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Scientific thinking and common sense

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I have noticed that sometimes people with a scientific mind, people who have studied a lot and know a lot of information about different sciences, do not notice simple things that do not escape the attention of ordinary people, even if they have studied less or almost nothing.

For example, the fact that the animals that evolutionists call "lower" in the evolutionary scale still live alongside humans, and that others supposedly fitter, because they are located in a higher position in the evolutionary line of man, no longer exist.

Evolutionary theory holds that as animals progressed up the evolutionary scale, they became more capable of surviving. Why, then, is the “inferior” ape family still in existence, but not a single one of the presumed intermediate forms, which were supposed to be more advanced in evolution? Today we see chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans, but no “ape-men.” Does it seem likely that every one of the more recent and supposedly more advanced “links” between apelike creatures and modern man should have become extinct, but not the lower apes? https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101985017

To what extent do you think the "wisdom" of this system of things can cloud a person's mind?

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Re: Scientific thinking and common sense

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brunumb wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:31 am
kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:36 pm That is why God sent his son with truth. I shared 8 important teachings from Jesus in my thread-The real Jesus under Theology, that clearly shows who has him.
In case you didn't understand, let me repeat. Everyone who ever believed in something that was false also relied on faith. It is a useless tool for determining what is true. Your acceptance of the alleged teachings is purely based on faith. If you disagree, please demonstrate that they are irrefutably true.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:49 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:48 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:16 pm No religion that rejects Jesus as Gods son has God with them, thus do not have truth.
How can we confirm you speak truth in this matter?
God requires--Faith.
So do con men.

So I ask again, how can we know the religious beliefs - the faith you hold are right, and others are wrong?

The teachings of Jesus prove it.

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:38 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:49 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:48 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:16 pm No religion that rejects Jesus as Gods son has God with them, thus do not have truth.
How can we confirm you speak truth in this matter?
God requires--Faith.
So do con men.

So I ask again, how can we know the religious beliefs - the faith you hold are right, and others are wrong?

The teachings of Jesus prove it.
Please do us the courtesy of explaining exactly how the teachings of Jesus prove it, here.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.

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Re: Scientific thinking and common sense

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brunumb wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:01 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:38 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:49 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:48 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:16 pm No religion that rejects Jesus as Gods son has God with them, thus do not have truth.
How can we confirm you speak truth in this matter?
God requires--Faith.
So do con men.

So I ask again, how can we know the religious beliefs - the faith you hold are right, and others are wrong?

The teachings of Jesus prove it.
Please do us the courtesy of explaining exactly how the teachings of Jesus prove it, here.

He is Gods son, he brought truth. In every translation on earth his teachings are unaltered-Except the word Earth -Land at Matt 5:5-- Certain religions tell all they are going to heaven, but its not what Jesus taught, thus changed the word from earth to land. I have a thread- the real Jesus-)8 teachings that show who is who-under Theology.

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Re: Scientific thinking and common sense

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:49 pm
brunumb wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:01 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:38 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:49 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:48 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:16 pm No religion that rejects Jesus as Gods son has God with them, thus do not have truth.
How can we confirm you speak truth in this matter?
God requires--Faith.
So do con men.

So I ask again, how can we know the religious beliefs - the faith you hold are right, and others are wrong?

The teachings of Jesus prove it.
Please do us the courtesy of explaining exactly how the teachings of Jesus prove it, here.

He is Gods son, he brought truth. In every translation on earth his teachings are unaltered-Except the word Earth -Land at Matt 5:5-- Certain religions tell all they are going to heaven, but its not what Jesus taught, thus changed the word from earth to land. I have a thread- the real Jesus-)8 teachings that show who is who-under Theology.
All we have is the assertion that he is God's son. We don't have anything written by Jesus himself or from the time of his alleged mission, so for all we know those 'teachings' are just the work of others with their own agenda.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:49 pm
He is Gods son, he brought truth. In every translation on earth his teachings are unaltered-Except the word Earth -Land at Matt 5:5-- Certain religions tell all they are going to heaven, but its not what Jesus taught, thus changed the word from earth to land. I have a thread- the real Jesus-)8 teachings that show who is who-under Theology.
From your thread:
1) trinity christians think he is God come in the flesh
2) Muslims think he was just a prophet
3)Israelite thinks he got his power from demons
4) The true followers know that God sent Jesus as the Messiah, Gods son, not God.

