrected as a human being for the same reason.

Jesus was resurrected by God not the angels. There is absolutely no reason to believe it would take the Almighty 3 days to create a body, after all when Jesus himself resurrected his friend Lazarus the account didnt say he was laboring four days over the task.

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #7]

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Then who was it on the road to Emmaus, who was it Doubting Thomas touched and who that ate with the disciples? He even told them he was no ghost.
I believe he clearly did have a new body until he ascended to heaven.

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Rose2020 wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:56 am [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #7]

Then who was it on the road to Emmaus, who was it Doubting Thomas touched and who that ate with the disciples?
Why are you asking me these questions? Did I say Jesus wasn't resurrected or that he didn't appear in a new body?

(Maybe it would be an idea to re-read my post)

Rose2020 wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:56 amHe even told them he was no ghost.
Yes because ghosts do not exist.

Rose2020 wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:56 amI believe he clearly did have a new body until he ascended to heaven.
He evidently had several since even after seeing the resurrected Christ for the first time he STILL subsequently appeared different.
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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #9]

My apologies, I did need to read your reply again
So He had possibly several new bodies. This is indicated as He was not recognized until He spoke and identified himself.

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