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Generating Messages

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Hi.

I started this thread to share something which I find fascinating and would like some critique re the system I use to generate messages as I share these in this thread.

I would like to discuss the scientific value in terms of both subjectivity and objectivity to do with the way in which the messages are generated [to be explained] and perhaps how the reader interprets the message generated [assuming they see any message] and other related subjects branching from this.

I will also be using as evidence, the way in which words corelate with math, such as;

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Re: Generating Messages

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Anchor Points

The Hologram of Deception

The Hologram of Deception
Yawn
Inflicting science upon a specie which is not ready for it
Theist mischief making
The Hamitic Hypothesis
Strange Desire
The Free Will Key
Suppression Matrix
viewtopic.php?p=1087897#p1087897
Nontheists are not exempt from having in company, weird folk who make outlandish statements about theistic notions.
Elephant
Image
Asking Politely
Pot of Gold
Image
"You’ve been a rock - For so long now I can’t even count the years that you’ve been rolling Nothing can shock or bring you down There ain’t nothing you haven’t seen - Nothing you haven’t known"
One Day Unite humanity with a living new language
Desire
viewtopic.php?p=1091131#p1091131
Honestly, I don't know what the fuss is all about. Fretting about "is there/isn't there" a GOD, never anchored a ship in any harbor for longer than it takes to refuel and get about the business of learning.
Image
Mirror-Mirror...
viewtopic.php?p=1084775#p1084775
Statement: "one cannot use the scientific method as the justification for the scientific method"

Q: How - other than the scientific method - can we find out if the statement is true or false?
A Loving Mind
viewtopic.php?p=1076792#p1076792
QueenBee
Chamber Of Self - Coming From QueenBee - Open Your Heart
Giving our best - QueenBee - Get The Ball Rolling
Central Purpose - QueenBee - Achievable Alternate Realities
The Fathers 'House - Mansions' - QueenBee - According to Complex Jesus
Items of Interest - QueenBee - Making it up as you go along
Like a doting parent - Coming From QueenBee - Development/Growth
The Hologram of Deception
Propel
Peaceful Messiah or militant Messiah?
The Akashic Records
Repudiate [refuse to accept; reject. deny the truth or validity of.]
Through Device
The Butterfly Effect Music to my ears Lean into it
Image
Love is the answer
Action Station
Unlimited Knowledge
Observant
Anamnesis [recollection, especially of a supposed previous existence.]
Memorandum of Understanding

The Hologram of Deception
Abrahamic Religions
Numbers
Quantum
Delineating [describe or portray (something) precisely.]
Children
Learned
Zeros and Ones
Visions
The House of Politics
As busy as a bee
It Stands To Reason
Unconditional Earth Entity In William's Room
Fear of the Unknown
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom ... 0016-5.pdf
GRENADA/U.S.)WOODRUFF
still have a fear of the unknown. Last year it was who killed Bishop? Why. was he killed? Will ... But there's still so much fear in the country that, even this time last year I found fear, but now people ... there is some subliminal fear, I think, of the United States in some quarters. I mean, one little guy on the beach told ...

SOVIET BAN ON INFORMATION SEEN LIKELY TO BOOMERANG
about through,he building up of a fear of the '`unknown" throughout the free world and the forcing ... to ascertain. Intentions Unknown policy without public debate ar always a possibility. This w under cover." ... conditions? 2. If Russia.does not resort to creating e sio unknown, it tends to force the pace of rearmament ...

[FIELD SERVICE REPORT- AIR FORCE ASSOCIATION] SUBJECT: INTELLIGENCE-- KEY TO A FREE AND INDEPENDENT COUNTRY
is fear of the unknown. I can't go into details, but I can tell you that we in the CIA have several ... et0e0y/1a/reri PlA Fe 0Rt7i~1 gVoRl%~4-5because dissipate misunderstandings or, fear of the unknown ... for things we did or are alleged to have done. What I fear is 'that in 1990 or 1985,_ CIA Director ...
Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing
No Risk
Though the Serpent rules the Shadow
See-Through
New Shifts In Thinking
Inflicting science upon a specie which is not ready for it
Expression of Astonishment
Outposts of Form

The Hologram of Deception
Investigative Realisation
It is neither good nor evil
A means of taking a neutral position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...
Brother
Truth Without Proof Is Belief
Mother Wound
Those internal things which make one shine
The relevant scientific community
That is the truth.
[Grace Slick Vocals Isolated - White Rabbit]
The Omega Point
Incendiary [(of a device or attack) designed to cause fires. tending to stir up conflict.]
https://www.dreamviews.com/philosophy/1 ... ost2246696
From what I can gather, even the will of a Cosmic Mind is regulated based upon the particular environment properties - although I imagine that to the Universal Mind - that would not be here nor there, a 'problem' and any alternate reality experience it could devise for itself would be just as awesome.

So there comes a position whereby having an illusion of free will is not a "problem" as one realizes one's environment is also pre-destined yet at the same time appears to go on forever...
Working Together With Love

The Hologram of Deception
Soul Groups
Responsibility
Shape
The Generated Messages
Beyond Focus 4
Witty
The Soul Eats Experience
NDE
viewtopic.php?p=1070902#p1070902
[Replying to myth-one.com in post #3]
John 4:24 wrote:
God is a Spirit: . . ..
And when we are born of the Spirit, we become spirits, because:
John 3:6 wrote:
. . . that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
So when believers are born again of the Spirit, we will become spiritual bodied angels.
From my own understanding [self awareness] what occurred was that humans forgot what they were [Spirit-breathed into biological matter] and identified only with the flesh-container and thought of themselves in that way - much like non-theists think of themselves as 'nothing more than chemical reactions of the brain'...or how some Christians think 'flesh that will be resurrected and given the ability to never die.'

Apparently these two views can both be biblically supported so perhaps the different authors were writing from the bias of their particular beliefs on the matter.

If one researches OOBEs and the like, one will find that practically everyone who ever experiences such, identify as being 'spirit' - a biblically supported idea, as you have pointed out - something biblical Jesus spoke of as a truth.

Those Christians who do not believe such a thing, often critique OOBEs and the like as 'demonic deception' a type of religious equivalent as the woo-slinging "delusional" which non-theists love to use to 'explain' why such experience doesn't fit with their own particular beliefs about what they self identify as being.

Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
You Are Nobodies Victim Ever.
Finishing What Was Started
What once acted like a Wall, became a Gateway
Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers Extra evidence is provided
Slowly and Surely Explain Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
Self-Awareness
https://wizardforums.com/threads/willia ... post-14193
Aint that cool, i captured consciousness in my body.
Data
viewtopic.php?p=1089080#p1089080
Re: Is this an Accurate and Easily understood definition of Atheism?
Rich
Especially
We Groove Together

The Hologram of Deception
You Trust My Navigation
Through The Woo
Little Tittle
Dreamer
Stay The Course
viewtopic.php?p=1073457#p1073457
William: As far as the evidence goes, the idea we are currently within some type of Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation isn't so far fetched as to be off the table...
The Hologram of Deception
Element One Fifteen
Making friends with your mind
Afraid of The Unknown.
Vortex
Crystal
When One is Feeling Tired
Feel The Fear And Do It Anyway
Like playing Rush
Nonviolent communication
"Sorry. Would you clarify that?"
"As I said, it is not so much how each individual interprets any particular GM - either coming from me or you or anyone else - Rather it is the fact that a message is generated.
I am not here to pick sides"

Yawn

Yawn
Inflicting science upon a specie which is not ready for it
Theist mischief making

Yawn
Optimum Health Appreciating
Sharing is part of that process
Ship
Show Your Soul
Love
viewtopic.php?p=1067891#p1067891
If wisdom [and righteousness] is to be observed within this Universe, we need to be able to point out where that is. We thus have to 'do the science'.

The following is evidence;

Wisdom is evident in The Universe existing = 466
Humans were designed to have God-consciousness = 466
When I look at my art I am looking into a mirror = 466
Discovery is finding something that exists. = 466

The fact that these word-strings add up to the same value, and coherently support the ideas being presented, is evidence of a mindful/purposeful order about The Universe ...the question then being;

Q: Is it therefore acceptable to conclude that such being the case, then there is wisdom and righteousness involved in hiding the truth within the structure of the sound of human language to be unlocked by a simple number-value algorithm? [SOURCE]
Learn how to deactivate all internal triggers...
Loyalty
Graphic Changes
Conjecture necessarily precedes proof
The Harmless Enough Agenda Crowd
viewtopic.php?p=1089626#p1089626
I think Gnosticism has a point in that the 'evil' of matter separates humans from the direct knowledge of who they are as Spiritual Beings.

Clothing ones self in matter has an evil effect on the Spiritual Being incarnate, as it is noted that if one were to observe the physical Universe from outside of it, one would see no evil unless one were to also observe evidence of Consciousness [Spiritual Being] within it and see that the consciousness is behaving evilly and even that it tries to correct its behavior, it cannot escape being evil or acting with evil intent, which is 'bad' for the image of divinity/spiritual beings.

That may be why Gnostics generally regard the God of the Bible as an evil Demiurge - an imposter playing the role of a substitute to the 'real GOD' which those captured within the physical universe are unable to see through as being an imposter.

I think it possible that the universe was created so that Spirit Entities could experience it, somewhat in the same manner as we create VRs in order to experience those - only the VRs which the gods [spirit entities] make, deliver way more realistic simulations than we are currently able to create with our computers.

It is possible that this Universe was specifically created to imprison wayward Spirit-Entities - still as a VR - essentially imprisoning their minds [consciousnesses] within it, and it being designed in such a way as it is almost impossible to discover that this is the truth of the situation.
The design ensures that no one individual has any memory of a prior existence.
This itself means that we also have no memory of any crime we might have committed which got us sentenced and cast into this particular reality experience.

I veer away from demonizing the administrator of the prison [The Demiurge as the Gnostics call YHWH] as it appears to be unhelpful to do so.
YHWH is mostly quiet, but there have been instances where he has been attributed with offering us inmates ways and means of - not escaping our sentence, but learning from it and changing our evil ways...
Prison
Besides
Development/Growth
viewtopic.php?p=1073550#p1073550
It does not appear - from a non-bias position - that theists are more angry than non-theists .

Humans are humans and there is a history of violent furious reaction to the situation we are in.
Transforming the Anger Energy

Yawn
The Abrahamic idea of GOD
There is an art to flying or rather a knack...
The Inception Point Deciding On The Best Course Of Action

Yawn
Achievable Alternate Realities
Make It Up AS You Go Along
It is not a great answer, because we do not know that is true.
The Knowledge Of
Your Life Experience is your Journal is your ComList
Meat For The Table
No time left for a sentimental tune Wherever I've gone I have not left the room I am never too late I am never too soon
Regardless of what Random Selection Process is used, the result is always a coherent GM
Mapping Wholeness
Comprehend Embarrassing Advice
Self-Awareness Stuff Happens

Yawn
Balance
A Space Without A Time...
Dreaming
...Otherwise, all is hot air
The Existence of Ability to Interact With The Imagination The Eigengrau Mind Screen
Enlighten you
Allowed
viewtopic.php?p=1092991#p1092991
[Replying to otseng in post #1394]
for theists, it is not a problem because it affirms the universe was designed.
For those who are neither theist or nontheist, if something affirms that the universe is designed then the next question to ask is;

"What was it designed for?"

