I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.
Jesus' words:
1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)
2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)
3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)
He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)
5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)
6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)
7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)
To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)
Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?
Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?
JESUS IS NOT GOD
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Post #571onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:49 pmNo, the fact of the matter is that mankind was all of plan A. The earth was being prepared FOR mankind. It took 5 billion years for everything to be just right for mankind.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:26 pmOf course they were mortals. Yes, we agree on that. But they were not created in the original creation:kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:30 pmThey most assuredly were mortals. There was a tree of life which God hid from the world after the rebellion. It probably regenerated mortals so they could live forever.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:34 pmMortals can enjoy the earth only until they die -- not forever.
Mortal humans were not even created in the original creation.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That is all that is described about the original creation of the heaven and earth.
Adam and Eve were not created until about 4.5 billion years later in the re-creation of the earth beginning in Genesis 1:3.
So mankind was Plan "B."
The original creation lasted 6 days. God rested on the 7th. Scientists have confirmed, their carbon dating method is full of ----.
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Post #572Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That is the original creation. Where does it state how long that creation required?
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Post #573myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:10 pmGenesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That is the original creation. Where does it state how long that creation required?
That was the first step of creation, and its heavens not heaven.
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Post #574That's not what is said at all!kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:31 pmThat was the first step of creation, and its heavens not heaven.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:10 pmGenesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That is the original creation. Where does it state how long that creation required?
God created the heaven and the earth.
Not: God created the first step of the heaven and the earth.
You're arguing with God again.
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Post #575myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:41 pmThat's not what is said at all!kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:31 pmThat was the first step of creation, and its heavens not heaven.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:10 pmGenesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That is the original creation. Where does it state how long that creation required?
God created the heaven and the earth.
Not: God created the first step of the heaven and the earth.
You're arguing with God again.
You just arent open to any agreement. The bible said it would be like that in these last days--todays world= 2Timothy 3-- Step by step God created everything.
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Post #576I agree with the scriptures.
Genesis 1
1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
So God created the heaven and the earth in verse 1.
And His creation was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep in verse 2.
Gee, is that an earth prepared and designed for mankind??
No, the Bible states that in the end times, knowledge shall increase:kjw47 wrote:You just arent open to any agreement. The bible said it would be like that in these last days--todays world= 2Timothy 3-- Step by step God created everything.
Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Isaiah 29:18
And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
The earth was not originally created for mankind. Mankind needs light, form, air, food, fresh water, etc.
Without form, void, and dark won't work for the existence of mankind.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #577myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:09 pmI agree with the scriptures.
Genesis 1
1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
So God created the heaven and the earth in verse 1.
And His creation was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep in verse 2.
Gee, is that an earth prepared and designed for mankind??
No, the Bible states that in the end times, knowledge shall increase:kjw47 wrote:You just arent open to any agreement. The bible said it would be like that in these last days--todays world= 2Timothy 3-- Step by step God created everything.
Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Isaiah 29:18
And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
The earth was not originally created for mankind. Mankind needs light, form, air, food, fresh water, etc.
Without form, void, and dark won't work for the existence of mankind.
Genesis shares-step by step creation process.
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Post #578No, Genesis describes a step-by-step re-creation of an earth that was originally created in Genesis 1:1 and described in Genesis 1:2 as formless, void, and dark !
Did the earth become without form, void, and dark?
Or did God create it that way in the beginning?
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Post #579myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:39 pmNo, Genesis describes a step-by-step re-creation of an earth that was originally created in Genesis 1:1 and described in Genesis 1:2 as formless, void, and dark !
Did the earth become without form, void, and dark?
Or did God create it that way in the beginning?
It was precise use of science and math and Gods power
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Post #580So God used "science and math and Gods power" to create an earth which was without form, void, and dark?kjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:07 pmIt was precise use of science and math and Gods powermyth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:39 pmNo, Genesis describes a step-by-step re-creation of an earth that was originally created in Genesis 1:1 and described in Genesis 1:2 as formless, void, and dark !
Did the earth become without form, void, and dark?
Or did God create it that way in the beginning?
Why would He create it unlivable for mankind?
Please explain.