Hell's Immigrants

Pointless Posts, Raves n Rants, Obscure Opinions

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
User avatar
WebersHome
Guru
Posts: 1779
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:10 am
Location: Oregon
Been thanked: 24 times

Hell's Immigrants

Post #1

Post by WebersHome »

.
According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but indefinite number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to, only a small number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with me while I flesh this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Sept 18, 2017 @ 11:36 pm New York Time, the resident population in the United States was approximately 325,908,667 with a death rate of approximately one every 12 seconds; which translates to an average of 7,200 American deaths of all ages, races, and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths are under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,234 of the current daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.

Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum percentage to 51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,670 American adults transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 111 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think: by the time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 55 Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,670 condemned souls per 325,908,667 population: computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated global population of 7,422,223,068 people, would suggest something like 60,806 new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld every 24 hours; which translates to approximately 2,534 souls every sixty minutes on the clock.

That rate would fill the 51,800 seats of the new Yankee Stadium to capacity in roughly 20 hours and 44 minutes. In other words: if the world's daily number of condemned souls started filing into the stadium at 06:00 am this morning, then by 02:44 am tomorrow, the stadium would be full to capacity.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to 12.2% higher.

Christianity's hell never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365 nonstop and indifferent to global warming, Wall Street crashes, massive layoffs, outsourcing, high school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, air, water, and soil pollution, a mission to Mars, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened species, the price of oil, student debt, GMO, trade deficits, protests, Federal debt, factory recalls, outsourcing, overpopulation, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil wars, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS, LGBT marriage, Obamacare, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or President Donald Trump's tweets.

If Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is correct; then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
_
Last edited by WebersHome on Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:10 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Diagoras
Guru
Posts: 1392
Joined: Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:47 am
Has thanked: 170 times
Been thanked: 579 times

Re: Hell's Immigrants

Post #251

Post by Diagoras »

WebersHome wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:17 amGod was fully aware all along the direction the world would take even before He created the first man, viz: the forbidden tree and the Serpent were part of a grand scheme whose purpose was to necessitate the cross.
Or maybe that’s exactly what he wants you to think!

I have contemplated, and re-contemplated, this over and over in my mind and can come to no other conclusion but that God is an evil genius
Sort of like the biggest ‘boogeyman’ ever.

What does that mean for Satan then? Is he also an unwitting pawn in God’s plans? In which case, surely he can’t be ‘evil’ as he has no effective free will to choose.

I am more afraid of God than I am of Joseph Biden, Kim Jong-Un, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, and the bosses of Iran combined
Can’t be much fun living in fear. I hope it’s the kind of low-level, background fear triggered by watching the news, rather than a continuous experience for you.

God is sometimes called the "Lord of hosts" which tells that He is able to muster every form of sentient life in existence to do His bidding-- willing or unwilling, witting or unwitting, makes no difference because God's free will trumps all else's free will.
Which would mean he’s making me write this reply - perhaps subtly influencing your thoughts in ways you can’t discern.

Is God omnipatient, as well as omnipotent? If not, and he one day gets bored with all the tinkering he’s supposedly done with mankind, then he might just decide to erase the universe on a whim and start again elsewhere. Now there’s a thought…

User avatar
WebersHome
Guru
Posts: 1779
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:10 am
Location: Oregon
Been thanked: 24 times

Re: Hell's Immigrants

Post #252

Post by WebersHome »

.
FAQ: Do people in Hell have eternal life?

REPLY: Eternal life is a divine form of life unavailable to folks in Hell-- people down there are all stuck with a form of life whose nature is inferior to the nature of eternal life

According to 2Pet 1:2-4 there is a measure of divine life available to certain folk who qualify for it. Divine life doesn't transform folks into gods, but it does make them similar to God in certain respects-- actually similar to His son; which is a very big advantage.


Immigration Update: 1,812 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 110,180,472 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
_

User avatar
Diagoras
Guru
Posts: 1392
Joined: Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:47 am
Has thanked: 170 times
Been thanked: 579 times

Re: Hell's Immigrants

Post #253

Post by Diagoras »

WebersHome wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:55 am According to 2Pet 1:2-4 there is a measure of divine life available to certain folk who qualify for it. Divine life doesn't transform folks into gods, but it does make them similar to God in certain respects-- actually similar to His son; which is a very big advantage.
I went looking for some commentary on that particular passage. The consensus is that Peter is talking about the ‘tools needed to live a spiritual life’ now, not about how people transform once they reach heaven. See here for one example:

https://www.bibleref.com/2-Peter/1/2-Peter-1-3.html

User avatar
WebersHome
Guru
Posts: 1779
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:10 am
Location: Oregon
Been thanked: 24 times

Re: Hell's Immigrants

Post #254

Post by WebersHome »

.
2Pet 1:1-4 . .To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

. . . His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and goodness. Through these He has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

There is only one divine nature just as there is only one human nature; and it should go without saying that the qualities of the nature of God are superior to the qualities of the nature of a man.

Many years ago it occurred to me that human nature makes it very easy for me to live in a man's world, but God's world would require a level of honesty and self control that I was pretty sure I couldn't keep up forever. Sooner or later I'd mess up and get thrown out. In my reasoning I concluded that If only thinking, feeling, and acting like God came just as natural to me as thinking, feeling, and acting like a human; then that would be the cat's meow 'cause I'd never be in any more danger of eviction from Heaven than God.
_

User avatar
Diagoras
Guru
Posts: 1392
Joined: Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:47 am
Has thanked: 170 times
Been thanked: 579 times

Re: Hell's Immigrants

Post #255

Post by Diagoras »

WebersHome wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:32 pm There is only one divine nature just as there is only one human nature; and it should go without saying that the qualities of the nature of God are superior to the qualities of the nature of a man.
WebersHome wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:17 am I have contemplated, and re-contemplated, this over and over in my mind and can come to no other conclusion but that God is an evil genius, i.e. an insane sadist without par who has rather strange ways of going about amusing Himself.
Now I’m wondering why you think God’s qualities are ‘superior’. How is being an ‘insane sadist’ in any way admirable?

