Scientific thinking and common sense

[Eloi]

I have noticed that sometimes people with a scientific mind, people who have studied a lot and know a lot of information about different sciences, do not notice simple things that do not escape the attention of ordinary people, even if they have studied less or almost nothing.

For example, the fact that the animals that evolutionists call "lower" in the evolutionary scale still live alongside humans, and that others supposedly fitter, because they are located in a higher position in the evolutionary line of man, no longer exist.

Evolutionary theory holds that as animals progressed up the evolutionary scale, they became more capable of surviving. Why, then, is the “inferior” ape family still in existence, but not a single one of the presumed intermediate forms, which were supposed to be more advanced in evolution? Today we see chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans, but no “ape-men.” Does it seem likely that every one of the more recent and supposedly more advanced “links” between apelike creatures and modern man should have become extinct, but not the lower apes? https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101985017

To what extent do you think the "wisdom" of this system of things can cloud a person's mind?

[kjw47]

No its you twisting reality. Back in those days, even now most likely, slavery is a reality, accomplished by hard hearted people.

So was theft and murder, but that didn't stop Jehovah/Yahweh/God declaring THOU SHALT NOT when it comes to them and a bunch of other less serious transgressions. But thou shalt not own other human beings as property doesn't get a look in despite being a heinous practice. Thanks for nothing God!

Its not Gods fault. Mortals chose to know both good and bad, its their fault. Any who has love in their heart for God would never make another a slave. Because the bible says--If you dont love your brother who you can see then its impossible to love God whom you cannot see. People who owned slaves were far removed from God.

You missed the point. God said don't murder. God said don't steal. He even said don't worship other gods. He didn't say that we must not own others as property. That is a failing on his part, not on ours.

You cant reason Gods thoughts. Its senseless to try. God did say dont steal or murder. Did it stop it=No. So if he said no slavery, would it stop it= No.
You are missing the point-Mortals chose to know good and bad. God is letting it be known how bad bad can be so it can never happen again.

[brunumb]

No its you twisting reality. Back in those days, even now most likely, slavery is a reality, accomplished by hard hearted people.

So was theft and murder, but that didn't stop Jehovah/Yahweh/God declaring THOU SHALT NOT when it comes to them and a bunch of other less serious transgressions. But thou shalt not own other human beings as property doesn't get a look in despite being a heinous practice. Thanks for nothing God!

Its not Gods fault. Mortals chose to know both good and bad, its their fault. Any who has love in their heart for God would never make another a slave. Because the bible says--If you dont love your brother who you can see then its impossible to love God whom you cannot see. People who owned slaves were far removed from God.

You missed the point. God said don't murder. God said don't steal. He even said don't worship other gods. He didn't say that we must not own others as property. That is a failing on his part, not on ours.

You cant reason Gods thoughts. Its senseless to try. God did say dont steal or murder. Did it stop it=No. So if he said no slavery, would it stop it= No.

I can't reason God's thoughts and nor can you. Whatever you say is only your opinion of want god said or what God wants. or it is what your teachers have told you to think.

Nevertheless, whether or not people continue to do evil things is irrelevant. God specifically said not to do some things, but not others. Why tell people not to murder? Why not tell people that they shouldn't own others as property? If you simply rely on the argument that the Bible tells us to love everyone, you don't need any of the other injunctions. You could then condense the Bible to just one relevant page.

[kjw47]

No its you twisting reality. Back in those days, even now most likely, slavery is a reality, accomplished by hard hearted people.

So was theft and murder, but that didn't stop Jehovah/Yahweh/God declaring THOU SHALT NOT when it comes to them and a bunch of other less serious transgressions. But thou shalt not own other human beings as property doesn't get a look in despite being a heinous practice. Thanks for nothing God!

Its not Gods fault. Mortals chose to know both good and bad, its their fault. Any who has love in their heart for God would never make another a slave. Because the bible says--If you dont love your brother who you can see then its impossible to love God whom you cannot see. People who owned slaves were far removed from God.

You missed the point. God said don't murder. God said don't steal. He even said don't worship other gods. He didn't say that we must not own others as property. That is a failing on his part, not on ours.

You cant reason Gods thoughts. Its senseless to try. God did say dont steal or murder. Did it stop it=No. So if he said no slavery, would it stop it= No.

I can't reason God's thoughts and nor can you. Whatever you say is only your opinion of want god said or what God wants. or it is what your teachers have told you to think.

Nevertheless, whether or not people continue to do evil things is irrelevant. God specifically said not to do some things, but not others. Why tell people not to murder? Why not tell people that they shouldn't own others as property? If you simply rely on the argument that the Bible tells us to love everyone, you don't need any of the other injunctions. You could then condense the Bible to just one relevant page.

