Okay, Let's Cut To The Chase!

[POI]

Dear Christians of all flavor(s),

I trust it is no surprise there exists a populous here, which lay claim to 'atheism', 'deism', or maybe other... In a nutshell, for me, this ultimately means I do not believe any such claimed Christian God exists - trying though as I might.... Which-is-to-mean, I was raised in a Christian house hold. However, after much study, I cannot get myself to belief such a claimed agent actually exists. Chalk it up, ultimately, to the topic of 'divine hiddenness' I guess...?

It is also evident there exists devout 'Christians' in this arena, of all flavors, who may feel they are 'fighting the good fight'; by defending their belief(s)/faith/rationale in the assertion of the existence to the "Christian God".

That being said, I am laying down the gauntlet, so-to-speak... Some here, as well as outside of here, are as sure as anything, that not only does God exist, but the Christian God! Well, I politely disagree. Meaning, I don't believe the "Christian based" assertion/claim.

I can't imagine this request will be anything new. Nor, can I imagine that I will encounter any new sort of enlightenment. But, being this is a rather large and important topic; I will continue to search, optimistically, that there exists some sort of 'concrete evidence(s)' to demonstrate that not only a God exists ---> but also the Christian God.

For Debate:

Please demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?

[TRANSPONDER]

Yes. Our pal wannabe rather pulls a dubious link between Judaism and Christianity. But that was never going to work, was is it? We all know that Christianity isn't Judaism - ask any Jew.

[TRANSPONDER]

Yes. Our pal wannabe rather pulls a dubious link between Judaism and Christianity. But that was never going to work, was is it? We all know that Christianity isn't Judaism - ask any Jew.

[Wootah]

[Replying to Tcg in post #50]

Pretty sure I am right on this one.

Maybe go speak to the many Jews converting today. They all feel more Jewish not less.

Don't just rely on your desire to win on a debating forum.

I know from experience talking to Jewish converts.

https://www.oneforisrael.org/about/

I also know they will reply to your emails.

[Tcg]

Don't just rely on your desire to win on a debating forum.

There is no winning on debate forums. There is presenting evidence which is what I've done. Evidence you've failed to address.


Tcg

[Tcg]

Yes. Our pal wannabe rather pulls a dubious link between Judaism and Christianity. But that was never going to work, was is it? We all know that Christianity isn't Judaism - ask any Jew.

Yeah, but do you ask them on Saturday or Sunday? Is it work to answer a question on the Sabbath?


Tcg

[wannabe]

No one can prove God, only God can do that and he sometimes does.

Sometimes? With so much riding on it, you would expect that God would prove himself always. What's with the picking and choosing? Looking forward to seeing an excuse plucked from the pages of "The Giant Omnibus of Christian Loopholes".

I would never presume to know God's preferences, in regards to how he makes his selections or interactions.
However, of the many testimonies that can be found, I do believe that some must be true.
You should not accept your own expectation of a God, as a complete Knowledge of God and his ways.
However you can expect what God has Promised.

[Tcg]

However, of the many testimonies that can be found, I do believe that some must be true.

Why do you believe some must be true? If it is true that some are false, which you seem to agree could be a possibility, what would cause one to assume that they aren't all false? How can we determine one from the other or is it pure guesswork?


Tcg

[brunumb]

No one can prove God, only God can do that and he sometimes does.

Sometimes? With so much riding on it, you would expect that God would prove himself always. What's with the picking and choosing? Looking forward to seeing an excuse plucked from the pages of "The Giant Omnibus of Christian Loopholes".

I would never presume to know God's preferences, in regards to how he makes his selections or interactions.
However, of the many testimonies that can be found, I do believe that some must be true.
You should not accept your own expectation of a God, as a complete Knowledge of God and his ways.
However you can expect what God has Promised.

Meanwhile, those who your God ignores and fail to get proof from him are damned for eternity. God's so-called preferences have serious consequences. I guess the omnipotent one is not really all-loving then is he.

[Wootah]

[Replying to Tcg in post #54]

Well, cut to the chase, send that email and find out. My words don't matter to you. Ask a Jewish Christian.

[wannabe]

No one can prove God, only God can do that and he sometimes does.

1. Based upon what criteria, does He or does He not do so?

2. Is it possible the recipient can completely miss the Christian God's given personal revelation or proof?

3. Why doesn't He just prove Himself to all?

4. How do you know the Christian God has actually proven Himself to anyone?

5. Is self delusion possible?

6. Has He proven Himself to you? If so, how do you know?

1. The criteria : would be that you give as much respect to gods existence as the person standing next to you, as a way for God to review your worth.

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/ ... uman-Heart

2. I have no idea.

3. Your missing the point of creation.

4. There are testimonies all over the internet.

5. Sure - why not ?

6. Here is one example:

When I was 17 I purchased a raffle ticket from my brother who was helping raise money for his school.
From the moment I'd purchased the ticket I immediately had the understanding that I was going to win the first prize. Also it came to no surprise when
I was informed I had won.

So I can't explain my 100% of assuredly of knowledge, but it made me believe in the possibility of prophecy and that miracles could be true.
Then many years later I found Jesus and it all just clicked.