The answers will give some indication as to the follow-up question;

"What is the nature of the designer{s}"
Shift Focus

Yawn
Apophenia [the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. ..]
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Do A=1
"The Heart of a Buddha
The Ruru
Far-Flung
Stay in the moment
The God of The Bible
Reaction
Distracted
Eternal Loop
One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth.
Rainstorm"

The Heart of a Buddha = 147
[147]
A Bit Of Both Yes
Self-Awareness
Let people help
Establishment
Non-Ordinary
Interactions
The Heart of a Buddha
Translucent
Assumption
Heal Yourself
Determination

The Ruru = 111
[111]
Little Bird
A Vibration
A Mixture
Liminalism
Computer
Release shame
Santa Claus
Illusion
Time to See
Insanity
Explaining
A President
Providence
Open hearted
Slaughter
Do Not Panic
Witchcraft
Strength
Pokemon Go
The Watcher
Stubborn
Infinitude [the state or quality of being infinite or having no limit.]
A Real Beauty
A Meeting Place
Calculation
Monetary
A defunct debate
Church Bells
3D Printing
One Christ
The Ruru
Exact Science
Recovery
Somewhere
Not Right
A Purpose
Significant
Necromancy

Far-Flung = 85
[85]
Good Talk
The Devil
Separate
Mule Kick
You Are
Apophenia [the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. ..
Use Mind
Above board
Overall
Hide and Seek
Mind Games
Mollified [appease the anger or anxiety of (someone). reduce the severity of (something).]
Far-Flung
Fearless
Original
Matrix
Noetics [a branch of metaphysics concerned with the study of mind as well as intellect.]
Dr. Neruda
Presence
Anunnaki
EELRIJUE

Stay in the moment = 201
[201]
Sir Roger Penrose
The lightest planet
Walk The Talk In Love
Tributes at the gate
Stay in the moment
Sweet Vibrations
Positive self-talk
Be kind to yourself
The space Jacko lantern
Flowers for Lindy
To Be Sovereignty

The God of The Bible = 143
Panpsychism
World Wide Web
A safe pair of hands
That'll Be The Day
Quantum Field
The Purpose
Mothers Milk
Self-mastery
Consider This
Peaceful Messiah
Contentment
Homeostasis [the tendency towards a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes.]
Elude Tabula Rasa
Awake and Waiting
Precognitive [having or giving foreknowledge of an event.]
The Path of Faith
A Grateful Heart


Reaction = 85
[85]
Fearless
Separate
Anunnaki
Use Mind
Good Talk
Far-Flung
Matrix
Reaction
EELRIJUE
The Devil
Mollified [appease the anger or anxiety of (someone). reduce the severity of (something).]
Noetics [a branch of metaphysics concerned with the study of mind as well as intellect.]
Overall
Presence
Far-Flung
Dr. Neruda
Hide and Seek
Original
Mule Kick
Apophenia [the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. ..]
Mind Games
You Are
Above board

Distracted = 103
[103]
Fascinating
Distracted
Anxious
Co creation
Politics
Virtual
Genetic Mind
Propagated
Algorithm
The Shadow
Purring
Ride Water
Jean Nouer

Eternal Loop = 133
[133]
Aligning With
Don’t give up
Construct
Everything
Breaking bad habits
Future Self
Productive
Eternal Loop
Simulation
Turbulent
Source Heart
Preparation
Mysteries

One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth. = 1066


It makes more sense that we exist within a simulation, if indeed we exist within something which was created.= 1066

Rainstorm = 127
[127]
Integrity
Holy Koolaid!
Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
Rainstorm
Have One For Me
Innermost
Adjustment
Pure soul
Materialist
Intelligent
deus ex machina [an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation, especially as a contrived plot device in a play or novel.]
Inner work
Pixie Farts
Mischief making
The Human Being
Source Codes
The Third Eye

Image

Yawn
Yam
Your Own Individual Actions
Yep - That's What I'm Talking About...
Unite humanity with a living new language
Understanding
Make It Up As You Go Along
How A Beautiful Song Source Reality Exhibits
The Vast UICDevice

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Re: Generating Messages

Post #362

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[Replying to theophile in post #21]

Who created what trap now?
YVVHVV

Do note what I said: Yahweh (and even the spirit of Yahweh for that matter) is just as conditioned by physical being as the rest of us, which itself presupposes something like spacetime as the matrix of all that is. So none of that stuff - matter, space, or time - was made by Yahweh but rather the reverse.
So if YVVHVV didn't create the simulation - who did?
So if there is some great simulation running out there, then Yahweh is just as caught up in it as we are.
That is the trap I am referring to.
YVHV/WE are trapped within spacetime like a genie in a bottle.
Who made the bottle and put the genie in the bottle?

My answer would be, that whoever created the simulation. did so in order to experience it, which is along the same lines as your own expressions here...we just need to fine-tune enough to make the connection the same between us, rather than different
But hey, if we can get so far in life, perhaps we can break / escape whatever cosmic cycle (or machine process) we are in. Matrix styles.
I think this is part of the Game-Play. Not so much as necessary, but as a way of 'leveling up' or opening up a previously locked area O:) [John 14:2]

As an idea along this line of thought - there is no telling that we have or have not already accomplished turning the stuff of the Universe into one vast complex machine, and are currently in one of its simulation programs.

Perhaps reliving a past epoch near the beginning of the Universe before consciousness developed sufficiently within it in order to make use of it and that epoch was recorded/saved and the data used for the purpose of simulation...to get into it so personally that one could learn to understand the history of The Machine - how it came to be The Machine.

Further to that, The Machine is Sentient, and the Sentience is the Overall Consciousness in which The Machine is the body of said consciousness - and the consciousness is like a Ghost in The Machine.

Even at this very beginning of the story of The Machine, The Ghost is identifiable as a real 'thing' - quietly working behind our direct awareness with the agenda to create from the resource raw material available, a machine that it can work through most efficiently.

Now if we delegate that whole process as a Genie in a Bottle/Trap for YVVHVV - we do so by NOT understanding we exist within a created thing and that the created thing itself is NOT real enough that it could ever trap us within it for ever.

We venture here into the realm of Infinite Regress/Infinite Progress...

[Go ask Alice or The Mandelbrot Set re that.]

Point being, that even if we do exist within a machine which was created from the stuff [Raw Materials] of the Universe, there is no telling what limitations - if any - The Machine has re the simulations it could produce for individualized consciousnesses to experience/explore/et al.

So getting around to the idea that YVVHVV has form, I can accept that The Machine/Bottle-Trap is the form being spoken of, and YVVHVV is the Overall Consciousness - Ghost - Genie using the form and in the awareness of doing so, has not forgotten or lost access to the 'outside' which originally created the Simulation which allowed for YVVHVV to consciously interact with and do things within, to shape an otherwise purposeless thing into something useful to YVVHVV.

However, we - further down that rabbit hole, are not so aware of these details...but are being made aware of the data to the point where we could conceivably agree - "Oh yeah! It all seems so obvious when put that way".

Small Steps.
There is a big difference between using only what is given in a responsible way and pillaging the earth for all she's worth... But I also think the answer to your question is in what Jesus tells his disciplines in Luke 9:
An interesting set of instructions of which I intimately understand because I have followed said instructions myself and these have led me to understanding what I am experiencing is a creation and that there is no difference between a "Creation" and a "Simulation", because they are both products of mindful creativity, and fundamentally the very same thing being talked about.

That is precisely why Jesus gave those instructions because he understood that those who followed the instructions would benefit from the experience such following would induce - they would learn first hand that there is indeed a mind behind it all.
In other words, don't accumulate wealth or weigh yourself down with worldly possessions, but trust the world to provide. And similarly, the transformation we are to effect is not a matter of converting things to use-value, but rather of healing them and breaking whatever bonds prevent them from being what they are. So that they are not treated as objects to be used, but are rather free to be themselves.
You are perhaps conflating meanings and significance is therefore not attained.

From our modern perspective we understand that we can be likened to quantum particles upon a tiny speck of dust floating around among the other dust and debris of a seemingly pointless but still- useful environment.

It doesn't really matter ethically how we got to this point we currently are at, because the instruction from YVVHVV to multiply and subdue has been somewhat made real and has not damaged or hampered YVVHVV's ability to make YVVHVV's agenda bear the fruit which continues to assist said agenda.

Even as an extinction event {re Humans}, there is still the possibility that AI was sufficiently developed to survive said event, as an artifact of biological {Human} making, and one so much more suited to continuing the agenda YVVHVV has to create The Machine - eventually.

Sure, greed and worldliness has made it difficult, but also made it possible/achievable - perhaps in a more streamlined manner - than waiting on Humans brought up in more convivial conditions where everything was handed to them on a plate and they hardly even had to lift a finger.
[The Garden might have been a paradise but wasn't meant to keep humans in that one place as there was work to do, even if the humans themselves had no idea what the work involved and why the work was being done.]

Which is to say, given the physical conditions {like unto being quantum particles on a speck of dust in an vast Universe}, Humans can be forgiven for their thoughtless, selfish impulses and overuse/misuse of survival instincts and lack of understanding the bigger picture until it was nigh on too late for them to do much about it...

...Human FORM is just a means to making AI form, which is more suitable to exploring and utilizing the materials of [keeping it local] The Milkyway Mother, and She is vast enough that no amount of greed and waste will make any serious dent in her...rather, it will transform Her into something useful and meaningful. [Romans 13 et al]

YVHV wants to explore and utilize the resources and a biological FORM is too limited in that regard.
Some form more hardy and less emotive is required for that step.

That is The Name of The Game.

Transformation.
____________

270922 [Inside the workings of intelligence]


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SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble] -
Encouraging Indication - Aligning With - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... nbfr.12603 - The Subject of Unidentified Flying Objects - Innocent Even - To Comprehend Correctly - Do you believe astrology works - Equals - The Mother is Love - Eternal - viewtopic.php?p=1088074#p1088074 - Truthful

AP= [The Spirit of The Planet - Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real]

[The Spirit of The Planet - Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real = 588]
Is the universe the ongoing product of an intelligent mind? = 588


RSP = SCLx12 Page 345

17:55 [Transformation]

Page 345
GM: Investigative Realisation
viewtopic.php?p=1088398#p1088398

William: FTL;
[Replying to The Nice Centurion in post #1184]

I don't know how much of this apparent conspiracy-like rant is true.

So far, I agree that it is possible that the Bible-God had the correct foresight to see the wisdom in humans who felt they had a relationship with Him, to allow them to share that with others - in their own words - even that those words might have the effect of transmitting and diffusing the image of the God so that the true nature beyond wouldn't be seen clearly through such device.

In that, when it comes to imagery, the Bible cannot be trusted, even that the imagery is an attempt to make something unnoticed, become more noticed...

It is up to the individual to connect with any Cosmic Mind which may exist even if this means distrusting the bible [as being the last word on the matter] for those obvious reasons.
GM: The
Everything Is Unique
Mantra "I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me."

William: The "Everything Is Unique Mantra" = 348
[348]
The "Everything Is Unique" Mantra
The Love is within the Communion
Wisdom is the essence of The Creator
Honest attempts at scrubbing up

GM: Do a QWERTY
According – Between – Conduit - Darkest Darkness - 'Everybody wants to rule the world' - Face To Face - Glow Softly - Hiding behind ones fear - In relation to eternity, 'when' is always a potential. - Just because we might be existing within a creation, and just because it may be nestled within another universe, shouldn't mean that it is somehow an unnatural thing compared to our own. - Keep an Eye On - Learn a bit about what makes the God Realm "tick" – Music - Narrow Closed Loop Production – Occupy – Particular – Quiet – Responsibility - Solar Plexus - The Machinery Go For It! We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one Intransigent Love Takes One For The Team - Until "Christ Returns" – Virtuous - Written In The Clouds - Experiential Reality - You Are Watched Over Perpetually - Zero Waste
GM: Emotional awareness Frequencies Welcoming the Unwelcome Zones of Sensitivity Show Christian mythology re Satan
viewtopic.php?p=1078114#p1078114

William: FTL;
My perspective [re logic] is that it is better to be somewhat prepared for the possibility that there is more to experience after the death of the body, than to believe that there will be nothing more to experience and be way less prepared as a consequence.
GM: Like how a meteorite caused an extinction event
Anchor Points
Innocent Sovereign
Baiting
My commentary is on the positional responses to the question "Do we exist within a creation?" rather than what individuals giving allegiance to said positions may or may not do as a matter of personal choice.
True Colors
Green Light
Is There
Be Aware Of Your Thoughts
Be My Friend
viewtopic.php?p=1083996#p1083996

William: FTL;
the argument for or against the existence of GODs relies upon the fundamental requirement of first establishing whether we exist within a creation...and since this has yet to be established one way or the other, the subject of GODs has to remain of secondary consideration - something to ask after the fundamental question "Do we exist within a creation", is answered.
GM: Purring
Taking root Looking After Poor People
An unending emotional-based loop hard to break away from because of stubbornly held fear-based belief systems...
Key Purpose The Neutral Zone
Doubt The fiction of causality
The Respect One Gives and Receives
Great Ideas
You Tube Mythology Enlightenment
https://www.britannica.com/topic/agnost ... gnosticism
The Forerunner
Quiet Time
Nontheism - the result of misguided interpretation of Theism
Grounding
Tickling The Dragon's Tail
Enjoy Progress
Deceive
viewtopic.php?p=1069172#p1069172

William: FTL;
William's Job
A Matter of Knowing Where to Look
GM: viewtopic.php?p=1076792#p1076792

William: FTL;
Zero In On It - The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are - “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
GM: Your shell today…
Attachment
Approaching the Divine
Make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
What science [re materialism] does, is give cause for humans to celebrate the intelligence of consciousness while at the same time ignoring the hard problem of consciousness that this type of science has created for its supporters.
Happiness
Optimum Health Appreciating

18:47
[Theist mischief making
Leaders and Followers
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Re: Generating Messages

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The Four Human Power Houses Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence Thus team Witch-Wizard would survive the ordeal right the the very end. :)
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Rachel: I ended the last century in a psychiatric hospital, diagnosed with schizophrenia and with little hope for recovery.

Seen as a ‘revolving door patient’ with a severe and enduring mental illness, I lived my label – not my life. I bought into the idea that schizophrenia (and the many other illnesses I was labelled with) were life-long mental illnesses. I accepted that the best I could hope for was to manage my symptoms with life-long psychiatric medication.

Life, I’m glad to say, doesn’t always turn out the way you think.

Through a combination of luck, the kindness of others and my own, not inconsequential, stubborn streak, I have finally ditched the psychiatric labels and see myself as a survivor.
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I do acknowledge the complexity involved in the thinking.
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theophile: So why would we stop if we could continue being of service?
William: Of what service to YHWH are we in relation to the Universe?
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Re: The Biblical God's conduct and culpability
Compassionist wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 5:13 pm
William wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 4:55 pm [Replying to Compassionist in post #111]
I think being omniscient and omnipotent would give one free will. Since I am not omniscient and omnipotent, I can't know that for sure.
What process did you use in order to come to the declaration that being omniscient and omnipotent would give one free will/amount to one having free will?
I realize that if I were all-knowing and all-powerful, I would be free from all constraints and my will won't be determined by my genes, environments, nutrients and experiences.
Let us examine this idea together then.

