Can God be imagined as long as space, energy and matter (Creation) exist?

[sridatta]

Shankara established the fundamental concept in the spiritual knowledge according to which God is the absolute reality and the creation is relatively real. If you analyze the present science deeply, this can be well appreciated. Science says that matter is a form of energy. Matter and energy are the simultaneous concept and both are inter-convertible. Einstein says that matter and space are similar simultaneous concepts. He says that there is no absolute space without referring the matter since geometrical space only exists. The bending of space around boundary of matter indicates that space is not nothing but has physical status.

Thus, energy and matter are similar to matter and space in the simultaneous existence. Therefore, space and energy must have similar relationship. The generation of galaxies from space indicates the inter conversion of space into energy and matter. All this concludes that space, energy and matter are mutually existing and are simultaneous inter-convertible concepts like the sides of a coin. The forms that are converting between themselves must be relatively real.

The absolute basic form must be always one without any conversion. This can be clear by an example. You have seen a rope in mild darkness. The existence of rope is clear to you but not the form of the rope. The superimposed forms like snake, stick and garland appear but their existence is the same existence of rope. Therefore, the three superimpositions appear as if they really exist. These superimpositions will be converting in to each other because you will be seeing the snake for some time, the stick for some time and garland for some time.

Once the light is put on, the absolute reality, the rope, appears. This rope will never be converted into any of these relative forms (snake, stick and garland). Therefore, the right conclusion is that the absolute reality is never converted into another form and the inter-convertible forms are always relatively real. Based on this example, space, energy and matter are relatively real, which are inter-convertible between themselves. Absolute reality is God and cannot be converted into any other form with reference to the realisation of rope. The rope is never seen as long as the relative forms exist. Therefore, God can never be imagined as long as space, energy and matter (Creation) exist. Therefore, God is unimaginable.

You are a part and parcel of creation and you will disappear along with the disappearance of creation. Therefore, for you creation can never be unreal. It is unreal only for the God. But Shankara gave a twist here to purify minds of atheists. He said that the world is unreal. They atheists took that the world is unreal for them. Shankara kept silent because such misunderstanding is going to do good for the atheists. Due to unreality of the world, one will reduce the influence of family bonds, which are supposed to be unreal.

This will minimise selfishness and mind is purified, which is required for the devotion to God. Thus, Shankara converted atheists in to theists by saying that they are God. Then they purified their minds by taking the world as unreal for them. The theist with pure mind is eligible to become a good devotee. Then He introduced the Lord for worship with devotion in order to become God practically. Who can handle this situation, with such efficiency except the human incarnation of God?

[brunumb]

God can be imagined as long as there are brains capable of doing so. Humans have imagined all sorts of gods over the ages without ever progressing to the point where they demonstrate the reality of those imaginings. Still, it all makes for fun-filled fantasy fiction.
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[sridatta]

God can be imagined as long as their are brains capable of doing so. Humans have imagined all sorts of gods over the ages without ever progressing to the point where they demonstrate the reality of those imaginings. Still, it all makes for fun-filled fantasy fiction.

The unimaginable God is beyond space and unless you are able to understand the state of the absence of space, God can never be described to you. First, I must explain to you about the residence of God. Only then can I describe the God residing in it. The state of the absence of space is like the residence of God. You are unable to understand even that residence of God. So, He is totally unimaginable. To whom is God unimaginable? God is not unimaginable to Himself. He is only unimaginable to the human being or any soul in creation.

If you want to know God’s nature, you must first reach His residence. If you manage to reach His residence, I will show God to you in His residence. Unfortunately, you are unable to even reach the external compound wall of His divine residence. Then, how can I show God to you in that residence? When space disappears, spatial dimensions also disappear. God has no volume since He is beyond space. An item having no volume is beyond space and can never be touched by your imagination.

[brunumb]

[Replying to sridatta in post #3]

Next time you are in God's residence get a selfie with the omnipotent one and post it here.

[Diagoras]

[Replying to brunumb in post #4]

Might be tricky fitting both you and God in the frame if there’s zero volume to play with though.

I’m unsure how the OP might get on with the Ontological Argument. Once you’ve proved he exists, you’ve pretty much imagined him. So does that mean he would instantly disappear, or the universe?

[sridatta]

[Replying to brunumb in post #4]

Might be tricky fitting both you and God in the frame if there’s zero volume to play with though.

I’m unsure how the OP might get on with the Ontological Argument. Once you’ve proved he exists, you’ve pretty much imagined him. So does that mean he would instantly disappear, or the universe?

The Veda says “Yamaivaisha vrunute tena labhyah, tashyaisha aatmaa vivrurnute tanuum svaam”. This means God comes mediated for the sake of devotees aspiring to see Him only and God appears through the appearing medium. Human incarnation is understood by those devotees only, who prayed God to appear before them for clarification of doubts and for their service to Him. Other souls can’t identify Him since they believe in the unimaginable God only, who can’t be even imagined by brain.

Such souls can’t meditate upon the unimaginable God except to know that such God exists (Astiityeva… Veda). Such souls suffer with ego and jealousy towards a co-human form and hence, can’t ever accept human incarnation of God due to repulsion between common media (common human bodies having same common properties like eating etc., and God will not interfere with these common properties of medium just like the current in electrified wire doesn’t interfere with the properties of the wire like leanness etc.).

God prefers human form only to preach true spiritual knowledge and to clarify the doubts of the devotees (Maanusheem tanumaashritam— Gita). The four great statements of the Veda (Mahaavaakyaas) say that awareness is God and that God is myself, yourself and himself. The meaning is that God always takes human form, which is always associated with awareness (awareness can’t exist itself without a body).

The spiritual knowledge of God is taken as awareness just like a jewel is taken as gold. In fact, the awareness here doesn’t mean mere awareness (like lump of Gold) but, it means the special spiritual knowledge (like the jewel with special design). The followers of monism (Advaita) took this special jewel as lump of gold and everybody with or without knowledge became God! Myself, Yourself and himself (in Mahaavaakyas) mean that the human form of God looks like any other human form like myself, yourself and himself as far as the visible medium is concerned.

[brunumb]

[Replying to sridatta in post #6]

The Silmarillion says:

“There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Ilúvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad. But for a long while they sang only each alone, or but few together, while the rest hearkened; for each comprehended only that part of the mind of Ilúvatar from which he came, and in the understanding of their brethren they grew but slowly. Yet ever as they listened they came to deeper understanding, and increased in unison and harmony.”