Who is correct, Paul or the Philosophers?

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Who is correct, Paul or the Philosophers?

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The following verses are often presented by some Christians as evidence that everyone knows God exists:
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
There are however many Christian theists who rely on and present in debate one or more of the many so-called Arguments for the Existence of God.

Would these arguments be needed if Paul is right in his claim from Romans 1?


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Re: Who is correct, Paul or the Philosophers?

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brunumb wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:21 am
1213 wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:55 am We don't have any real evidence for that things could not have gone as the Bible tells. Theory made by humans is not an evidence for that things didn't go as the Bible tells.
And the Bible is not evidence of anything. It is merely a book of claims.
It is evidence for that people may have experienced the things told in the Bible. If things went as told in the Bible, we would have the Bible as evidence for it. If thing didn't go as told, we probably would not have it. And I don't think we would have Bible without God, because people are too evil and ignorant to make it on their own.

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Re: Who is correct, Paul or the Philosophers?

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1213 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:35 am
brunumb wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:21 am
1213 wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:55 am We don't have any real evidence for that things could not have gone as the Bible tells. Theory made by humans is not an evidence for that things didn't go as the Bible tells.
And the Bible is not evidence of anything. It is merely a book of claims.
It is evidence for that people may have experienced the things told in the Bible. If things went as told in the Bible, we would have the Bible as evidence for it. If thing didn't go as told, we probably would not have it. And I don't think we would have Bible without God, because people are too evil and ignorant to make it on their own.
There is nothing in the Bible that could not have been written entirely by human beings without the involvement of any God. The same can be said of all alleged holy books.
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Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.

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