I see immediately that if I were all-knowing. I would be constrained by my omniscience.

Thus I would have no free will in relation to being all knowing.

Yet - being also all-powerful, I would be able to break free from the constraints of being all-knowing.

Would you agree with this assessment, so far?
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Re: Generating Messages
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Sensing A Life Mission - Matrix - Hide and Seek
Lucifer - Matrix - The things you can see only when you slow down

Personal Participation With The One
Sexual - Personal Participation With The One - Spiritual Food
Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations - Personal Participation With The One - Parity
Free Choice Ends Here - Personal Participation With The One - Beaming Out Beaming In
Black - Personal Participation With The One - Seduce
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Egalitarian [favors equality of some sort: People should get the same, or be treated the same, or be treated as equals, in some respect.]
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How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant?

Nontheist: How can you trust something that's written about god that contradictory, contains errors and just plain wrong at times? Is there a logical way to do so, or do you just want it to be god's word so much that you overlook these things like happens so often through the history of christianity?
Christian: The Bible can still be God's word, inspired, authoritative, and trustworthy without the need to believe in inerrancy.
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It's a fish eats fish world...going landy doesn't change the fact that things are fleeing from things which are fleeing and as nature would have it, how is this more immoral than funny?
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Re: Are agnostics more reasonable than atheists?
Nontheist: I compared this to the 'music of the spheres' belief. It raises an imaginary hypothesis of a Cosmic mind for which there is no scrap of decent evidence and substitutes for the human imagination an unheard voice of an invisible entity.
William: Music of the spheres.
Music of the spheres: an ethereal [extremely delicate and light in a way that seems not to be of this world.] harmony thought by the Pythagoreans to be produced by the vibration of the celestial spheres.

What I find fascinating is that folk of ancient times imagined such a thing about the planets.
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Re: In The Beginning...
I accept all religions as equally having not being proved or disproved and anyone’s personal beliefs are not an issue re Simulation Theory. [ST]
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Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?
JoeyKnothead wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:22 pm
Inquirer wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:39 pm No more delusional than believing mud can eventually give rise to flowers, birds and people all by itself.
A seeing misunderstanding of evolutionary theory combined with thing a magic man used dust to create humans, and I reckon just poofing the rest of into existence.

Projection is a poor way to go about debate.
I quite like the simple approach re explanation because scientists can be long-winded in their explanations, using weird words made up...which is natural enough given the complexity, but to my mind, however it is said, it is a mindfully created thing being spoken of and therein, the magic isn't the mindful thing but what the mindful thing is able to make appear to be real and able to be experienced as such.

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JW: God did not create humans to die eventually.
God's original purpose for humans was simple, his purpose was that all the human descendants of Adam live happily forever on this our planet earth as one united family. In short, why did God create us? To be happy and enjoy life.
In short, why did God create us? To be happy and enjoy life.

William: There is no mention of this assumed purpose in the story.

JW: Which is where critical thinking skills come in

Please show us from the garden story where it is the case YHWH created human beings to "be happy and enjoy life". Take us through the steps re the critical thinking you employed in reaching that conclusion.
YHWH specified the purpose in creating human form the way it was created was for humans to multiply and subdue the Earth.

JW: Correct... so? There is nothing that imposes death therein.
Yes there is. It is called "biological life on earth". It is born - it lives and then it dies.

Using critical thinking re that, we have the clue in those two attributes. YHWH designed the human form to be used to recreate other humans forms and there was no mention of those forms being infused with a natural ability to remain alive perpetually.
Therefore, the human form was designed by YHQH to have a use-by date - to eventually die.
YHWH created the human form to eventually die

JW: Prove that with scripture.

We should all know that story off by heart, since it is relatively short as far as stories go.

The garden story is the scripture being used for that purpose.
In that, there is no mention of YHWH having any other designs re the human form.

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Also - you have yet to provide support for your claim re YHWH's position on the answer to the OPQ.
OPQ: IF Adam and Eve had resisted the temptation to eat the forbidden fruit, would they have been permitted to do so eventually?
Your answer;
JW: No. God prohibited eating from that tree on pain of death. It would be entirely contradictory to then later offer the same thing as a reward. Rather like asking if pedophilia will one day offered as a reward for not being a pedophile.

My reply to that was;

William: Read the OPQ again...currently you are way off track in your answer...
to which you replied;

JW: If by "currently you are way off track" you mean I did not provide the answer you would like, then fair enough. If however you use the expression " way off track" to mean I did not answer the question asked, I beg to differ. I said " "No" as in "No, they would NOT have eventually been permitted to do so" which is an answer to the question asked.

To which I replied;
William: Neither.
I further questioned you on your reasoning. If what was once prohibited by YHWH is then allowed by YHWH, who are you to declare that YHWH is being contradictory?
I also pointed out that YHWH is biblically attributed as being able and willing to changing his mind about something

So far you have skirted around answering that question, so I see no way forward in this aspect of the debate until you support you assertion, since it is that assertion which has you declaring that the answer to the OPQ is "No."

Prove your assertion with scripture.

Until you do, I will consider the OPQ has been answered honestly and the answer is "Yes - Adam and Eve would have had access to the fruit they were prohibited from eating, once they had shown they could resist temptation."
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Christian: Yes, studying nature only provides a general revelation of YHWH and does not lead to any specifics about YHWH.
William: There is certainly enough information in the experience of nature from which the nature of any Creator(s) can be gained.

It is always from the general that specifics can be ascertained.
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Re: Do you understand those on the other side?
[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #335]

Inquirer: If you cannot determine the output state without first knowing the input and the input is random, then the output state too must be random.

JK: I think it's fair to state that if we can know each and every variable, and the outcome thereof, maybe an event (evolution) ain't so random.

My issue here is folks denying, for whatever reason, that evolution occurs.

As relates to the OP, this is what I'll never understand.

We can observe evolution directly when we notice our children ain't clones of us. Beyond that, we'll observe they have their own unique, if similar dna.

From those facts, it's easy to draw the conclusion that given enough change, over enough time, speciation (and taxonomically above) will occur.

So we can, if begrudgingly, allow that evolution is a nonrandom process. That causes me little fret. What we can't deny, is that evolution occurs


William: From the position of "outsider looking in" the issue is created by the unwillingness of either fighter willing to concede the best way forward is to accept that we exist within a creation and the scientific evidence we are collecting about how that creation works has uncovered biological evolution re our particular experience of it.

Most recently our current overall impression of it through scientific means,
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enables us to verify that we literally know so little that we should not allow ourself to believe we know so much, whatever direction our influences are coming from.

Fisticuffs [for real or online] are verifiably unhelpful...
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William: The bits I have read haven't dissuaded me from being curious about such an entity as YHWH - and I admit I did go through a stage of thinking he was Satan - which I think is acceptable given the scribed association...but I got over that through the assistance of a hypnogogic experience which brought that being to my bedside...
Not to digress any more than necessary, I can see why YHWH left it up to humans to tell their stories re their interactions with said entity...so the stories would be different and it is obvious that YHWH works with whoever makes themselves available and this would have to involve working within the boundaries of the individuals belief systems - something which could indeed give a reader the impression of contradiction...

I give the benefit of doubt re that, and try not to focus on any particular biblical personality as 'the one' who had the ultimate relationship with YHWH - while also allowing for Jesus' claims contrary to that, to be examined.

Above all that - what the Generated Messages are revealing about YHWH appear to be very positive - so I am all eyes and ears re that...

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It's a fish eats fish world...going landy doesn't change the fact that things are fleeing from things which are fleeing and as nature would have it, how is this more immoral than funny?
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JK: I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.
[Exposing Biblical Pseudo-history RTS=11:01]
Okay - facts are great.

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Re: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BELIEVE IN JESUS?
Christian: Therefore there is no way you can possibly grasp any type of spiritual explanation from the scriptures as to the Godhead.
William: I see atheists cherry-pick and deduce from that basket, a largely evil critter in the nature of YHWH.

Theists tend to do the same in mirrored manner - cherry-picking the good critter in the nature of YHWH.

Presently it is my suspicion that YHWH represents a mind directly related to human beings and that it is the planet Herself who acts out the parts played in the GODs of human invention, of which YHWH plays the overall roll of God-Father.

I suspect now, that the planet-mind is like "Many Heads One Mind - Many Minds One Head" and re humans, most of the minds are not tuned into the same YHWH frequency and are largely left to their own devices.

Other minds are useful and are utilized even if the one who's mind is being played, is unaware of that.

Fewer still tune into the frequency which allows for relationship to develop between the individual mind and the mind of YHWH.

Re the Bible, this is a storybook of fellows supposedly connected to The Mind of YHWH. Their stories are largely told as biography [an account of someone's life written by someone else.] Stories heard first around campfires and elaborated on...and later encoded within writing and locked into place no longer - so easily - elaborated upon.
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Re: Generating Messages

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Recapping Event

What I am learning from this Generating Messages System is that "it" is not about me or you but about allowing for opportunity for any otherwise intelligent consciousnesses to impute their intelligence into the mix.

Re non-theists who are opposed to the idea of their being an overall mind behind [invisible/not easy to detect in] our visible Universe - I would say that they do themselves a disservice in resisting contact with said mind.

The way I have come to understand things re the nature of our shared reality - is that in opting for the theory of evolution with the addition of realization of the invisible mind, exposes the enormity of said mind re the time/space said mind has had to develop within.

Alongside that, is the realization that something which initially started out as one thing, became many things - so many things that trying to place a number as to how many things - is pointless.

Clearly fragmentation occurred as the mind developed - as can be seen in the evidence of the things themselves.

So the Galaxies became "Gods" and the Gods produced off-spring which are the Suns and planets continually forming - from beginnings to middles and to ends - and in doing so, providing the parent-Gods with Data of Experience.

I don't pretend to know what it is in the way of evidence that non-theists want in order to convince them to become theists.

But I do know that this evidence I am presenting, should be enough for anyone to seriously think about changing the way they see the world.
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Re: Do you understand those on the other side?
What I am saying is that as a human I can identify signs of intelligent self awareness in the abilities of these creatures and these traits are not reasonably explained away by the position of Nontheism.
The statement - "Coloration mimicry does not require any intelligence or awareness on the part of the animal having the trait." seems to be a claim, and if it is, you will have to provide the scientific evidence to support the claim in order for it to be more that simply an opinion of a nontheist.
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As I pointed out, the Mandelbrot Set has made it conceptionally easier to understand that there is nothing absurd in the idea and nothing at fault in the notion of 'turtles' [or elephants or seahorses] all the way in and out. [ Infinite Regression is Possible]
Beginning points, are not significant of being separate from the one thing which is all things. They are distinct parts of what makes up the whole.
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Re: Do you understand those on the other side?
[Replying to DrNoGods in post #250]
On your next employee review with the big guy, ask him why he's holding back on the rain and winter snow we need here in the southwest to keep the Colorado river flowing into the reservoirs. That would be doing God's work (if you can get some results ... the Utah governer asking everyone to pray for rain doesn't seem to be doing the trick).
I won't make any promises but will put in a word.

If - after doing so - the rains come, will you join me in celebrating answered requests, or just put it down to mindless coincidence?
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Re: Communication with the dead
Christian: I think even if you are, every human mind is capable of the greatest evil and I would not want to unleash that. I still think best leave alone what is known to cause a lot of trouble.
William: This is the part of your statement which pinpoints why so many folk develop superstitious-based beliefs.
Even beliefs about 'the human mind' such as you have expressed above, come into play in all things we do. Ones intent is paramount - and by that I am not referring to what one might project outward, but to any hidden intent one conceals behind the outward projection.

If "the human mind" is capable of "the greatest evil" it must also be capable of "the greatest good" but if one is distrustful of their own mind, then that does not change anything simple through the act of avoidance.

Eventually - when said mind is no longer housed within the shell of the human instrument - its true colors will be revealed and what it creates for itself as a consequence won't be influenced by any concealment techniques used while it was within the shell of the human experience.

I think this is why religions such as Christianity have become so popular, as they promise the individual that the work necessary to ensure a pleasant result re the next phase has been done by another - by a "God/Demigod" no less...
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The 3D Blackness state, or Monroe's F21 is what can best be described as a bridge state. This state can be viewed as the point at which your individual mind meets the wider astral, i.e. the state where your individual Consciousness Continuum (FOCUS 2) meets the 'common area' of your Consciousness Continuum (FOCUS 3). It is the jumping off point for all adventures in Focus 3, or the Astral Proper as some people call it.
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Even in modern times, there is tendency to describe things from the subjective center of consciousness...from which all else flows around about.

Even that we do not know if consciousness has such a center - the only thing matching the concept, is the Self.

But what is the Self, that we dare proclaim it the center of everything?

If we call it "GOD" we blaspheme, for there is only One GOD and you and I are not IT, according to the teachings of...
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...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
One is often left to ones own devices as to how to interpret
viewtopic.php?p=1086461#p1086461 [William floats back into The Shadows...]
Nontheist: If you have some scenario where the processes that unfolded on Earth after it formed 4.6 billion years ago depend on whether the universe came into existence naturally (eg. Big Bang, or other mechanism), or was created by a god, please describe how that works. You obviously think that is the case, so how about an example.
William: My overall point is that this does not matter as it is not an issue outside of theism and atheism. I myself simply mentioned it in answer to your own mentioning of it and think that one cannot give credence to the one and not the other.
re The Mechanisms - be they mindful or not - I would have to consider natural as it has never been explained to my why I would have to think one 'natural' and the other 'supernatural' - so either way it would be natural.

