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Genesis 1:28

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“And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.” KJV
The above sounds like a stage in an ongoing project.

replenish = fill (in this case - the earth) up again. To restore (a stock or supply) to a former level or condition.

[This implies that humans once used to be plentiful and something happened which diminished the Human stock.]
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Re: Genesis 1:28

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[Replying to theophile in post #30]
It seems we both might be pointing to a God that starts from nothing, but can become all things.
At this point, we differ there.

You appear to be arguing that GOD emerged from the universe and is still forming into something which 'one day' will be able to transcend spacetime, but for now is stuck within it and working with it according to the GOD abilities.

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Re: Genesis 1:28

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:05 am FILL OR RE-FILL?


The Hebrew word male does not carry the meaning of again/repeat.

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The king James translation uses replenish in it's archaic sense which historically did not in 1611 mean re-fill but fill completely.

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/replenish#h1

In as much as we no longer speak Shakespearean English, or even that of Wordsworth, we don't necessarily abide by their definitions, but defer to those that are meaningful to today's readers, which in this case means that the word "replenish" denotes "to fill or build up again." And Bible scholars and publishers of today, knowing their English, use this particular word in the translation of Genesis 1:28 because that's what they want to convey to today's readers: To fill or build up AGAIN.

MOREOVER, LESS WE FORGET:

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Three Modern Bibles using "replenish" in Genesis 1:28

Genesis 1:28 (BRG, first published 1901)
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:28 (ASV, first published 1971)
And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:28 (MEV, first published 2014)
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

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Re: Genesis 1:28

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Miles wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:37 pm Three Modern Bibles using "replenish" in Genesis 1:28
Dozens of bibles do not; so ? ... So WHAT?!
https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-28.htm

I take it that your point is that a few translators, by not taking into account how the English language has changed since 1611, have failed to properly convey the ideas in the Hebrew source text to its modern readership; on this we can agree.




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Re: Genesis 1:28

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #33]

I think it is a side-track issue which doesn't add or take away anything from the main topic.

OPQ: After this is accomplished - humans have multiplied and subdued the earth - what then?

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Re: Genesis 1:28

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:22 pm
Miles wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:37 pm Three Modern Bibles using "replenish" in Genesis 1:28
Dozens of bibles do not; so ? ... So WHAT?!
https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-28.htm

I take it that your point is that a few translators, by not taking into account how the English language has changed since 1611, have failed to properly convey the ideas in the Hebrew source text to its modern readership; on this we can agree.
". . . . have sometimes failed to properly convey . . . ."

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Re: Genesis 1:28

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William wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 4:16 pm [Replying to theophile in post #30]
It seems we both might be pointing to a God that starts from nothing, but can become all things.
At this point, we differ there.

You appear to be arguing that GOD emerged from the universe and is still forming into something which 'one day' will be able to transcend spacetime, but for now is stuck within it and working with it according to the GOD abilities.
Is that not implicit in your view as well? Otherwise where did the creator of the simulation come from?

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Re: Genesis 1:28

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[Replying to theophile in post #36]
You appear to be arguing that GOD emerged from the universe and is still forming into something which 'one day' will be able to transcend spacetime, but for now is stuck within it and working with it according to the GOD abilities.
Is that not implicit in your view as well? Otherwise where did the creator of the simulation come from?
Didn't we agree infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing?

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