God wants mortals to experience bad as bad as it can get -, mortals asked for it. It will get much worse soon in this system before God steps in.

[brunumb]

You cant reason Gods thoughts. Its senseless to try.

God wants mortals to experience bad as bad as it can get -, mortals asked for it. It will get much worse soon in this system before God steps in.

We can't reason God's thoughts but we can tell that he wants us to experience bad as bad as it can get. Yeah, right. It appears that what you are telling us is that he doesn't really love us, because that is absolutely contrary to any notion of deep love.

[kjw47]

You cant reason Gods thoughts. Its senseless to try.

God wants mortals to experience bad as bad as it can get -, mortals asked for it. It will get much worse soon in this system before God steps in.

We can't reason God's thoughts but we can tell that he wants us to experience bad as bad as it can get. Yeah, right. It appears that what you are telling us is that he doesn't really love us, because that is absolutely contrary to any notion of deep love.

He wants all creation to see that he was 100% correct by creating mortals to know only good. That knowing bad sucks for mortals. And they are finding out that bad does suck. Mortals chose it by kicking God in the teeth and believing the devils lie over God. The devil did 0 for Adam and Eve. God gave them Eternal life, knowing only good, never sick, not aging like now, never without. He asked 1 thing in return for all that-Do not eat of that tree. Then with that free will could choose to obey God.

[Clownboat]

Ok if its so easy to understand please explain the prophecy from Daniel that points to Revelation 6--And please share with us all --who or what is the 7 headed beast with 10 horns and the 2 horned beast of Revelation 13.
Yes Jesuswas Jewish, but then he told them off at Matt 23 and in verse38 assured them they were cut off of being Gods chosen, unless they did verse 39, they have outright refused for over 1950 years. The pharisees saw the new religion begin-Acts 24:5--The renting of the banner in two at the moment Jesus died signified they were cut off of being Gods chosen.

It being easy to understand does not mean there are not absurdities.
So you point to the ramblings of a mad man and ask me if I understand it. Few agree on the meanings in Revelations, but many have opinions.

Seems I understand it just fine. It's only when readers interject their own opinions that it becomes even more ridiculous. "He was seeing helicopters, jets and tanks!"

Again, Jesus was a Jew and he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. He fulfilled the Jewish religion. Paul created Christianity and Jesus would roll in his grave if he knew what Paul did IMO. With Jesus, the kingdom was within us. With Paul, its all about blood and needing teachers.

Jesus: Matthew 6:14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you.
Paul: Eph 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of grace.

Need another example?:
Jesus: Matthew 12:37 for by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned.
Paul: Romans 5:9 Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

How about needing teachers?
Paul: 1 Cor 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers
Paul: 1 Timothy 1:11 For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher.
Jesus: Matthew 23:8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren.

Jesus was a Jew, Paul created Judaism light known as Christianity for the Gentiles it seems.

[Clownboat]

You cant reason Gods thoughts. Its senseless to try.

God wants mortals to experience bad as bad as it can get -, mortals asked for it. It will get much worse soon in this system before God steps in.

We can't reason God's thoughts but we can tell that he wants us to experience bad as bad as it can get. Yeah, right. It appears that what you are telling us is that he doesn't really love us, because that is absolutely contrary to any notion of deep love.

He wants all creation to see that he was 100% correct by creating mortals to know only good. That knowing bad sucks for mortals. And they are finding out that bad does suck. Mortals chose it by kicking God in the teeth and believing the devils lie over God. The devil did 0 for Adam and Eve. God gave them Eternal life, knowing only good, never sick, not aging like now, never without. He asked 1 thing in return for all that-Do not eat of that tree. Then with that free will could choose to obey God.

To discuss the story about a garden of eden as a real thing would be do give it credit it doesn't deserve. Much like discussing a flat earth you would surely agree.
The rest of what you posted seems to be your take on the story we can read about in a religious promotional book called the Bible while in a thread about scientific thinking and common sense.

Ironically, you responded to this: "We can't reason God's thoughts" - by pretending to reason about the said god's thoughts.
"He wants all creation to see..."

[kjw47]

Ok if its so easy to understand please explain the prophecy from Daniel that points to Revelation 6--And please share with us all --who or what is the 7 headed beast with 10 horns and the 2 horned beast of Revelation 13.
Yes Jesuswas Jewish, but then he told them off at Matt 23 and in verse38 assured them they were cut off of being Gods chosen, unless they did verse 39, they have outright refused for over 1950 years. The pharisees saw the new religion begin-Acts 24:5--The renting of the banner in two at the moment Jesus died signified they were cut off of being Gods chosen.

It being easy to understand does not mean there are not absurdities.
So you point to the ramblings of a mad man and ask me if I understand it. Few agree on the meanings in Revelations, but many have opinions.