The most likely option is #5: He was just an itinerant preacher who got himself killed and others used as a springboard to start a new religion.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.

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kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:49 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:48 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:16 pm No religion that rejects Jesus as Gods son has God with them, thus do not have truth.
How can we confirm you speak truth in this matter?


God requires--Faith.
Well that doesn't work.

Did you not know that faith is a requirement in order to believe in things that are false?
Want to believe in Bigfoot? Apply faith.
Nessie? Yup, faith again.
Alien abductions? Yup, faith.
Allah?
Vishnu and on and on?

Granted, a person could apply faith in something and that something could turn out to be a real thing. Either way, faith is NOT a valid way to arrive a truth claims as it is literally needed in order to believe in something false.

Therefore, to believe in anything due to faith is not a valid reason to hold said belief.
It is the best that religions have to offer though. Telling, no?
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

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Re: Scientific thinking and common sense

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kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:49 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:48 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:16 pm No religion that rejects Jesus as Gods son has God with them, thus do not have truth.
How can we confirm you speak truth in this matter?


God requires--Faith.
And faith is the excuse people give for believing something when they don't have evidence. No biggie, but it does put god in the same boat as Santa and the Easter Bunny.

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brunumb wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:53 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:49 pm
brunumb wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:01 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:38 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:49 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:48 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:16 pm No religion that rejects Jesus as Gods son has God with them, thus do not have truth.
How can we confirm you speak truth in this matter?
God requires--Faith.
So do con men.

So I ask again, how can we know the religious beliefs - the faith you hold are right, and others are wrong?

The teachings of Jesus prove it.
Please do us the courtesy of explaining exactly how the teachings of Jesus prove it, here.

He is Gods son, he brought truth. In every translation on earth his teachings are unaltered-Except the word Earth -Land at Matt 5:5-- Certain religions tell all they are going to heaven, but its not what Jesus taught, thus changed the word from earth to land. I have a thread- the real Jesus-)8 teachings that show who is who-under Theology.
All we have is the assertion that he is God's son. We don't have anything written by Jesus himself or from the time of his alleged mission, so for all we know those 'teachings' are just the work of others with their own agenda.

There is only 2 paths--one who listens to Jesus and those who dont.

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Re: Scientific thinking and common sense

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Clownboat wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:23 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:49 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:48 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:16 pm No religion that rejects Jesus as Gods son has God with them, thus do not have truth.
How can we confirm you speak truth in this matter?


God requires--Faith.
Well that doesn't work.

Did you not know that faith is a requirement in order to believe in things that are false?
Want to believe in Bigfoot? Apply faith.
Nessie? Yup, faith again.
Alien abductions? Yup, faith.
Allah?
Vishnu and on and on?

Granted, a person could apply faith in something and that something could turn out to be a real thing. Either way, faith is NOT a valid way to arrive a truth claims as it is literally needed in order to believe in something false.

Therefore, to believe in anything due to faith is not a valid reason to hold said belief.
It is the best that religions have to offer though. Telling, no?

The bible has proven itself true. In Daniel written years before the NT, has a prophecy about the establishment of Gods kingdom in heaven. It comes out to 2520 years after the removal of the last king in Jerusalem=607 bce + 2520 years = 1914= Rev 6--He receives his crown= the establishment of Gods kingdom rule in heaven. Rev 6 also states and Peace will be taken from the earth=ww1 1914 proving bible prophecys are true. We are well beyond that point in revelation. Its nearing the end.

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