Why kama (sex) could not be controlled by any soul on the earth?

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Why kama (sex) could not be controlled by any soul on the earth?

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[B.Gupta asked: Let the punishments for sins be done before all the people on the earth and not in the hell, which is beyond our vision. By this, perfect discipline will come in to the entire humanity. Why kama (sex) could not be controlled by any soul on the earth and also in the upper world due to which the violence like rape is resulting? - B. Gupta (question in very long form is condensed here).]

Sometimes public demands that a criminal should be executed before the public. But, no execution was done like that till now. If all the executions are made public, that will bring shocking effects in the brain in the case of some people at least. The information that criminal is executed is sufficient to bring threat in the public. The punishments of some serious deeds (Atyutkata paapa) are given in this world itself so that people get disciplined through threat. The person meets an accident and dies before the eyes of public itself. The serious sin done by that person is inferred by the wise public. However, the punishment brings temporary discipline only and only the true knowledge can bring the real transformation of the soul to result in permanent solution by checking the repetition of the sin. The punishment of sin was done by God through several incarnations so that there will be some temporary control. Apart from this, God incarnates to spread the right spiritual knowledge for bringing permanent control.

Kama was created by God so that the children are generated from a married couple so that the race of humanity continues generation by generation. In the Gita, Lord says that kama supported by justice is allowed by God, which means the sex between husband and wife. All the violations of the justice were punished by God as we see in Ramayana, Mahabharata etc. All the bad qualities diverted to God become good qualities that happened to be carriers of the soul to God. Gopikas got salvation by diverting this kama to God. Rape is the sin on the part of the forcing person and forced person will not have any sin. This does not mean that mutual consent in the rape will avoid sin on both sides. In fact, both are punished for betraying their life partners.

You need not worry about the universal administration, which is the subject of God. It is always perfect and divine control reacts in time. You should worry about yourself as an individual and clean your mind. If every individual is cleaned, the entire society becomes cleaned. Therefore, the cleaning of the society should start with you. By the time, you are completely cleaned, you will find the society also completely cleaned because society is only a set of individuals.

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“The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
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brunumb wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:38 pm [Replying to sridatta in post #1]

“The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
You are correct! The creation created by God always consists of pairs of opposite items like day and night, summer and winter, justice and injustice etc. If one of the pair is absent, the other loses its significance and does not exist. The very existence of any item of the pair depends on the relative existence of the other. If the injustice is removed, where is the need of effort to avoid the injustice and support the justice? In absence of these pairs, the souls become mostly inactive and slowly become inert. Inertia is not the theme of the creation. Activity is the basis of the creation.

If you remove the concept of failure in the examination, there will be no activity and effort in studies and the concept of merit vanishes and the process of rewarding disappears in the absence of defect and punishment. When the injustice is totally absent, the relative justice does not exist and establishment of justice by God also disappears. In the absence of injustice, justice may be existing but you will not call it as justice since the word justice arises only with reference to the relative injustice. In such case, not only the souls but also God becomes inactive. This creation is created by God for entertainment through constant engagement. For the transfer of current both positive and negative poles are equally important. The very foundation of the creation gets cracked if these pairs do not exist.

Even the necessity of knowledge disappears in absence of ignorance, which leads to the absence of Human incarnations of God, which come to preach the knowledge. Therefore, the process of suppression of injustice followed by establishment of justice is continuous so that the life of the creation exists. In Gita, it is told that whenever the injustice comes up suppressing the justice, God incarnates (Yadaa yadaahi...). This means that the injustice is only suppressed by God and not really destroyed. The villain in a cinema appears to be killed by the hero but the villain is not really killed. The same villain appears as villain in the next cinema. Similarly, whenever God kills a demon, such killing is apparent only since the individual soul in the body of the demon is not killed and takes birth as demon again. This concept was preached to Arjuna by Krishna in killing the devilish fore-fathers of Arjuna.

Your question becomes valid if the injustice is uncontrollable. Again, the foundation of the creation is cracked if only negative exists continuously and the scope of appearance of positive is not seen. Therefore, you need not fear about the continuous existence of one of these pairs. The alternative motion of ups and downs of these two items in a pair is the essence of this dynamic creation like the blades of a moving wheel. Whenever a demon becomes active disturbing the society, the sages always were patient spectators because the sages are scholars knowing the dynamic nature of the creation.

They know that when the sin of the demon ripens, God will incarnate to punish the demon. Their patience is the result of their knowledge. Only ignorant human beings were undergoing tension over the disturbance. Similarly, the life cycle of every human being is also constituted by the moving pleasant and unpleasant events in alternate fashion. A realised soul also watches these events patiently without any tension and such a person is called as ‘Sthitha Prajna’ in Gita.

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"For if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomable at the foundations of the Earth."
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brunumb wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:35 am [Replying to sridatta in post #3]

"For if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomable at the foundations of the Earth."
Kunti ( a female devotee) asked the Lord for difficulties so that her devotion to God improves more and more. She was the first soul to recognize the difficulties as the real preachers of devotion to God. The second soul was myself who asked God for creating problems. You know I did long prayers to Lord to grant difficulties so that the divine knowledge and devotion improve more.

God was astonished in these two cases since no soul requested God for difficulties so far after the creation! As a soul, My devotion to God improved tremendously during the difficulties. As God I enjoyed the difficulties in this world, which are not at all possible in the upper world. You can take Me in whatever way you like.

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