Seems I understand it just fine. It's only when readers interject their own opinions that it becomes even more ridiculous. "He was seeing helicopters, jets and tanks!"

Again, Jesus was a Jew and he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. He fulfilled the Jewish religion. Paul created Christianity and Jesus would roll in his grave if he knew what Paul did IMO. With Jesus, the kingdom was within us. With Paul, its all about blood and needing teachers.

Jesus: Matthew 6:14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you.
Paul: Eph 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of grace.

Need another example?:
Jesus: Matthew 12:37 for by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned.
Paul: Romans 5:9 Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

How about needing teachers?
Paul: 1 Cor 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers
Paul: 1 Timothy 1:11 For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher.
Jesus: Matthew 23:8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren.

Jesus was a Jew, Paul created Judaism light known as Christianity for the Gentiles it seems.

Acts24:5 says it was a sect of the Nazarene=Jesus' religion. One thing for sure, After Jesus told the Israelite spiritual teachers off at Matt 23, he sure wouldnt want his to continue in an apostocised religion, so to begin with just gathered in homes, Paul set up congregations after.
Only the real religion that has Jesus as its head can understand revelation. I see you cant understand it calling John a madman, but the reality of it makes perfect sense.

[kjw47]

You cant reason Gods thoughts. Its senseless to try.

God wants mortals to experience bad as bad as it can get -, mortals asked for it. It will get much worse soon in this system before God steps in.

We can't reason God's thoughts but we can tell that he wants us to experience bad as bad as it can get. Yeah, right. It appears that what you are telling us is that he doesn't really love us, because that is absolutely contrary to any notion of deep love.

He wants all creation to see that he was 100% correct by creating mortals to know only good. That knowing bad sucks for mortals. And they are finding out that bad does suck. Mortals chose it by kicking God in the teeth and believing the devils lie over God. The devil did 0 for Adam and Eve. God gave them Eternal life, knowing only good, never sick, not aging like now, never without. He asked 1 thing in return for all that-Do not eat of that tree. Then with that free will could choose to obey God.

To discuss the story about a garden of eden as a real thing would be do give it credit it doesn't deserve. Much like discussing a flat earth you would surely agree.
The rest of what you posted seems to be your take on the story we can read about in a religious promotional book called the Bible while in a thread about scientific thinking and common sense.

Ironically, you responded to this: "We can't reason God's thoughts" - by pretending to reason about the said god's thoughts.
"He wants all creation to see..."

Any who knows what the bible teaches knows my post is accurate.

[Clownboat]

Ok if its so easy to understand please explain the prophecy from Daniel that points to Revelation 6--And please share with us all --who or what is the 7 headed beast with 10 horns and the 2 horned beast of Revelation 13.
Yes Jesuswas Jewish, but then he told them off at Matt 23 and in verse38 assured them they were cut off of being Gods chosen, unless they did verse 39, they have outright refused for over 1950 years. The pharisees saw the new religion begin-Acts 24:5--The renting of the banner in two at the moment Jesus died signified they were cut off of being Gods chosen.

It being easy to understand does not mean there are not absurdities.
So you point to the ramblings of a mad man and ask me if I understand it. Few agree on the meanings in Revelations, but many have opinions.

Seems I understand it just fine. It's only when readers interject their own opinions that it becomes even more ridiculous. "He was seeing helicopters, jets and tanks!"

Again, Jesus was a Jew and he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. He fulfilled the Jewish religion. Paul created Christianity and Jesus would roll in his grave if he knew what Paul did IMO. With Jesus, the kingdom was within us. With Paul, its all about blood and needing teachers.

Jesus: Matthew 6:14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you.
Paul: Eph 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of grace.

Need another example?:
Jesus: Matthew 12:37 for by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned.
Paul: Romans 5:9 Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

How about needing teachers?
Paul: 1 Cor 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers
Paul: 1 Timothy 1:11 For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher.
Jesus: Matthew 23:8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren.

Jesus was a Jew, Paul created Judaism light known as Christianity for the Gentiles it seems.

Acts24:5 says it was a sect of the Nazarene=Jesus' religion. One thing for sure, After Jesus told the Israelite spiritual teachers off at Matt 23, he sure wouldnt want his to continue in an apostocised religion, so to begin with just gathered in homes, Paul set up congregations after.
Only the real religion that has Jesus as its head can understand revelation. I see you cant understand it calling John a madman, but the reality of it makes perfect sense.

You don't know how debate works do you?

Your preaching is not appreciated and is against forum rules. If you cannot abide by the rules, the forum has a section called Holy Huddle that would be more appropriate.

I was a born again, drunk in the holy ghost missionary of 2 decades. Your slander falls on deaf ears and betrays any god helping you post.

Be well.