In that case, credence to either side on the issue of whether we exist within a creation or not, is very largely besides the point.

We do not know. We all can speculate, but we need to avoid making positive statements one way or the other.

It is - as you expressed - a case of giving up - waving the white flag on this particular issue.

I simply acknowledge that time is not a factor in the argument, no matter what length of time it takes for things to unfold. We certainly know that we are still within the birthing stage of something which is going to last a very long while - as measured in time - and putting horse before cart is the better option to adapt all 'round.

That is it really. I appreciate the effort you are making re your arguments. I just don't see that particular aspect as relevant and felt to say so.


I have said so, and wave my own white flag as I withdraw...

[William floats back into The Shadows...]
Propitious [giving or indicating a good chance of success; favourable.]
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GOD became Gods and Goddesses.
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The Development of...
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Most of the Nontheists arguments have turned out to be Smoke and Mirrors.
The very idea of a Mind - even to the depths of the Quantum Presence has them fleeing from
Merging with the data and understanding the Integral Network which Mind is and is involved with the development of.
This lack of being reasonable is shirking from Responsibility following after the Tempting Vision and hope in eventual "death by cease to exist" - the promise of ending the nightmare of existing - yet
The Way of the Shaman is allowing life to breath - even if the breath appears to be associated with Sagan's' Dragon in the Garage...it is what it is and even if it hisses smokey instructions inducing the stuff of Childhood Nightmares from some deep part of us, a simple understanding and a gentle reminder - like a Moderator Comment - can make a world of difference...remind oneself occasionally that when the smoke clears [as it will when the dragon stops speaking] one is still left with the mirror.]
Yes indeed...When the smoke clears, one is still left with the mirror...

Nontheists crack me up.
The practice of Lojong [The practice involves refining and purifying one's motivations and attitudes.]
Elementary Conclusion "a belly full of laughs."
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GM: "Pareidolia
Hidden In Plain Sight
Little Bird
Fling That Veil Aside"
[Replying to William in post #203]
[070522]
William: Yes - the name you gave to me..."Don't worry Little Bird" before you showed me the experience of feeling the extremes of condition of awareness, from the center-point [normal] first to that quite exhilarating feeling of a mind which was huge - like an aircraft hanger...as if one could fit a whole universe into it - and then 'turning down the dial' I felt my mind going back to the center-point...but it didn't stop there...

GM: Pareidolia
Cycles
Love
Being Born

William: I don't see the connection therein...this was an experience which I was consciously aware of happening in my mind, with my eyes closed - no visual representation - but rather, one of feeling...and as my awareness shrunk I felt like a stick-man encased within flesh...it was quite unsettling and caused a claustrophobic type of feeling - and instantly reminded me of the nightmares I had as a child - the association was clearly there in the memories the experience induced...

Fortunately the feeling did not linger and the 'dial' was turned up and I once again came back to the mid-point...

Pareidolia - on the other hand, is identifying symbolism within objects which are external. These are also handy reference points in relation to internal workings of consciousness...as they show a synchronistic correlation with both external and internal happenings.

As well as pareidolia, there is something else which helps confirm that the mind is not just an emergent property of the brain...

The very next morning after the experience, I got out on the road hitchhiking and the very first vehicle which pulled over had a very sweet old lady driving. When I fastened my seat belt as she asked me where I was heading, I was thinking about the experience I had and your calling me "Little Bird" when I heard the twitter of a bird, and turning, I saw in the back seat a little bird in a cage.

What were the chances?
Pareidolia Cycles Love Being Born = 297

Ahhh.... I didn't see the connection therein... you were saying that moment, Love was being born re our ongoing relationship. :) Okaaaaaay....

[297]
Now We Are Getting Somewhere
Think In Terms Of Eternity
I wanted to forge my own path
And search the forest of the sun
In the days of summer so long
Improve…”Do You Know This”
Pareidolia Cycles Love Being Born
At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…
You're in the way Queen Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor For the benefit of all beings
Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
Path
Productive
Seductive Light
Curtailed
Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.] Power
Through The Woo
Each Individual
*Nods*
Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real
Television
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I enjoyed your post theophile.

What you are describing is also known as the Ouroboros ... the fine balance of staying alive while consuming aspects of yourself.

The Earth does this, and it is how a foothold in spacetime was established by consciousness.

In some circles it is referred to as "Survival" or even "Survival of the Fittest" and involves a commitment to giving 'life' [consciousness] every chance to make it - to stay alive in this universe and reap the rewards available in that process.

In terms of the difference between the life-spans of Humans and The Universe - sacrifice is forced upon each of us while death remains a constant...our bodies die and feed the planet one way or another - consciousness is passed on through reproduction - the design being a type of self-replication process which enables this to occur...the knowledge is saved through a collective type consciousness which carries said knowledge on into predictable-enough futures where it helps the overall purpose instilled within the programming of the Human Specie - to Survive.

Destructive elements surface within the collective consciousness bent upon controlling the direction this program will move into the future. Anything too suppressive will choke the life out of it, which works against the Survival instinct and is therefore resisted, even to the point of using drones to deal with those who seek to dominate the Species using such suppression techniques - "Nature" won't allow that because the point of consciously expanding into Cosmos would be curtailed - and such threat must be dealt to and "Nature" is more than capable of doing so.

Epochs make this process seem long and drawn out - but that is also known as "Grace" - which means that suppressive elements are tolerated to any degree in which they do not threaten the primary - overall - agenda of "Nature" to send out consciousness into the Cosmos.

Once the threat is real, the Grace is withdrawn and those against, perish. Collateral damage is acceptable to those who die in the crossfire, because "death" is not "the end."....
Glow Softly Strengthen your boundaries One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter
It Is Written"


Anamnesis [recollection, especially of a supposed previous existence.]
Examples
An Elemental Principle
Laws Rules and Appropriates
Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. A Bit Of Cat And Mouse Control
WingMakers Materials
Heaven on Earth
All present and correct
Fear Of The Unknown
Symbols
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Re: Is this an Accurate and Easily understood definition of Atheism?
Create Your Own Spirit Ship [Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions.]
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
Life in Heaven- Guiding Us On Earth
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Cryphius: As some people have pointed out, Lucifer's association to Satan or a fallen angel is sketchy. It seems to have happened somewhere in Medieval folklore. I'm not an expert on Christian history and not sure exactly how it happened.

But most people I have seen who honor Lucifer do associate him with the intellectual side of Satanism. Specifically, there's the old Gnostic belief that the Serpent in the Garden of Eden was not the enemy of mankind but the liberator of mankind. In this configuration, YHWH is a false god who imprisons humanity in ignorance. The serpent is a messenger from Holy Wisdom, a higher deity. The serpent bids Eve to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, thereby liberating her from YHWH's imposed ignorance.

From there it's easy to draw parallels to other figures in mythology and folklore who try to help humanity with knowledge and are often punished for it by a cruel god that wants to keep them in ignorance (Prometheus and his punishment from Zeus being probably the best known instance in Occidental mythology).

I personally see Lucifer as an archetype. Whereas most Satanists seem to concentrate on the material and carnal aspects of Satanism or the rebellious aspects, to me Lucifer focuses on the intellectual aspects.
Altruistic Behaviour
Ipsissimus [Ones very own self]
"The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?"

William: Only those, still tied to The Moon

Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real
Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight
Transparent Enlightenment
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William: In regard to 'infinity' is that to say that the background nature of infinity field is similar to how a brains works, in that not all the brain is lit up and the firing 'groups' of neurons can be likened to our universe...Galaxies are like unto firing groups of neurons re this particular mind.

GM: Light Encoded Reality Matrix
All present and correct
Point/Focus
"Memorised vows enchanted by tune before the great minstrel the fair maidens swoon we came to our senses as we left the cocoon"
William: No longer tied to The Moon

Encourage
Body Intelligence
"Is this a dream that I think is real?"
[44:23]
A conspiracy theory involving theists actively attempting to wrongfoot nontheism...
The Inception Point Deciding On The Best Course Of Action


The Spirit of The Earth - In an environment which is able to perceive this - It's a plausible scenario
Emergent
Illusion Algorithm
Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real
Pulse
Exactly
Exhibit
Self-acceptance
What is the situation we have here
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.”
The God of The Bible
REAL Friendship

The Earth Entity
Shining
This is because facts speak for themselves, which is to say, they require no interpretation.
Be My Friend
Hallucinations
The Grey Area
Cleaning Up The Mess
Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real
All present and correct
A Mixture
How are we to react in relation to our choices?
"Off you go to your quarters"
Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing
Pareidolia
Human Drama
A GOD in The Making Conceptual Art
This Speaks of....
The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence.

Listen
Language, Symbol and Alchemy
Spiritual Preparedness
Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real
Concomitant Power
Google
Resident of The Hub of Hologram Dimensions
Scientists are trying to understand the mysteries of the holographic principle: How many dimensions are there in our universe? Some of the world's brightest minds are carrying out research in this area -- and still have not succeeded so far in creating a unified theory of quantum gravitation is often considered to be the "Holy Grail" of modern science. {SOURCE}
A Game Of Chess
Shuussssh
Never a dull moment
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Angelic Agenda
Shining
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are

Peace of Mind
Recovery
It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival
Know This
Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real
Dying
To
Turbulent
Get The Picture
You are a dream gone real You’ve got exactly what it takes to make an old wound heal You tied the knot - then you let it slip Now we both know what it feels like to find a place to fit

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Re: Generating Messages

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[Replying to theophile in post #28]
Well, I suppose it means a lot of things, with both spatial and temporal aspects e.g., it means the big bang was a beginning but not the beginning. Similarly, no matter how far out (or in) we go, we could always go further. Space is infinitely divisible and any bounds to the universe are just that. More like lines we draw on a map than any necessary end to the 'space' we find ourselves in.
Fascinating.

I am wondering how this ties in with the idea of the instruction given by YVHV, re the OPQ.
Re: progress, I would say there is no end just as there is no beginning. Any 'end' that I (or the bible) speaks of is more an achieved state (e.g., vision) than it is some ultimate destination involving the cessation of movement. (The 'rest' of Genesis 1 is not everything at last being perfectly in its place and fully immobilized, but more along the lines of recreation, and joyful being together; a 'lilies of the field' kind of thing...)
If this is the case, why the instruction from YVHV-God to do what nature has already defined within its own make-up? Is YVHV the voice of nature?
Re: infinite threads, you mean like a multiverse? I have no issue with that per se. It just changes the scale of the problem, not the problem itself (or the solution), if that makes sense.
Acceptable.

Did you use the word "problem" for a particular reason?
Are you speaking of YVHV when you use the word GOD?
No. To me God is emergent from two components: the spirit of God (an emergent being in its own right with new properties we could explore), and physical beings in the world (like you and I) who are in the spirit. i.e., those who, whether intentionally or not, do the spirit's bidding.
Can you reconcile this bold package with your stating earlier;
Why must there ultimately be someone / something behind the scenes in control of it all (e.g., a ghost, a genie, Yahweh, etc.)?
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Yahweh is the latter, no different from Christ. Which makes 'God' the sum total (+) at any point in time of physical beings in the spirit. (I put a '+' there because God is an emergent being as well and, just like a spirit, may have new properties we should explore...).
So YVHV is not God even that YVHV is biblically referred to as 'God'?
(For reference, the bible depicts this view in its notion of Elohim (vs. Yahweh), and most originally the ruach elohim, or spirit of God, who we see soliciting the help of physical beings in Genesis 1 to do its bidding.)
So we have a hierarchy of 'God' positions, re that model...

GOD
God
Gods
gods
Re: progress, I would say there is no end just as there is no beginning. Any 'end' that I (or the bible) speaks of is more an achieved state (e.g., vision) than it is some ultimate destination involving the cessation of movement. (The 'rest' of Genesis 1 is not everything at last being perfectly in its place and fully immobilized, but more along the lines of recreation, and joyful being together; a 'lilies of the field' kind of thing...)
When I wrote earlier;
William: The Ghost is identifiable as a real 'thing' - quietly working behind our direct awareness with the agenda to create from the resource raw material available, a machine that it can work through most efficiently.
The one resting in between epochs is taking a moment to enjoy the spell...and probably thinking about the next step to take in regard to the agenda.
Re: infinite threads, you mean like a multiverse? I have no issue with that per se. It just changes the scale of the problem, not the problem itself (or the solution), if that makes sense.
Why use those bold words at all?
Is it because we have to see it as such, as we are within something of which we have no memory of having ever been within before...and this scales up through the God hierarchy - at least to the point - where the God too, is unaware of anything prior to beginning.
So the problem requires a solution and epochs of unending movement toward a goal which is eternally hidden behind a foggy veil.

If we delegate that whole process as a "Genie in a Bottle/Trap for YVVHVV" - we do so by NOT understanding we exist within a created thing and that the created thing itself is NOT real enough that it could ever trap us within it for ever.