User avatar
WebersHome
Guru
Posts: 1779
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:10 am
Location: Oregon
Been thanked: 24 times

Re: Hell's Immigrants

Post #256

Post by WebersHome »

.
Diagoras wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:12 amNow I’m wondering why you think God’s qualities are ‘superior’. How is being an ‘insane sadist’ in any way admirable?

Even if true that God should be locked away in a psychiatric facility for the criminally insane; the qualities of His nature would remain superior to the qualities of human nature were His to be judged on a curve with ours.

Personally I want to be rid of human nature. It hasn't brought me all that much fulfillment nor happiness and peace of mind; whereas God seems very content and self-satisfied. That alone makes the divine nature an attractive option-- at least to me anyway; maybe not so much to others.
_

User avatar
Diagoras
Guru
Posts: 1392
Joined: Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:47 am
Has thanked: 170 times
Been thanked: 579 times

Re: Hell's Immigrants

Post #257

Post by Diagoras »

WebersHome wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:35 am Personally I want to be rid of human nature. It hasn't brought me all that much fulfillment nor happiness and peace of mind;
Sorry to hear that. Especially the peace of mind - something that has become noticeably harder to attain in recent times for a lot of folks.

Hope you find some.

User avatar
WebersHome
Guru
Posts: 1779
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:10 am
Location: Oregon
Been thanked: 24 times

Re: Hell's Immigrants

Post #258

Post by WebersHome »

.
1Cor 4:4 . . My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent.

Man was created with as near a perfect conscience as a creature can be given.


Gen 1:27 . . God created Man in His own image, in the image of God created He him.

But then came the forbidden fruit incident by which man's near-divine conscience underwent something that caused it to become humanistic.


Gen 3:22 . . The Lord God said: The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

Man was able to discern between good and evil before his fall, but that was by means of a conscience influenced by its maker. The forbidden fruit incident altered Man's conscience to become his own influence, i.e. Man became defensive, and he rationalizes a lot too. (Rom 2:14-15)

I think the writer of 1Cor 4:4 was well aware of just how tricky Man's conscience can be so he was reluctant to insist upon his innocence-- a little sophistry here and a little there, and even monsters like Communist China's Xi Jinping and North Korea's Kim Jong-Un can be persuaded in their own minds to believe themselves okay guys.


1 John 1:8 . . If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves

Jer 17:9-10 . .The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it? . . . I, The Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give to each man according to his ways, according to the results of his deeds.

BTW: Christ's crucifixion not only serves to save people from their sins, but according to Heb 9:8-14 it saves them from their conscience too.

Immigration Update: 1,819 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 110,606,114 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
_

User avatar
WebersHome
Guru
Posts: 1779
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:10 am
Location: Oregon
Been thanked: 24 times

Re: Hell's Immigrants

Post #259

Post by WebersHome »

.
Matt 25:41 . .Then he will say to those on his left: Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.

That's likely a reference to Rev 20:10 where it says:

" And the Devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever."

I'm not all that well-informed about the future, but I'm pretty sure that both the beast and the false prophet are human beings. Well; if the Greek word apollumi (Matt 10:28) speaks of nothing more than obliteration, then how it is that those two guys are existing in the lake when the Devil arrives?

The thing is: apollumi is somewhat ambiguous. It doesn't always mean obliteration, for example Matt 2:13 which says:

"Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."

And/or Matt 5:29 which says:

"It is profitable for you that one of your members should perish, and not that your whole body should be cast into Hell."

And/or Matt 8:25 which says:

"Lord, save us: we perish."

And/or etc, etc, etc. The list just goes on and on and on where apollumi means more than obliteration, i.e. something always remains to reckon with, for example Heb 2:14 which says:

"Through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the Devil."

Rev 20:10 assures me that the Devil's destruction doesn't obliterate him; he will be kept in existence to undergo perpetual suffering; and I think it's pretty safe to assume that those on the King's left per Matt 25:41 will be there too.

One of my favorite lines from the movie "Titanic" is when Mr. Ismay protests that this ship cannot sink; and Mr. Andrews responds: She's made of iron, sir! I assure you, she can... and she will. It is a mathematical certainty.

There are folks at large all across the internet, and around the globe, sincerely believing that Hell isn't a place of perpetual conscious suffering. They, like Mr. Ismay, will be utterly stunned and bewildered beyond comprehension to discover it's exactly that.


Immigration Update: 1,841 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 111,943,846 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Sept 18, 2017
_

User avatar
Diagoras
Guru
Posts: 1392
Joined: Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:47 am
Has thanked: 170 times
Been thanked: 579 times

Re: Hell's Immigrants

Post #260

Post by Diagoras »

WebersHome wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:33 pmI'm not all that well-informed about the future
:D

I spent the entire morning building a time machine. That’s four hours of my life I’m definitely getting back…

There are folks at large all across the internet, and around the globe, sincerely believing that Hell isn't a place of perpetual conscious suffering.

Well, there are a number of self-identifying Christians who believe Hell is simply ‘separation from God’ and not a literal lake of fire.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 19.1675470
The notion of Hell predates Christianity by thousands of years by Egyptian and sources of Jewish mysticism such as the Kabbalah.

Post Reply