How many religions came from America?

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How many religions came from America?

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Is it evidence for or against religions if they came from America?

For instance Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Are there more? Scientology. Any more?

I would argue it is evidence against the religion because America has quite literally nothing the to do with the Bible. What other evidence flows from a religion coming from America?
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kjw47 wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:14 pm
It doesnt matter where a religion began as long as Jesus is the head of it.
Why? What difference does it make that Jesus is the head of it, whatever that means?


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Tcg wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:44 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:14 pm
It doesnt matter where a religion began as long as Jesus is the head of it.
Why? What difference does it make that Jesus is the head of it, whatever that means?


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It matters greatly. Jesus started a single religion. 1 Cor 1:10 proves its a single religion, According to wikipedia there are about 34,000 of them claiming to be christian, 1 is in reality. The rest are misleading all listening to them to not enter Gods kingdom.

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Wootah wrote: Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:55 pm Is it evidence for or against religions if they came from America?

For instance Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Are there more? Scientology. Any more?

I would argue it is evidence against the religion because America has quite literally nothing the to do with the Bible. What other evidence flows from a religion coming from America?
Thousands Wootah.......... thousands, I expect.
The many hundreds or thousands of tribes that covered America, not mentioning the Mayans and earlier great religions that must have existed long before....... all had their own particular religions, beliefs and ways.

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[Replying to oldbadger in post #23]

Modern America.

Taking your view I generally believe we do have animist roots and then the number of gods and spirits could be more than that. If every tree and rock has a god behind it.

I am more interested in the modern JW, Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, Prosperity Gospel - any others?
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Wootah wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:07 pm
Modern America.

Taking your view I generally believe we do have animist roots and then the number of gods and spirits could be more than that. If every tree and rock has a god behind it.

I am more interested in the modern JW, Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, Prosperity Gospel - any others?
Fair enough........ and 'Yes', one other religion that I can think of:-

After the Bahai leader's visit to the US in the 1920's (Abdul Baha?) The Bahai religion took quite a leap in numbers. The cradle of Bahai, Iran, has about 300,000 Bahais but there are about 5-7 million around the world and many in the States.

I think Christianity has taken a surge within the US, Wootah. We do have Christians in the UK but the vast mass of UK citizens are either atheists, agnostics, small social Christians or 'don't-cares'. But we hear that about half of the population in the US is more strongly Christian.

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kjw47 wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:17 pm
Tcg wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:44 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:14 pm
It doesnt matter where a religion began as long as Jesus is the head of it.
Why? What difference does it make that Jesus is the head of it, whatever that means?


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It matters greatly. Jesus started a single religion. 1 Cor 1:10 proves its a single religion, According to wikipedia there are about 34,000 of them claiming to be christian, 1 is in reality. The rest are misleading all listening to them to not enter Gods kingdom.
No, kjw47...... Paul (and others) started that religion/church.
Jesus had nothing to do with that, other than the fact that Paul used a version of Jesus's name in its title.
Paul didn't give a fig for anything that Jesus did or said during his campaign and never wrote a sentence about any of it apart from referring to a last dinner and a crucifixion.

Review his letters and see for yourself.

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oldbadger wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:03 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:17 pm
Tcg wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:44 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:14 pm
It doesnt matter where a religion began as long as Jesus is the head of it.
Why? What difference does it make that Jesus is the head of it, whatever that means?


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It matters greatly. Jesus started a single religion. 1 Cor 1:10 proves its a single religion, According to wikipedia there are about 34,000 of them claiming to be christian, 1 is in reality. The rest are misleading all listening to them to not enter Gods kingdom.
No, kjw47...... Paul (and others) started that religion/church.
Jesus had nothing to do with that, other than the fact that Paul used a version of Jesus's name in its title.
Paul didn't give a fig for anything that Jesus did or said during his campaign and never wrote a sentence about any of it apart from referring to a last dinner and a crucifixion.

Review his letters and see for yourself.
Jesus commissioned Paul, so yes Paul did all Jesus taught. His teachings are in harmony with Jesus. Jesus told the Pharisees off in Matt 23, he told them they were cut off of being Gods chosen in verse 38, so yes a new religion began right then.

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kjw47 wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:35 pm Jesus commissioned Paul, so yes Paul did all Jesus taught. His teachings are in harmony with Jesus. Jesus told the Pharisees off in Matt 23, he told them they were cut off of being Gods chosen in verse 38, so yes a new religion began right then.
No, Jesus didn't commission Paul, nor did Paul have anything to tell about what Jesus said or did.

Search as you may you won't find a sentence in any of Paul's letters which refer to what Jesus said or did, apart from mentions of a last meal, crucifixion and a coming back to life. Nothing.

Paul didn't care about what Jesus said or he would have made mentions such as:- 'Remember what Jesus said.... he told us about........' etc....

Nope. Nothing.

But Peter did, he wrote about being with Jesus on the mountain........ see the difference?

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oldbadger wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:50 am
kjw47 wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:35 pm Jesus commissioned Paul, so yes Paul did all Jesus taught. His teachings are in harmony with Jesus. Jesus told the Pharisees off in Matt 23, he told them they were cut off of being Gods chosen in verse 38, so yes a new religion began right then.
No, Jesus didn't commission Paul, nor did Paul have anything to tell about what Jesus said or did.

Search as you may you won't find a sentence in any of Paul's letters which refer to what Jesus said or did, apart from mentions of a last meal, crucifixion and a coming back to life. Nothing.

Paul didn't care about what Jesus said or he would have made mentions such as:- 'Remember what Jesus said.... he told us about........' etc....

Nope. Nothing.

But Peter did, he wrote about being with Jesus on the mountain........ see the difference?

The fact God used Paul as a bible writer proves he taught truth. Paul went through hell standing up for Jesus.

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:29 pm
The fact God used Paul as a bible writer proves he taught truth. Paul went through hell standing up for Jesus.
Thanks for your reply....

Bible writer? What?
Paul wrote letters to folks, a few, but he was standing up for a church and he absolutely did not refer to anything that Jesus ever said/did.
The people who wrote depositions (later called gospels) about Jesus DID refer to what Jesus said and did; it just remains for readers to decide which of those depositions are true.

Paul's letters........ about churches.
Gospel writer's depositions........about Jesus.

A difference.

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