Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2559]

"Experiential Reality, "

That is what it is. "A reality we are experiencing". To differentiate as the realities are differentiated. Such as in "Heaven" and "The Physical Universe" are.

I think I understand your point. In any case yes, the earth and the heavens are biblically different.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

HEAVEN , THE 144, 000 and ... THE MILLENIUM

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2559]

"Experiential Reality, "

That is what it is. "A reality we are experiencing". To differentiate as the realities are differentiated. Such as in "Heaven" and "The Physical Universe" are.

I think I understand your point. In any case yes, the earth and the heavens are biblically different.

The Earth and the Heavens are experienced as different, yes.

If folk want the one forever and not the other, they are welcome to their belief.
If their choices were limited to only one or nothing, then I question the validity of the belief as a case of being something accepted, simply because it is better than the alternative,
which is nothing.

[Revelations won]

Dear onewithhim,

After reviewing the various replies I I see some good points and some not so good. While opinions differ on this topic I suspect that there is a most important fundamental question that should be understood and answered correctly.

DID GOD THE FATHER IN ALL HIS WISDOM AND ALL KNOWING PLAN, INTEND FOR US AS HIS SPIRIT CHILDREN TO BE TRIED AND TESTED AS MORTAL BEINGS? IN OTHER WORDS IS MORTALITY A PART AND PARCEL OF HIS DIVINE PLAN?

What is your response to this question?

Kind regards,
RW

[JehovahsWitness]

Dear onewithhim,

After reviewing the various replies I I see some good points and some not so good. While opinions differ on this topic I suspect that there is a most important fundamental question that should be understood and answered correctly.

DID GOD THE FATHER IN ALL HIS WISDOM AND ALL KNOWING PLAN, INTEND FOR US AS HIS SPIRIT CHILDREN TO BE TRIED AND TESTED AS MORTAL BEINGS? IN OTHER WORDS IS MORTALITY A PART AND PARCEL OF HIS DIVINE PLAN?

What is your response to this question?

Kind regards,
RW

You asked the same question HERE
viewtopic.php?p=1091401#p1091401



There are a number of dubious premises in your queston and you will have to define your terms before I can respond with any degree of accuracy.


You speak of "a plan" but there is a difference between a plan and a purpose, we more acccurately speak of Gods original PURPOSE, when refuring to his intentions towards humans.

• What is the difference between a plan and a purpose? [this post]
  http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 91#p836491

The bible indicates God is selective in his foreknowledge so it would be somewhat misleading to refer to his "all knowing plan" ; when God does plan he can consider every possible eventuality (and adapt accordingly to ensure success) but the way you put it implies he knew every decision individuals concerned would make and on thas we cannot agree.


I am also confused as to your reference to his "spirit children" as by our understanding that would be the angels. Humans being his human "children" at best.


If all of the above is implied in your final question, then I personally feel it best not to respond until you have clarified or removed the objectionable elements. Simple is sometimes best when it comes to asking questions.

DID GOD CREATE HUMANS TO EVENTUALLY DIE?


No. Gods original purpose was that humans live forever on earth.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

LIFE, DEATH and ...THE PURPOSE OF LIFE

[onewithhim]

Dear onewithhim,

After reviewing the various replies I I see some good points and some not so good. While opinions differ on this topic I suspect that there is a most important fundamental question that should be understood and answered correctly.

DID GOD THE FATHER IN ALL HIS WISDOM AND ALL KNOWING PLAN, INTEND FOR US AS HIS SPIRIT CHILDREN TO BE TRIED AND TESTED AS MORTAL BEINGS? IN OTHER WORDS IS MORTALITY A PART AND PARCEL OF HIS DIVINE PLAN?

What is your response to this question?

Kind regards,
RW

You asked the same question HERE
viewtopic.php?p=1091401#p1091401



There are a number of dubious premises in your queston and you will have to define your terms before I can respond with any degree of accuracy.


You speak of "a plan" but there is a difference between a plan and a purpose, we more acccurately speak of Gods original PURPOSE, when refuring to his intentions towards humans.

• What is the difference between a plan and a purpose? [this post]
  http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 91#p836491

The bible indicates God is selective in his foreknowledge so it would be somewhat misleading to refer to his "all knowing plan" ; when God does plan he can consider every possible eventuality (and adapt accordingly to ensure success) but the way you put it implies he knew every decision individuals concerned would make and on thas we cannot agree.


I am also confused as to your reference to his "spirit children" as by our understanding that would be the angels. Humans being his human "children" at best.


If all of the above is implied in your final question, then I personally feel it best not to respond until you have clarified or removed the objectionable elements. Simple is sometimes best when it comes to asking questions.

DID GOD CREATE HUMANS TO EVENTUALLY DIE?


No. Gods original purpose was that humans live forever on earth.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

LIFE, DEATH and ...THE PURPOSE OF LIFE

I hope many people will avail themselves of your excellent reasoning here. It would be so nice to have drive-by folks make a comment or two about this Biblical topic.

[onewithhim]

Dear onewithhim,

After reviewing the various replies I I see some good points and some not so good. While opinions differ on this topic I suspect that there is a most important fundamental question that should be understood and answered correctly.

DID GOD THE FATHER IN ALL HIS WISDOM AND ALL KNOWING PLAN, INTEND FOR US AS HIS SPIRIT CHILDREN TO BE TRIED AND TESTED AS MORTAL BEINGS? IN OTHER WORDS IS MORTALITY A PART AND PARCEL OF HIS DIVINE PLAN?

What is your response to this question?

Kind regards,
RW

Yes, it was God's purpose that his physical children will be tested as mortal beings; they would pass or fail depending on what they did about showing love and respect for their loving Creator. Jehovah's spirit children were never made into physical children.

[Revelations won]

Dear onewithhim’

I am sorry the below question is so confusing to you. Also I apologize for not responding sooner.

“DID GOD THE FATHER IN ALL HIS WISDOM AND ALL KNOWING PLAN, INTEND FOR US AS HIS SPIRIT CHILDREN TO BE TRIED AND TESTED AS MORTAL BEINGS? IN OTHER WORDS IS MORTALITY A PART AND PARCEL OF HIS DIVINE PLAN?”

Per your request I will break this down to the most simple questions.

First, Do you accept that God the Father is indeed the father of our spirit bodies as the scriptures declare?

Kind regards,
RW

[onewithhim]

Dear onewithhim’

I am sorry the below question is so confusing to you. Also I apologize for not responding sooner.

“DID GOD THE FATHER IN ALL HIS WISDOM AND ALL KNOWING PLAN, INTEND FOR US AS HIS SPIRIT CHILDREN TO BE TRIED AND TESTED AS MORTAL BEINGS? IN OTHER WORDS IS MORTALITY A PART AND PARCEL OF HIS DIVINE PLAN?”

Per your request I will break this down to the most simple questions.

First, Do you accept that God the Father is indeed the father of our spirit bodies as the scriptures declare?

Kind regards,
RW

I was not confused, and I answered you.

[DJT_47]

Paradise is not on earth nor will be. Paradise is the 3rd Heaven.

2 Cor 12:1-4

1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

[onewithhim]

Paradise is not on earth nor will be. Paradise is the 3rd Heaven.

2 Cor 12:1-4

1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Paradise will be on the Earth. This cannot be refuted, as there are many references to this throughout the Bible.

Psalm 37:9-11 and verse 29
Isaiah 11:6-9
Matthew 5:5