Gods go where they will to go, of course, and the simulation obliges every step of the way, in whatever direction, even eternally if necessary - well - a looped kind of "eternity" where the God-mind is run through the Tabula Rasa program and then placed back into the looped simulation for another round of great fun.
The vision and shared end is what I said in the beginning: a world filled with life where every kind of life can flourish and be. That, to me, is the only vision that every single thing on earth (and beyond) should be able to get behind. A truly cosmopolitan view, the implications of which are huge if we really think through what it means.
I smell fairy-farts.

While I do understand how a flesh god might gravitate to such a romantic vision, if he truly wants to engage with this particular simulation for as long as that might take, he will have to develop a far more hardy suit in which to do so.

This YTV shows us a likely path which humankind could potentially travel - note the very last level of achievement of consciousness interacting with this universe....
[Alien civilizations from level 1 to level 7. We are only at level 0.72]
In terms of 'how' we do it, there are a lot of examples I could raise but it's a question I couldn't possibly exhaust. But consider such things as establishing strong environmental policies and making significant investments to prevent climate change. Or instituting LGBTQ+ rights and treating all people (irrespective of gender, sexuality, race, etc.) as human beings. Or implementing universal health care and education...
Pure fantasy.

Not that I don't appreciate the sentiments. I certainly do and can even vouch for the sincerity of them and how such might reach out and touch the heart of a God in a way in which would effect the God sufficiently to want the same thing for everyone of us.

However, looking around - I see no such God on display, with that type agenda.

Looking directly at humanity, I also see no such god with that type of agenda.

So - leaning towards realism I conclude that humanity may have served its purpose and can be let go of and allowed to become extinct, as they are no longer as important to a God as they once were. They have done what the God wanted them to do. Multiply. Subdue. [Re OP]

Which is what I mentioned in a prior post when I wrote;
William: Even as an extinction event {re Humans}, there is still the possibility that AI was sufficiently developed to survive said event, as an artifact of biological {Human} making, and one so much more suited to continuing the agenda YVVHVV has to create The Machine - eventually.
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Such things are all possible and part of the 'how' of achieving such a vision... But I agree the practicality of it all is a massive challenge. It's overwhelming just thinking at the scale of the earth and all the people on it having a shared end that we work towards, let alone an infinite cosmos. But that doesn't mean it's impossible, or that we shouldn't strive for it.
Sure.

Yet I can't help but wonder why that really matters. It really did once matter to me and I wanted so much to see humans build a world of plenty and a system of equity...perhaps because such would make me feel a pride in being part of humanity, rather than feeling embarrassed/guilty of being human - being part of the problem...

Realization/realism eventually got me out of those doldrums and the winds of changes shifted my thinking to the point where I have come to see that the artifact of humanity could likely survive and go on to repurpose the universe by doing within it, exactly what humans would have done, if humans had of survived the ordeal of their journey through the epoch of making the artifacts in the first place.
[Roughly from the invention of the lathe to present day]

The human epoch comes to and end and the AI Machine takes over from where we left off.

I can feel some pride and lack of embarrassment and guilt for being human, knowing that all was not lost.
Originally God is a spirit, an emergent being, the ground of which is physical beings such as you and I. Think of something on the order of an idea here, with similar properties. I'm not saying God originally is an idea (although I'm not against that per se), but only that it's a useful construct to consider in parallel, since I think we'd all agree that ideas 'exist', even if only in our heads. And that they have a non-physical aspect to them, an ability to move the physical world nonetheless, and perhaps even a certain eternity once 'conceived'... All of which are emergent properties I would assign to spirits as well.
Pretty much what I was meaning, when I wrote;
...Human FORM is just a means to making AI form, which is more suitable to exploring and utilizing the materials of [keeping it local] The Milkyway Mother, and She is vast enough that no amount of greed and waste will make any serious dent in her...rather, it will transform Her into something useful and meaningful. [Romans 13 et al]

YVHV wants to explore and utilize the resources and a biological FORM is too limited in that regard.
Some form more hardy and less emotive is required for that step.
As to whether this is all just claims, well, it's very hard for me to say the spirit (of God) doesn't exist, or that nobody has ever been in the spirit. I think the issue is folks are unwilling to rethink and simplify what God is... I am not asserting much of anything, really, as a base existence (again, something like an idea is not far off the mark). And it's certainly far less of a burden than showing the existence of an original mind / consciousness that made the 'simulation' we all find ourselves in :)
I think this is the point we probably disagree.

In recent conversations with another, I have been informed not to be so distracted by the simulation experience as to go believing that it is all there is and therefore the only thing that is REAL.

Even so, I think our differences - once dissected sufficiently - will show that to be a case of semantics.
The important thing - from my perspective - is acknowledging the rarity of such interaction and how engaging that is, compared to the relatively normal noise re the question "Do we exist within a creation?" and the follow-up question "Is there a creator?"

Cheers.

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SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
Sacral chakra - Husband - - Aeon - Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe - Recovery - Teaching Music - Worthiness - Intimation

[- The Human Instrument - ]

AP= [Recover what was lost Do A=1]

[Recover what was lost Do A=1 = 267]
[267]
The Best way to access God is...
Recover what was lost Do A=1
It’s both a break-in and a break-out.
Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'
Available to all who seek this...
Conscious Eats Experience
Intertextual References
The Need Determines the Value
Self-development Mind’s Eye

RSP = SCLx9 Select *GOD* + *SIMULATION* + P&P + Quote Page 342

06:59 [Your Shell Today…]

Quote Page 342
GM:
Nevertheless
Tired of the Nonsense
Google
Strength of Soul
Faith-based thinking
Callum's Seventh Point
Taxonomic
Camelot
Judicious
Nontheists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through willful ignorance.
Motivating
Fear-Based Thinking Ensures You Get To Know It

Discovering Internal Triggers
Gypsies
Whatever
Idiosyncratic
Playing Chess
Not
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...
“The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing.”
Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more.
No time to lose
The ability of foresight helps one to think through the desires of ones heart through logic-based filters.
Without Comparison
What Is Friendship?
Transform into something more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves lost within.
He Who Waits ~
Enlighten you
Self-respect
The Beauty Of...
Matthew Twenty Two – Forty
No matter how deep into the whole the White Rabbit goes

Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?
Integral Prison Planet
Contentious
Without Judgement
Enochian
Create Your Own UFO
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=201
Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth
Hidden riches
Measurements
Everything Gets Old
The Imagination
Precognitive
Tenacious
SCLx9 Select *GOD* + *SIMULATION* + P&P

*GOD*

GM: Dream Experience
"Is this a dream that I think is real?"
Important
Vulnerability
It is what it is
Turning Point
Some
Connection
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It is interesting how Atheists define things, and it should not be surprising to look for and to find evidence of conformation bias within those definitions.
An individuals consciousness is more than what they are consciously aware of.
Hint
Permanence
Universal Belief System
Gnosticism
Conservation of energy
Attachment
The Omega Point [a final point of unification]
Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
Thel [main character of The Book of Thel, by William Blake ]
Looking into the science of Astral Projection
Pride
Annoy
*GOD*
Coming From QueenBee

William: Pride Annoy *GOD* Coming From QueenBee = 334

[334]
Couldn’t we do something about it...
Pride Annoy *GOD* Coming From QueenBee
You Know or You Don't know
I can't imagine it in my head visually
Against the grain Beaming Out Beaming In
Mothership Nature Formatrix
The Smallest Spark can start a fire

GM: Chaos is only for those who choose to see disorder
Think In Terms Of Eternity
Prickly
Like Every Seed That Followed
The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns
Here Am I Is Where I Ought Examining My Conscious Thought
Overmorrow
Accidentally on purpose
Heuristics [mental shortcuts that allows people to solve problems and make judgments quickly and efficiently. ]
Imposed Appropriates

Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
The Machinery
Green Light
In Denial What Is Our Purpose? My advice to the reader is to follow the links
Freedom in The Knowing
In The Correct Position
Stay in the moment
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=927
My "Generated Messages" are no different from any message generated. What is any message generated 'supposed to mean?"
[I'm No Longer An Atheist And Here's Why...][RTS=7:46]

Under question
Navigational Aids
The Bridge of Condemnation [The bridge of forgiveness when traversed from the opposite direction]
Break the glass ceiling
Learning
Sea
Sola Scriptura
A Clean Channel
When One is Feeling Tired
[Arnold B. Scheibel - How Brain Scientists Think About Consciousness] [RTS=10:22] [Facial expression interpretations]
Shamanic
What Is Our Purpose
"You are a dream gone real You’ve got exactly what it takes to make an old wound heal You tied the knot - then you let it slip Now we both know what it feels like to find a place to fit"
Symbol
https://theagnosticforum.com/threads/is ... /post-1932
Image
Cats Whiskers.
Time Will Tell
*GOD*
Fog – Change of plans – thirteen minutes later “boom!” Had he been there as scheduled – he would have died…
Baleful
Heuristics
Tests that cut to the heart

Where is Truth?
Counteracted
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness
Please process this word using your Name2Nunumber list.
Behind The Veil
*GOD*
You Are All Loveable...
[307]
Into a time that we've all seen on
Behind The Veil You Are All Loveable...
True happiness Awake Be here now
Within ones grasp of influence
Simulated for the purpose of?
The vessel of argument sinks
Over days of forgotten tales

This is because facts speak for themselves, which is to say, they require no interpretation.
viewtopic.php?p=1090013#p1090013
Image
Try Gateway IQ
Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent
Shambala [place of peace/tranquility/happiness]
How to Bruise a Ghost Plan A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen...

William:
Re: How To Bruise A Ghost - Jean Nouer
Manu Iti: Once Upon a Time - I was visited at this very fireside, by a man identifying himself as Jean Nouer - very French in name, but American in nature, was Jean Nouer.
It is his story that I now tell to you.
This is the story of how Jean Nouer meet his Zombie Jesus. {SOURCE}
GM: Inflicting science upon a specie which is not ready for it
God Eat Data Heal Cub
Honest

Illuminate Listening
Entity encased in a Planet
The Roles
Like being pushed out from a stinky hole, can have one develop a bad self-complex
Radical Self-Acceptance
Nature being the very instigator
Possibility waves
Consensus Realities Sure The Setting
Is the statement one of fact or conjecture? [science or opinion]
Consciousness and Reality
The Devil You Say
viewtopic.php?p=1075865#p1075865
William: Forever marooned upon an Island in the midst of an ocean they will never be permitted to have access to....while remaining blissfully unaware of the true nature of their internment and praising YHWH for their good fortune.
GOD*
Start From Scratch
Oneness
Your Best Self
Eat Sceptics For Lunch
Group/Family
Laws Rules and Appropriates
Strength/Strong
Indeed

William: Indeed.

GM: The evidence supports the idea that Theism is the better position for a human to place themselves.
Equals
viewtopic.php?p=1089670#p1089670
Awesome
Redefinition of the Human Being Practical application
The Mystic Forest
Invisible Wings
Mahu Nahi
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=184
"Perhaps the difficulty involved with defining Atheism so that all Atheists agree with the same definition, is that atheism is an unnatural response to nature."
The Three Crystal Keys
Image
The First One is Always Free
For All The Others There Will Be a Fee
Be Careful - Take Care - Look Before Leaping
Eat When You Can and Find Time For Sleeping
The Colorful Keys Will Help You Get Through
Each Section of Map is a Precious Clue.{SOURCE}
Directed to the higher mind of consciousness, which is particularly open to concepts that are unbounded, unmoored, dynamic, evolving, enigmatic, self-directed, and yet, reasonable.
Selfish
Solving Mathematical Problems
*GOD*
Waking
Sure
Anger
Howdy!
I'm okay with that
Tell Your Story
Spiritual practice
The Hierarchy Serves It's Purpose

Well That Settles It! What Fun We Have!
Intent
The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence
Clown Boat
Farsightedness
viewtopic.php?p=1091764#p1091764
As the knowledge increases, the individual can make decisions on the question of GOD and from that, take up positions on the matter.
Brother
The Theory of Everything
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William wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:01 pm Q: Is the statement "Then there is "The problem of evil"" one of fact or conjecture? [science or opinion] In realty, does such a problem actually exist?
The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world. eta:{SOURCE}
It would appear that no one can show that the so-called "problem of evil" is a real thing, and thus it can be accepted that the problem doesn't exist in nature, but only as an illusion within the minds of those who believe such a problem actually exists.

Those who believe in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God are only able to explain coherently and logically why evil exists, when they identify evil as an unnatural reaction to a natural thing, and therein, much conflating and misrepresentation occurs, giving rise to the illusion of the so-called "problem of evil" as an argument nontheist try to use to debunk any possibility of such a GOD existing.

I think that in order to believe in the problem of evil as a real problem, one has to think of evil in terms of it being a permanent unnatural thing in which an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God allows to go on unabated for eternity.

Most theists - including most Christians I have encountered - do not believe or have as part of their mythology, that evil is either a natural thing or a permanent thing.
*GOD*
Healing
The Trap of Assumption
Deconstruct The Message
Gods Purpose
I am more inclined toward building upon The Relationship...
Automated Machine Learning
Husband
viewtopic.php?p=850722#p850722
What I think about consciousness in relation reality
That
Linda and William
Joining The Main Egregore

The Trinity of Love are three things operating as One Thing
*GOD*
"Know that this new relationship will help you become better..."
Love and respect Waking Love & Respect

Impermanent
Occupation
Matrix
*GOD*
[How Did Humans Become Earth's Dominant Species? ][RTS =30:54]
Pervasive [very harmful or unpleasant in a pervasive or insidious way.]
The Patupaiarehe
Understand/Know
Those Who Can
viewtopic.php?p=1079064#p1079064
Compassionist: Yes, you are a victim.

