The proposition for debate is that when one takes the tales of Genesis literally, one becomes intellectually disabled, at least temporarily. Taking Genesis literally requires one to reject biology (which includes evolution) and other sciences in favor of 'magic.' Geology and radiometric dating have to be rejected since the Earth formed only about 6000 years ago, during the same week the Earth was made (in a single day).
Much of the debate in the topic of Science and Religion consists of theists who insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis rejecting basic science. Most of the resulting debates are not worth engaging in.
The Debilitating Effect of Taking Genesis Literally
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The Debilitating Effect of Taking Genesis Literally
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Post #151LOL...abuse? Pointing out that you repeatedly ignore information people post to you is "abuse"?
That's hilarious.
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Post #152You abuse the civility rules Jose.
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Post #153How is it abusing the rules to simply note that you have repeatedly failed to reply to info that contradicts your claims, and that by the rules of debate you have therefore conceded the points?
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Post #154You might as well just run away in that case. Dodgeball may be more suited to your skill set than debating.
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Post #155Because you made a claim. You claimedInquirer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:00 pmHow do I know you have a reliable means of making such an assessment? why should I spend time showing you supporting evidence unless I know you can assess it reliably?brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:38 pmSo we can assess if you are speaking the truth or simply making more unsupported claims.
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Christ revealed profound knowledge, knowledge undiscoverable through any other means.
What knowledge? Please indicate what the 'knowledge' was and how it was "undiscoverable through any other means."
If you cannot support your claims, they are nullities, no more 'profound' or true than common rubbish.
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Re: The Debilitating Effect of Taking Genesis Literally
Post #157Do you have any reason to believe this is true, other than Genesis appears to you to say so? Do you have any reason to deny the judgment of many different scientific disciplines all agreeing on the age of the Earth is about 4.6 billion years*, other than what is written in Genesis? If the Bible claims the Earth (or 'creation') is '6000 years and change,' is there any scientific, or empirical evidence that would persuade you otherwise?
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*"It is widely accepted by both geologists and astronomers that Earth is roughly 4.6 billion years old. This age has been obtained from the isotopic analysis of many meteorites as well as of soil and rock samples from the Moon by such dating methods as rubidium–strontium and uranium–lead. "
https://www.britannica.com/science/geol ... gic-period
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Re: The Debilitating Effect of Taking Genesis Literally
Post #158Whatever reasons we have to believe doesn't matter.
Do you have any reason to deny the judgment of many different scientific disciplines all agreeing on the age of the Earth is about 4.6 billion years*
Yes, they are all faith based and only fraudulently called science.
That is what you were asked for and failed to produce.is there any scientific, or empirical evidence that would persuade you otherwise?
It is widely accepted by both geologists and astronomers that Earth is roughly 4.6 billion years old. This age has been obtained from the isotopic analysis of many meteorites as well as of soil and rock samples from the Moon by such dating methods as rubidium–strontium and uranium–lead. "
https://www.britannica.com/science/geol ... gic-period
Astronomers believe time is the same for no reason in the far universe and those who divine the rocks misread the ratios based on a belief in a same state past.
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Re: The Debilitating Effect of Taking Genesis Literally
Post #159You are welcome.
Easy enough. To borrow the format already presented here:Once again, then, the evidence that the past was the same nature with the same forces and laws on earth? Specify how you (think you) tested that!
1) Ask a question: Are the laws of physics the same in the deep past as they are now?
2) Perform research: learn the laws of physics as we know them today.
3) Establish your hypothesis: If the laws are variable, then laws should change every now and then.
4) Test your hypothesis by conducting an experiment: if the laws change now, then maybe stuff would fly up instead of dropping down. Let go of various stuff in mid air and observe direction of travel.
5) Make an observation: stuff falls according to the current known laws of nature.
6) Analyze the results and draw a conclusion: the laws of nature has not changed.
7) Present the findings: post on forum.
No need for pretense, you can do this experiment at home and verify my results, that's the great thing about science.Keep pretending you posted some or that you have some. This is fun.
Advice noted and discarded.I concur. You may claim origin models for the last minute all you like. Never do so using deep time though.
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Re: The Debilitating Effect of Taking Genesis Literally
Post #160Will you not attempt to debate?Inquirer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:44 pmYour abuse here is a real problem Jose, leave people alone, address their arguments not your demeaning interpretation of their personality.Jose Fly wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:28 pmThe subject of the thread is about the effects of creationism (taking Genesis literally). Your consistent ignoring of data and info that contradicts your claims is a perfect example of the sorts of behaviors advocacy of creationism forces people to engage in.
LOL...nothing I said is untrue. In a debate forum, you repeatedly ignore information that contradicts your arguments. I'm sure you don't like having that pointed out, but that just means your problem is with reality.I'm sure the moderators can do without your ongoing uncivil posts.
The fact remains, according to the rules of debate you have conceded that speciation is a repeatedly observed and documented fact, the fossil record contains examples of Darwinian gradualism, the fossil record contains preCambrian-Cambrian intermediates, and scientific testing shows that human/primate common ancestry is the vastly superior interpretation of the data over separate human origins.
Again, I'm sure you don't like any of that, but that's not my problem.
de·bil·i·tat·ing
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tending to weaken something.
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Copy/paste: The fact remains, according to the rules of debate you have conceded that speciation is a repeatedly observed and documented fact, the fossil record contains examples of Darwinian gradualism, the fossil record contains preCambrian-Cambrian intermediates, and scientific testing shows that human/primate common ancestry is the vastly superior interpretation of the data over separate human origins.
Rather than address how this weakens/debilitates the Genesis creation story, you stick with playing the victim card. I wish you would type something worth debate, but you seems stuck on making posts be about you.
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