The Atonement

[Revelations won]

To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

[myth-one.com]

To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

The wages of sin is the second death, and all have sinned, and all are headed for the second death. What to do?

Atonement is a mechanism to eliminate the consequences of sin. And sin is the transgression of God's law or commandments.

Atonement was absolutely required to have everlasting life under the Old Testament because the wages of sin is death.
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But under the New Testament, the path to everlasting life is obtained by believing in Jesus:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And the scriptures confirm that sin no longer controls our salvation:

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

So under the New Testament Covenant, we are no longer under the law, because everlasting life is simply a free gift of God to those who believe in Jesus.

Believers will gain everlasting life at the Second Coming when born again of the Spirit (God) as an immortal spiritual bodied being (that which is born of the Spirit is spirit).

If we believe in Jesus we will gain everlasting life regardless of the number of sins imputed against us!

And upon gaining everlasting life, death no longer applies to us ever again -- as being immortal, we cannot die!


Thus, atonement is absolutely not required to gain salvation from the wages of sin according to the scriptures!

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #620]

You still didnt answer it. You scared

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #620]
You still didn't answer it. You scared?

Hebrews 10:3-4
But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The offering that perfected them that are sanctified for ever is Jesus' inheritance of everlasting life which He is due for living a sinless human life.

The wages of sin is death, but He never sinned, thus He has an inheritance of everlasting life -- which He offers to us that are sanctified by believing in Him as our Savior.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[Brightfame52]

You still answering scared. Don't worry about it!

[Revelations won]

Dear JW,s,

It is obvious that you deny the divinity of Jesus the Christ.

1. Can you explain your doctrine that one mortal can atone for the sins of another?

2. Can you explain how one mortal can be the only name wherein all mankind can be saved and exalted?

3. Can you explain how a mere mortal has the power to render all judgement over all mankind and yet not be a God?

Kind regards,
RW

[myth-one.com]

Is this thread now closed to those who are not JWs?

[Brightfame52]

Christ's One Offering Sanctified forever those He died for !

Jesus says of those He died for Jn 17:19

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.


This here Christ sanctifying Himself has to do with offering Himself in Death, and by this, He sanctifies those He died for, this is confirmation of Heb 10:10. Notice Jesus said that they may be sanctified in the Truth. So Part of Christ's effects of His Death, is that those whom He died for, should be sanctified through the Truth ! The Holy Spirit is given to Him for that Purpose, remember Acts 2:33, so each person Christ's died for, and prayed that they should be sanctified through the Truth, the Holy Spirit effects that 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Yes, the Holy Spirit performs this work, however its because of the merits of Christ's Death and how it sanctifies those He died for ! 8

[myth-one.com]

Christ's One Offering Sanctified forever those He died for !

Jesus says of those He died for Jn 17:19

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.


This here Christ sanctifying Himself has to do with offering Himself in Death, and by this, He sanctifies those He died for, this is confirmation of Heb 10:10. Notice Jesus said that they may be sanctified in the Truth. So Part of Christ's effects of His Death, is that those whom He died for, should be sanctified through the Truth ! The Holy Spirit is given to Him for that Purpose, remember Acts 2:33, so each person Christ's died for, and prayed that they should be sanctified through the Truth, the Holy Spirit effects that 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Yes, the Holy Spirit performs this work, however its because of the merits of Christ's Death and how it sanctifies those He died for ! 8

Sanctified: free from sin.

Jesus remained free from sin and thus became the only person to do so under the Old Testament Covenant.

Thus He is an inheritor of everlasting life under that Covenant.

He then offers His inheritance as a gift to those who believe in Him as their Savior under the New Testament Covenant.

He was not a human sacrifice as you claim. Every human is appointed once to. His death on the cross was his one time appointed death as a result of His being born of the flesh as a human man.

[Brightfame52]

Christ's One Offering Sanctified forever those He died for !

Jesus says of those He died for Jn 17:19

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.


This here Christ sanctifying Himself has to do with offering Himself in Death, and by this, He sanctifies those He died for, this is confirmation of Heb 10:10. Notice Jesus said that they may be sanctified in the Truth. So Part of Christ's effects of His Death, is that those whom He died for, should be sanctified through the Truth ! The Holy Spirit is given to Him for that Purpose, remember Acts 2:33, so each person Christ's died for, and prayed that they should be sanctified through the Truth, the Holy Spirit effects that 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Yes, the Holy Spirit performs this work, however its because of the merits of Christ's Death and how it sanctifies those He died for ! 8

Sanctified: free from sin.

Jesus remained free from sin and thus became the only person to do so under the Old Testament Covenant.

Thus He is an inheritor of everlasting life under that Covenant.

He then offers His inheritance as a gift to those who believe in Him as their Savior under the New Testament Covenant.

He was not a human sacrifice as you claim. Every human is appointed once to. His death on the cross was his one time appointed death as a result of His being born of the flesh as a human man.

Jesus death made them He died for free from sin. Rom 6:22

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

[myth-one.com]

Dear JW,s,

It is obvious that you deny the divinity of Jesus the Christ.

Good for them -- they are correct. Jesus was a man.

1. Can you explain your doctrine that one mortal can atone for the sins of another?

Romans 5:
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

2. Can you explain how one mortal can be the only name wherein all mankind can be saved and exalted?

Because He is only human who ever qualified for everlasting life under the Old Testament Covenant.

Adam was the only man around who could sin -- and he did so.

Jesus was the only man to never commit a sin -- thus gaining Him an inheritance of everlasting life -- which He could do with as He desires.

3. Can you explain how a mere mortal has the power to render all judgement over all mankind and yet not be a God?

A mere mortal cannot do so. The Word will do that.

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Disclaimer: Not being a JW, I'm not sure that the above reflects their beliefs.