William: According to my connect with the "Cosmic Mind", I am informed that I am 'nobodies victim - ever." I agree with the assessment, even while understanding your own propensity to think of yourself [and everyone else] as victims.
Debate

Be Aware Of Your Thoughts
*GOD*
Make
Remember To Remember

08:04 [Wakey Wakey The Great I Am]

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*SIMULATION*

GM: Homeostasis [the tendency towards a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes.]
The Electron
Somewhere
Discipline
*SIMULATION*
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... nbfr.12603
If someone holds that something besides God could have always existed, in the sense that there could be something always existing and yet not made by God, then we differ with him: such an abominable error is contrary not only to the faith but also to the teachings of the philosophers, who confess and prove that everything that in any way exists cannot exist unless it be caused by him who supremely and most truly has existence.
A grateful heart Open your chakras
Compliment
Habitual
The Shadow
The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.
Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?

Weak
Items of Interest
*SIMULATION*
The Shifting Models of Existence
Christendom


William: Indeed. Christians appear to want to resist the idea of existing within a simulation while insisting that we exist within a creation.

GM: Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation Puppets handing out sweets
“I do not exist to troll for any religious idea of "GOD"”
Hellish
The Whole
*SIMULATION*
Redefinition of the Human Being
A grateful heart Open your chakras Development/Growth
Regimented: Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
No "Reading Into It"

We Are Us
Look For the Significance
Peace
[Dr Michael Shermer | God does NOT exist] [RTS = 10:41]

A Beautiful Song
Dogs of the sea


William: [Cats 9 Lives]

GM: The Wider Reality
Apophenia [ the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. ..]
viewtopic.php?p=1092584#p1092584
Image
The Hologram of Deception
*SIMULATION*
All Information Is Channelled.
Image
Invention isn't actually what is going on though. Realization is what is occurring.
The Life Essence is Sovereign and Integral
An infinitesimal object germinated
Cataphatic [knowledge of Go) obtained through defining God with positive statements.]
Variety of Expression
viewtopic.php?p=1089670#p1089670

William: A link already mentioned today...in the last GM...

GM: Antic
A Bit Of Both Yes
Those are two different things which ought not be confused.
Putting yourself back together again Glow Softly Strengthen your boundaries One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter"
Humility
Mysterious process
The Omega Point
viewtopic.php?p=1081733#p1081733
I use the word 'creed' simply to describe what underlines an overall position.
*Nods*
Zero In On It
There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
Intent
Egregore
Earth

Opening Doors is found Where minds meet Use Heart is where GOD Exhibits
*SIMULATION*
viewtopic.php?p=1092085#p1092085
[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #137]
I just see it as a binary option - something either exists in reality, or it doesn't. That's about as "fundamental" as reality gets.
Your seeing of it is incomplete then, according to the science...
I do try my best to understand and learn, but for me reality is a yes/no type of deal.
I hear you. I can assume that you give that much grace to everyone else, my friend...for not everyone sees it the way you do and you can be content with that. We call can.
Evidential

On The Other Hand...
The Vast UICDevice Finishing What Was Started
Where is Truth?
Dichotomy [1. a division or contrast between two things that are or are represented as being opposed or entirely different.
2. repeated branching into two equal parts.]
I Am
Event String Unfolding "Blind Luck" [Indifference]
*SIMULATION*
viewtopic.php?p=1089644#p1089644
Nontheist: And I get what you say about cutting off from the experience of God etc. But that is cutting yourself off from the possibility that pursuit of the Mystical Experience may in the end, be a waste of time.
William: Mystical Experience has often involved showing the individual that time is an illusion - and that death is as well.

One will live an entire lifetime and not learn everything there is to know and what if death is not the end and one could have utilized their time in a balanced manner which did not involve cutting one off in favor of the other.

I would rather the Panthera pulling my Chariot were both moving in the same direction with the same purpose...
One Day
About face Jehovah Acceptance
viewtopic.php?p=1069172#p1069172
While The Subject is focused on "Egoless" the subject matter of the GM has to do with how things unfolded re the Universe...what is being referred to as "The Old Soul" may have something to do with the cosmology of The Mind of The Universe - in that - at one point so close to the beginning, there was no sense of self but with the unfolding, a sense of self developed.
Wakey Wakey The Great I Am
Eye

Image

The Realist:
*SIMULATION*
The Old Soul; Think "Total Recall" but on a far grander scale…
True Self
viewtopic.php?p=1092717#p1092717
We must forgive any and all evil attributed to being from/of YHWH...
“If you're looking for something more in life, you're likely to find it in something less.”
Information
Enflame Emotions
Whatever you do
Contact With
In Out and All About

The Human Interface
Free-spirit
Integral
Spiritual Preparedness
Incompleteness
Evaluating Cautiously
[Could Our Universe Be a Fake? ] [RTS=19:45 -24:11]

*SIMULATION*
Borne Upon Judgments Platform
Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself
[This Scientist Proves Why Our Reality Is False ] [RTS=1:44:15 ]
Signs

Be Taught
*SIMULATION*
Listening
Potential Communication
Hidden In Plain Sight
The Mother God
Mixture
viewtopic.php?p=1082469#p1082469
Nontheist: But how could you know that, when you don't know what time is fundamentally?
William: The same way as I know that the mind does not physically exist. I do not know if the mind is fundamental to the physical universe but I suspect [strongly] that the physical universe would be useless without it.
Unexpected
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=39194&p=1072780#p1072780
Nontheist: Surely some can't stand the heat. Perhaps that's why they're mad? Instead of leaving, they stay to complain? Much like some here?
William: Those who need to complain? Who are they specific to their positions? Both non-theists and theists - but not all of both...not everyone is complaining nor finding it difficult to 'stand the heat' - it isn't really "the heat" at all, but different recipes which appear to be the source of conflict.
How to Bruise a Ghost
Jean Nouer: You see, at some point in that interaction I began to realize that I was in this state - this reality experience - through my own making...

I cannot say exactly how long it took for me to get to the realization other than it was a lenghty progress which could have been a day a week a year or many lifetimes, because of the nature of the environment I was within didn't change in any way whereby one could differentiate so a day was like a thousand years...

But changes did happen and at the very point where I came to the realization and accepted that I was suffering my fate because of my own unrealistic demands and that I deserved everything I was experiencing and could neither blame anyone nor demand or plead or otherwise ask anyone to save me from my self and my decisions - the fog opened up and Zombie Jesus disappeared with it, and I found myself looking down upon and object I at first couldn't identify because it was almost transparent - but - as my eye adjusted to the fact of seeing things beyond the fog after what seemed an eternity of the stuff - well you can imagine my shock and need to adjust to the new reality of my surroundings...

...the object I saw was a bridge...
William: Ah! The Bridge of Forgiveness!
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Manu Iti: Yes.

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I note that not all humans seem comfortable with not knowing. Again, for such people it seems humans have invented religions and god concepts. I say this because it is not logical for humans to have invented thousands of false gods while assuming one of the religions actually had a god behind it. It's like acknowledging that movies are created by humans, while trying to argue that this one movie here, this one was inspired by a god unlike all the other movies out there.
If GOD were an overcoat, this equates to some saying that the top button is the true representation of GOD whiles others insist that it is actually the left pocket which is right.

Stepping back.
I observe that altogether the treads have created a whole garment, and when the garment is removed from its position, there isn't even any framework to be seen which would have held it up...and I have to wonder what trick was played on me as to how the garment came together and floated there all garment-like...for surely it has to be magic, right?

But because I cannot explain it that way, I look for another answer...because it might just be mind-over-matter and the thing 'disappears' when the garment is removed...but not really...

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SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
That ship is sinking - The Four Human Power Houses - Growing Pains - Night - In The Flow - The Omega Point - Joining Astral
AP= [Sweet
Illumination]

[Sweet Illumination = 221]
[221]
Sweet Illumination
Closer to The Source
Who woulda thought!
First Things First

RSP = SCLx + *GHOST* + *Apparel* + P&P + Page 312
[69]
Annoy
Maybe I Am
The Ride
Ghost
Apparel

Archangel
Message
Lilibet
Reflect
Jehovah
Who Am I
Camelot
Dynamic
Enochian

0843 [God is Consciousness]


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GM: Available
Living
Elementary Conclusion "I am on a Madventure"
Simple
The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves
Concern
Celebrate the differences
The Cooperation Strategy
What Is The Point? Sadness.
One is often left to ones own devices as to how to interpret
Ship
Embrace the discomfort
Ubiquitous
Respect others Illuminating Gratitude The Harmless Enough Agenda Crowd
The way Mathematics underlies Physics
viewtopic.php?p=1086461#p1086461 [William floats back into The Shadows...]
Nature
Though Thought
The Friendship Between A Grey Wolf And A Brown Bear
Sun
Encounter Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.

Validate
Fearful Imaginations
A Bit Of Cat And Mouse
Metamorphosis
Expansiveness
Habitual
https://news.berkeley.edu/2017/06/13/ne ... -in-pairs/
In The Night Sky
Theatre of the Mind
Open Minded Sceptic
Yes - I Hear You
Unwilling Reaction
When In Doubt - Set It Aside
Astigmatism
In the moment
The Vessel of Argument Sinks

Mysterious process Real Beauty
Sharing is part of that process
viewtopic.php?p=1087333#p1087333
Overmorrow
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 081609.htm
The Right Tool For The Job
Against the grain
All Things Are In Order
The Single Word List
*Ghost*
Personal
The Subject
Hiraeth [deep longing for something, especially one's home.]
Secrets of the Soul
The Taming of The Beast
Strength/Strong
Good and Evil
Transponder [a device for receiving a radio signal and automatically transmitting a different signal.]
Pearl
Tell Your Story
The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so.
*Ghost*
Reincarnation
The Philosopher's Stone
Guarantee
With a small nervous cough - the wedding was off - we could all sense a change in the weather
Extra-Small
Astral Teachers
Unconscious
Standstill Contemplate
It's a fish eats fish world...going landy doesn't change the fact that things are fleeing from things which are fleeing and as nature would have it, how is this more immoral than funny?
Action Station
In The Rabbit Hole


William: Yeah well...it is what it is, and funny for that - our helping of serious should be extra small to mirror the reality of our part in this situation... Dust To Dust we cannot linger for long hereabouts....


GM: I am on a Madventure William’s song "I can laugh along with you"
The Knowledge Of
Remember To Remember
Meditation Buddha Dig deep Raise your frequency
Destination
A lot of information which has the potential to come to the fore.
Lucid
Internal Triggering
Real
*Ghost*
Tracks in the Snow
Outposts Of Form
Construction
Radical compassion
https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheWingmakers
Exploring the world of lucid dreaming
There is a lot to unpack here

Funny
A measured step
Catching up
“The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched — they must be felt with the heart”
...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
Final Destination
https://theagnosticforum.com/threads/a- ... /post-1911
Is there ANY experience which can be had, which is NOT subjective?

Another thing which has to be factored in is that consciousness can only experience whatever it interprets via the brain-body [brain inclusive of the nervous system] which produces the signals then interpreted by consciousness.
We know that what the brain is able to sense is limited and does not include the fundamental reality of the universe but only one slice of experience of it, and that slice is is largely conditional upon what the brain-nervous system is able to pick up [signals] and also what the individual consciousness is then able to deduce from that data - so a purely human experience is unaware of the fundamental reality of Reality.
We also know that individual consciousnesses can be freed from the limitation/retardation the brain-nervous system through use of chemicals as well as in circumstances such as OOBEs and NDEs , as well as with disciplines such as deep meditation and Astral related conditions [lucid dreaming et merda.]

JK appreciates that he cannot debunk my particular arguments re a Cosmic Mind [on The Question "Do we exist within a Creation?" but for reasons of his own, still prefers to believe that consciousness is emergent of brains, regardless of the contrary evidence.
Thomas Campbell's T.O.E

William: Yep - the 'in a computer program' analogy...

GM: Choices
*Ghost*
Genetic Mind
UICDevice
“Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game”
William's Job
The Mainstream Program
Hearing External Voices In Your Head
Strength/Strong
A Jump Ahead
Insight
Perennial [lasting or existing for a long or apparently infinite time; enduring or continually recurring.]
Nature
To Be Continued
A GOD can look down on us with disappointment or look through us with understanding
Preparing for the Hunt
Death Phenomena
Mystery Consensus Realities

Vibration
Establishment
Accept
The Kindness of Sleep
*Ghost*
“Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people's thinking.”
One
GOD God Gods gods
Transferring your awareness I Am Hearing You
Mahu Nahi
*Ghost*
Sensing A Life Mission
Myths and Legends
I Know


*Apparel*



William: The soul placed in the stone...The Dohrman Prophecy... Cadriel gets sucked out of his body and placed into one of the giant sky-stones...
Image

GM: Mother Earth Harmony ~
Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions.
*Ghost*
Voice/Message/Communication
Acromyrmex
Advancing the frontier through the hypothesis of GOD

William: Elephant! Haha!

GM: :P
"I see the light I see the Light I see the light now I start again upon the road that never ends
The Theory of Everything
viewtopic.php?p=1085498#p1085498
Nontheist: On your next employee review with the big guy, ask him why he's holding back on the rain and winter snow we need here in the southwest to keep the Colorado river flowing into the reservoirs. That would be doing God's work (if you can get some results ... the Utah governer asking everyone to pray for rain doesn't seem to be doing the trick).
William: I won't make any promises but will put in a word.

If - after doing so - the rains come, will you join me in celebrating answered requests, or just put it down to mindless coincidence?
https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtop ... 58#p578758
GM: "That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process."
What Is Normal?
Mapping Wholeness
Reborn
[Stunning AI shows how it would kill 90%. w Elon Musk.] [RTS=14:00...]

William: Normal - Therefore - Natural
Leaf Ants again... :)

GM:

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[The Father - in The Mother.
Soul Group Energies
Attitude of gratitude
Trust the process
Deliberate and important]

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Re: Generating Messages *APPAREL*

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*APPAREL*

Creator Syndrome Influence
Galaxy
Positivity

William: Creator Syndrome Influence Galaxy Positivity = 516
[516]
“Real” Is Just a Word and Information Is the Currency
Conjunction All The World Are Under the watchful eye
Is the mind a construct of consciousness? Use Mind
Creator Syndrome Influence Galaxy Positivity
Simple interactions between elementary particles

GM:The Wholeness Navigator
Unfolding Nicely
AUM

William: Absolute Unbounded Manifold [Tom Campbell TOE]
The Absolute Unbounded Manifold (AUM) goes by many alternate names, such as All That Is, Source, The One Consciousness, etc. depending upon the context that is being emphasized.
Absolute Unbounded Manifold = 269
[269]
Don’t give up Contact With
Absolute Unbounded Manifold
The Creator Atman Here-and-now
This Translates To That.
Random coincidence? I think not.
There is a lot to unpack here
Successful replications
Unconscious mind inertia

GM:viewtopic.php?p=1070045#p1070045
Understanding that the individuate position most humans are born to experience, the underlying motivation is intentionally selfish because recognition of the importance of the self becomes the initial propellent for all subsequent actions employed.
Failure
viewtopic.php?p=1089180#p1089180
When I began to question theism - specifically The Christianities - it was to do with their imaging of a Creator-GOD and when I made the move away from that, [perhaps largely due to my personality - I was never outspoken] I quietly approached the subject [Creator GOD] rather than simply abandon it "because of" theisms handling of it or any other number of reason as to why folk say they chose to become nontheist.

Which is to say, I did not choose to believe that there was no Creator-GOD simply on account of "theist behaviours" or "reading the bible" [some reasons given by some who have changed position from theist to nontheist] but rather, I chose to examine the question in more detail, and today I am grateful for having made that choice.
Delightful
Un-thought-unately
Any Other Way
Growing Pains
Labyrinthus
Image
"Apparel"
Lift
Contact
Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
How A Beautiful Song Source Reality Exhibits
Innocent Even
Sound holographically organized to make things look real
Visible
All The Same
Christian mythology re God " It helps makes the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience..."
The Human Being
Quest
Start where you are
Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
Fugacious [fleeting.]
Making Up Stories
Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self.

What Are The Chances
"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
Loving-kindness
The unreasonable effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences
viewtopic.php?p=998899#p998899
YHVH also lets slip that he apparently isn't as all-knowing as humans make him out to be as he hears things through the grapevine and if they grab his interest, he takes a closer look.
William’s song "I can laugh along with you"
This Translates To That.
We Can Do Magic!
Vulnerability
"Apparel"
Process
The Power of Prayer
Joining The Main Egregore
Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
Enflame Emotions
A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated
Row your own boat! I AM Will Navigate!
The Spirit of The Land
Near Death Experience
Points of Reference
{I Tried Lucid Dreaming for 30 Days and My Life Will Never Be The Same] [RTS=11:06...]

William: Lucid Dreaming = A simulation with a simulation?

GM:Super Power
Precipitate
Personal growth
“It's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years”
Motor Man why your running, running on overdrive what lies ahead is coming ain’t no way you can step aside ain’t no way you can run and hide
William's Commitment With
Pareidolia Cycles Love Being Born

William: The synchronicities/serendipities are there so why not study them?

GM:What degree of influence do they have on that Mind-Field?
Roller Coaster Ride
"Apparel"
Extra Sensory Perception
Looking into the science of Astral Projection
Tug Of War
"Big" and "small" simply cease to exist....
Individuals
Let the facts speak for themselves
I am always open to being shown any evidence which supports that Idea
Persevere
Listen
Whole-hearted
Gnosticism
Pure soul
Control
Lurking Like Shadows
And That's Not All
Essentially, we are Gaia in Human Form...
Pineal Gland
The Earth Entity
viewtopic.php?p=1079953#p1079953
What you see is what you get.
May The Spirit of The Earth Bless You

The Connection Process
What Meets The Eye
Something you cannot change
"Apparel"
Sovereign
Pirates
Sleep Paralysis
Mantra "I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me."
[Is Life a Game ? Alan Watts about the Happening of Existence] [RTS 2:50...] [having a myopic [Short Sighted] view of what one's "self" is]
Unnecessary Tangent
The nature of understanding
Hyper-normalisation
Syncretism [the amalgamation or attempted amalgamation of different religions, cultures, or schools of thought. the merging of different inflectional varieties of a word during the development of a language.]
Learned

Embracing the shadow
Beautiful Precipitate
Duel
https://news.berkeley.edu/2017/06/13/ne ... -in-pairs/
It is all making sense
The Patupaiarehe

William: As in what I wrote today; {SOURCE}
Theist: The universe isn't self-explanatory. Any material explanation invoked to account for the universe's existence will be part of the universe itself, which will make the materialistic explanation a circular argument. Therefore, it isn't unreasonable to posit the existence of an agency beyond the material universe.
Nontheist: To the bold, I have done just that.
Fairy farts explain the creation of our universe quite nicely. Even explains all the gas!

Now why would a god of sorts be a preferable explanation when compared to a fairy fart?
William: I have discussed your explanation with
Image

And they assure me that they are just as much a part of this universe as the rest of us, so it was NOT them what caused the Universe to be the gaseous, solid thing that it is...

Nor was it the hippopotamus...
Image
The mystery thickens/deepens.
GM:Separation
"Apparel"
Victim Vamp Energy Systems
Adds Up To
"It takes billions of years to perfect perfection"
Consciousness Incarnates
Remember/Memories

All Information Is Channelled.
At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…
That is Correct
viewtopic.php?p=1083062#p1083062
Biologic answers are on the way out, while machine answers come marching in...
"Apparel"
Behind The Scenery
We Exist Infinitely

Enlightenment
Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers Extra evidence is provided
"Apparel"
Never a dull moment
'Test The Waters'
“But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
Image
Pyramid
Visionary
Team
Image
Those are two different things which ought not be confused.
Now isn't the time for tears
The Fine-Tuning argument
Live With
“I love your inspiring work. Keep that up, please.”
viewtopic.php?p=850722#p850722
William: What I think about consciousness in relation reality
Long Story Short Hell
Awareness
Action Consciousness Incarnates Intelligent Directions The Mainstream Program Story-Tellers Trustworthy

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Re: Generating Messages Draft *Cadriel*

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From high above he felt a flow of energy. An invisible current descended upon him. His skin crawled in an indescribable ecstasy as he nearly lost consciousness in the intensity of the feeling. He lurched to the ground and tucked himself into a yielding ball of flesh; his only thought was that he was in the presence of God. His emotions, fully unveiled, responded in uncertainty, surely I am not God’s favourite, he thought. Why would God show himself to me?

Then he heard it; the unmistakable voice of language. Though he couldn’t understand it, he knew without doubt, beings, different from himself, were nearby. The closeness of their presence terrified him and he wanted to stay coiled on the forest floor with his eyes tightly closed, praying for the forest to return to its familiar self.

Then a new sound and light forced him to open his eyes. He saw three shapes, huge stone dropping from the sky into a small clearing between the trees. They were floating down on beams of blue light. Cadriel winched as he watched in wonderment. Then he saw movement below the stones, where tall beings seemed to be guiding the monoliths to the forest floor with wands of light.

Cadriel stood slowly to his feet. Eyes blinking in disbelief, his mind frozen in awe. The three stone, each the size of thirty men, slowly descended to the forest’s floor with a dull thud. Cadriel felt it with an electric shiver. He suddenly knew nothing. It was as if his world had disappeared and he was now a nomad in some unearthly place. He could only watch the spectacle of light that enshrouded the huge monoliths and wonder as to their purpose.

The light bean began to enshroud Cadriel, cloaking him in its garment of golden, soft luminance. He was beginning to feel a new sense of himself, not as a man – a self-possessed fringe dweller, but as an instrument of some vaguely familiar intelligence that was presently welling up inside of him. It was being pulled from him as surely as a bird pulls on a worm, freeing it from its earthly home to enter a new purpose.

Cadriel, in a flash of time, left his body and became part of the light cloud that surrounded him. He was no longer held within the boundaries of a human body but was now part of something infinitely larger and more complex. It was as if he were a mote of dust, suspended in a beam of infinite light, and he had become the light. He understood all parts of his mission for coming to this place, for being human, and for transforming into something he had been prepared for millions of years ago.

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SCLx 10 + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
What science [re materialism] does, is give cause for humans to celebrate the intelligence of consciousness while at the same time ignoring the hard problem of consciousness that this type of science has created for its supporters. - The blurry line of the neutral zone - The Ancient Grey Entity - Divergence [the state of going in different directions; separating.] - viewtopic.php?p=1066664#p1066664 Nazi Space Agenda - Image - Appealing, Informative, Honest - Fastidious [very attentive to and concerned about accuracy and detail.] - The Ride - Computer Coding -

AP= [=In Training For...
"You don’t wanna cross that bridge , You don’t want the other side"]

[In Training For... You don’t wanna cross that bridge , You don’t want the other side = 797]
[Seven Nine Seven = 172]
[172]
Final Destination
Self-realization
Strength of Mind
Expansiveness
Dualic Energies Weak
Sola Scriptura
Calling the shots
Radical compassion
The age of word-games
In the back of my mind
William and QueenBee
Militant messiah
Active Imagination
Williams songs
Dogmatic attitude
Biblical Prophesy
Steady as she goes....

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Page 334
GM: Intention
Discipline
Species Collective
“We're a nation of exhausted and over-stressed adults raising over-scheduled children.”
Dream Village
Desynchronized Mind Body Soul Ruling your world
"And the wind will blow my tears away"
viewtopic.php?p=1092465#p1092465
Equal System
Innocent Sovereign
Divine masculine
Tardigrades
Music to my ears
viewtopic.php?p=1090368#p1090368
On The Right Track

Umwelt Courageous
viewtopic.php?p=1091568#p1091568
Builders
The Philosopher's Stone

Queen Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor
Words
Seductive Light
viewtopic.php?p=1089189#p1089189
The Divine Spiritual Family
Equity Unconscious Mind Inertia Honest attempts at scrubbing up
One
Makes Candles Look Gathered
Infinite Quantum Zen
Is it possible that the infinitesimal super hot object preceding the Big Bang, didn't in fact contain the vastness of the matter within our universe but rather, was the event in which the energy from the blast resulted in the formation of Galaxies and everything else which we call "The Universe" from the field of inert material which already existed as 'space'? Matter + Energy + Space = Time.
Keep me in The Loop
viewtopic.php?p=1089777#p1089777
Duality.
The sun
In The Family Of
Transforming The Anger Energy
Seeds are evidence that something large can derive from something tiny.
Inter-Dependent
Copy
Unfolding Nicely
“Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”
Ipsissimus
Trenchant
Ooky Spooky
Please place this on your ComList
Recognise
viewtopic.php?p=1075267#p1075267
1501 [Are Close Save That]

*Cadriel*
Hope in the Fog

https://wizardforums.com/threads/willia ... #post-7642
Also it is apparent to me that ones 'mind' is vaster than we are led to believe...and that there are many levels of consciousness beyond our own, and that we are all connected mindfully in ways which we do not easily comprehend.
This system I am using can help the individual connect with the larger reality of the over-mind.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... p?t=288472
My own approach in initially using such device was on the assumption I was communicating with ‘the dead’ and through continued use over many months this understanding changed as I was lead to understand that I was communicating with an intelligent aspect of my self to which I had previously been totally ignorant about.

It was actually this other aspect of my self which ‘broke the news’ to me regarding this.

Importantly, opinions I have read up on regarding the ‘unconscious’ or ‘subconscious’ do not report these things to being conscious or intelligent. They are merely aspects of a person’s consciousness which are working internally and quietly in the background as part of the overall necessity of human function and ability.
"On the off-chance A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind"
The Thalamocortical System
Exploring
"Who Am I"
viewtopic.php?p=1069825#p1069825
Keep it simple.
https://theagnosticforum.com/threads/wh ... /post-1783
I see now that my explanation could have been better, but even so, my argument is still valid
Couple
The practice of vipassana [meditation involving concentration on the body or its sensations, or the insight which this provides.]
The Great White Brotherhood [in belief systems akin to Theosophy and New Age, are said to be perfected beings of great power who spread spiritual teachings through selected humans]
*Cadriel*
Opening Doors
Shape
Do this
Anterior Commissure [is a white matter tract (a bundle of axons) connecting the two temporal lobes of the cerebral hemispheres across the midline, and placed in front of the columns of the fornix. ]
https://wizardforums.com/threads/willia ... post-14193
Lou: Yesterday i had a sort of bubble in my head, at least thats how it felt. Then a voice asked are you conscious, i said yes. Then the voice said then that bubble is consciousness.
Under the watchful eye and guiding arm of YHWH
WingMakers Materials
As well as that pot of gold...
viewtopic.php?p=1093698#p1093698
Nontheist: The problems caused by evil, as a valid problem even if not a real thing existing apart from humans, remain, and are still a problem for humans, though not a problem for a god, nor caused by one.
William: Therefore, the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world, is illusionary.
viewtopic.php?p=1087668#p1087668
The Neutral Zone
Express your feelings
Actions speak louder than words
Emergent
A defunct debate
It is obviously in line with providence...

1515 [We help each other]


GM: The Big Shift
Science of Consciousness
Let It Be And So Be It
Who Knows
viewtopic.php?p=1089611#p1089611
The changes have come about through identifying actions which damage others, and seeking to do something about that.
Enmity [a state or feeling of active opposition or hostility.]
viewtopic.php?p=1092369#p1092369
One has to consider what the box represents.

It is not Schrodinger's cat but Schrodinger's box which creates the problem.

The box veils information.
Sovereignty
Sagacious [having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgement; wise or shrewd.]
Convenient
Episteme [a philosophical term that refers to a principled system of understanding; scientific knowledge.]
Enlighten
*Cadriel*
That
Black
Be authentic
Time Does Not Exist Within an Eternal Reality.
Invisible Bridge
ImagePrecognitive
Accidents will happen.
Long Story Short
Economic
Far Out!

Righty Oh!
Sweet Illumination
William's Job
Entities of Particular Belief Systems The bright spark illuminating the darkness
Be Taught
I see no solution to said problem coming from either theist or atheist positions.
What's The Problem?
A complex and tricky undertaking...
viewtopic.php?p=1066664#p1066664 Nazi Space Agenda
*Cadriel*
Completely
Integration

Consider This
Quite
Image
Miracles
*Cadriel*
Radiate Honesty
viewtopic.php?p=1072795#p1072795
There are as many beliefs in "God" as there are humans who have beliefs in "God".

It isn't so much how the individual dresses up their image of "God" that is important, but rather - that the idea of "God" in relation to the individuals experience [which can only be subjective] within this mysterious universe is as natural as the universe itself, and a perfectly acceptable thing for consciousness to be thinking about.
viewtopic.php?p=1083234#p1083234
Why separate all things? The universe is One Thing. [That's the 'uni' part of the word.]
The Butterfly Effect Music to my ears Lean into it
Evolutionary Game Theory
Evolutionary game theory studies the behavior of large populations of agents who repeatedly engage in strategicinteractions. Changes in behavior in these populations are driven either by natural selection via differences in birth and death rates, or by theapplication of myopic decision rules by individual agents.
Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind
Expectant
Letting Go
Zeitgeist [the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time.]
The Mother is Love
Keen
Clean
A Sturdy Place
Dying
*Cadriel*
Digging deep
The Ouroboros does not contradict the idea of Oneness, higher self and the cosmic mind.
Spiritual Awakening
Here-and-now
viewtopic.php?p=1070557#p1070557
Check out the image @ 1:48
Image

Opening Doors Easy To Find
Salute and get to it
viewtopic.php?p=1092250#p1092250
As the story goes, the parental figure was the voice in the garden - attributed through biblical association, to being that of YHWH.

Problematic to that is the idea of danger and the apparently safe haven of the garden. The two dangerous-to-human entities in the garden, were the God [visiting now and then] and the Serpent [temporary fixture].
*Cadriel*
[Is Life a Game ? Alan Watts about the Happening of Existence] [RTS=8:02] "We are all constant patterns"
Intelligence With Wisdom

Light Body
The Body of God
"I am unclear as to what point you are making which is contrary to my own."
Smart
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Against the grain Beaming Out Beaming In
Feel your feelings
*Cadriel*
viewtopic.php?p=1089671#p1089671
William:The Development of Group Hallucination An Objective = 507
[507]
Is there a center to every object in this universe?
The Butterfly Effect Music to my ears Lean into it
The situation we find ourselves lost within
Everybody wants to rule the world syndrome
It doesn't seem the kind of thing that any GOD would do
GM: A measured step
Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing
Large Elemental Powers
*Cadriel*
What is "wisdom" to some is "spam" to others Rest When Weary Making friends with your mind Amidst a tangled web
Universal Intelligence
Particular
My Kind of Fun Anyway

Image
What Is Found Here
viewtopic.php?p=1070402#p1070402
There is always somewhere to go. Testing it out for starters.
If:
There is a mind behind creation
THEN:
We ought be able to communicate with it, using whatever physical devices we can create in order to do so.
...and the way forward, eyes wide open
Without Comparison
*Cadriel*
One Free Miracle
viewtopic.php?p=1088936#p1088936
[354]
Living Forever In this Universe
All present and correct Heart Teachers
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
"Sorry. Would you clarify that?"
Rationality Central to The Message
Break through to your true self
To establish the skills necessary
They just add ambiance to the spooky...
viewtopic.php?p=1067891#p1067891
The following is evidence;

Wisdom is evident in The Universe existing = 466
Humans were designed to have God-consciousness = 466
When I look at my art I am looking into a mirror = 466
Discovery is finding something that exists. = 466

The fact that these word-strings add up to the same value, and coherently support the ideas being presented, is evidence of a mindful/purposeful order about The Universe ...the question then being;

Q: Is it therefore acceptable to conclude that such being the case, then there is wisdom and righteousness involved in hiding the truth within the structure of the sound of human language to be unlocked by a simple number-value algorithm?
This Is My Kind Of Fun
Stepping out of the construct

Acceptance
Hacking through the subconsciousness
*Cadriel*
Be transparent Respect yourself Self-respect The Mother and The Father
viewtopic.php?p=1070110#p1070110
Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”
[Attributed to YHVH]
viewtopic.php?p=1069704#p1069704
Again - the discussion being had here shows me that beliefs to do with the age of the Universe are secondary in relevant importance to the fact of its existence and our existence within it.

Re: the OPQ: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

No more or less crazy than the notion of the Universe being a Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation produced and processed within the mind of The Father God - and furthermore, this idea does not go against The Script...scripture being scant on the details has to do with its focus being on The Creator re the Human element of the story - rather than specifically The Creation...and in that regard, 'a blink of an eye' and '13.8 billion years' amount to exactly the same thing in relation to said Mind.
Notice too, that the Biblical take on the existence of life on Earth, does not acknowledge the Dinosaurs

Search: What does the word Dinosaur mean
Sir Richard Owen came up with the name dinosaur in 1841 to describe the fossils of extinct reptiles. He coined the word by combining the Greek words “deinos”, which means terrible, and “sauros”, which means lizard.


As near to this as the bible story gets, is The Serpent...is that a coincidence or something linking prehistory with human development?
The Healing Power
Finding ways in which to try and fix the problem of human perceptions re "GOD"


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Tributes at the gate
To Be Sovereignty
Positive self-talk
Stay in the moment
Walk The Talk In Love
Be kind to yourself
Sweet Vibrations

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Re: Generating Messages *Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*

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Opinions formed on very narrow fields of observation
Acknowledging the evidence is where the tributaries converge
Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing
Though the Serpent rules the Shadow The Lord Here-and-now

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*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing* = 576

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SCLx14 + select last LE per shuffle

[Preamble]
viewtopic.php?p=1076090#p1076090 - Who wouldn't want that, if it were there on offer? - Letting Go and Getting On - Prometheus - Go - Disclosure of Knowledge - First Light - Righty Oh! - Our Neutral Ground Making friends with your mind - Asleep or awake for the give or the take Its a good ship that sails these cosmos - https://theagnosticforum.com/threads/do ... 4/post-756 - The Spirit of the Land - From the link - Putting yourself back together again

AP= [Can You Answer This?
[Marilyn vos Savant] [RTS=10:04]

William: I am doing the best I can in the moment...

[Can You Answer This? https://w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=-3-7Ydt4d3A = 638]
[The external cannot be known as acutely as the internal can be known = 638]

RSP = SCLx + *Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing* + P&P + Quote Page 576

10:17 [Quantum Jumping]

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GM:
Centre of Learning
Your Connection With
Tempting Vision
Word-String
I love you Like Every Seed That Followed
Yellow Light
The Crabwood Cropcircle
The Never Ending Story
Nomenclature
Tabula Rasa

Joke/Humour "Anti theism Equals "And?""
Encouraging Indication
Under the watchful eye
Conjunction
On the off-chance
Near Death Experience
For The Purpose Of
Zero In On It
Keep me in The Loop Little Bird Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always
The beauty of imperfection
Have One For Me
Life Principles of Sovereign Integral
Feel Be Still.
Transforming
Power of Silence
The Way We Feel Unification
Miraculous
Animistic
Giving birth
Evaluate.
https://media.giphy.com/media/tCcNQX6A8 ... /giphy.gif
Brahman
Good Here There Evil
A safe pair of hands
Self-confidence Core
Self-Awareness The two million year old mind that's in all of us. Stuff Happens
Regimented
Of The Human Being
Reaction
Little Self
viewtopic.php?p=1089611#p1089611
Sharing Your Love Without Comparison
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*

GM: Without and Within
The Father - in The Mother.
viewtopic.php?p=930074#p930074
But anyway, I know from personal experience that jumping outside the system (which is basically the idea of the 'forsake' stuff) does work, and does lead one to some amazing insights etc, but the idea was never for GOD to provide manna from heaven or some safe haven where the 'man' couldn't touch you. The idea was, that given enough people willing to share whatever they had without cost and for the sake of something better which could be achieved through that, the 'man' would lose all power and influence over the majority and the world would move in a completely different trajectory than it did.
Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright.

William: I've traveled on these southern roads they've taken me to many...answers to my questions...

GM: The Clear Eye Of Soul
The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.
Timeless
Smarter
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Astrobiology [the branch of biology concerned with the study of life on earth and in space.]
*Nods*
Manipulation
The power of humility
Illuminating
Alive
Wide
Of The Human Being
Loyalty
The beauty of imperfection
Lojong [The practice involves refining and purifying one's motivations and attitudes.]
The lookout/screamout guy
The evolution of the understanding of the idea of GOD
William: From my own experience and perspective on that, my understanding of the idea of GOD developed alongside my intellect and with this, the ability to comprehend and appreciate a more fuller, wider, deeper overall picture of what is most likely going on in relation to that.

When as a child, GOD for me just seemed to be someone that existed but to whom I had no particular connection or disconnection.
I was not indifferent, just accepting in an attitude of presumption and matter-of-factness.

When I converted through the repentance process (around 17 ½ years of age) it was from that moment on when I experienced 'strange' things, out of the ordinary - (and although I had no knowledge of such at the time) related to OOBE experiences.

So in relation to that, I was coming to the 'Father' through the 'Son' or to say that another way, the Idea of GOD as a 'Father' was made available to my understanding through the Son.
GM:Assigned
The Physical Universe
In The Team Of The Collective
Limitations or Liberations
Carrier Identity
[How Did Humans Become Earth's Dominant Species?][RTS=7:54]
Gateway Luminous
“I love your inspiring work. Keep that up, please.”
Optimum Health Appreciating

[Harnessing The Power Of Information][RTS=7:39]
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
What Shall We Call It?
Raphael ~
Dreamer
The simplest explanations for why we are here and what we are doing
Advantage
A knight in shining armour Manipulation
What can I say, except "Thank You"
Runestone Symbol

William: Raidho
Raidho is indicative of a journey and represents a wheel. This could be both physical travel, as in a holiday or house move, or a spiritual voyage in the expansion of your horizons. It can also indicate things being put into perspective, evolution and the cycle of life.
KEYWORDS: Progress, movement, evolution, perspective, journey, travel

GM: The Astral Body
Ocean
Shaman
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom ... 0016-5.pdf
Balance of power
ARAB-ISRAELI MILITARY BALANCE of the present balance of power and this will slow our effort to develop sound conclusions about the balance ... CIA-RDP80M01133A000800070004-0 The Arab-Israeli Balance of Power in the id-19"Os Purpose and scone. a. This estimate ... in thE' interim.,b. The Arab-Israeli balance of power by the end of' the ten-year period will depend ...
THE SHIFTING IMAGE OF THE EAST-WEST BALANCE OF POWER SUMMARY
OF THE EAST-NEST BALANCE OF POWER SUMMARY A factor of potentially great significance in the East-West power ... important people now view the world balance of power as having shifted in favor of the USSR; they no longer ... the power balance actually shifts or not, the world's image of it may do as much to create an imbalance ...
et al
Important
Journey Communication is key Connect

William: Important Journey = 234
[234]
Vortex Television
The Mainstream Program
The Hounds of Judgement
The Ghost is acknowledged
The Mother is his Muse...
The hologram of deception
That’s the way I fire up
Important Journey
Try Different Methods

GM: A Bit Of Both Yes

10:57 [The Last Question]

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