Hell - A misunderstood word

[MissKate13]

The English word hell appears twenty-three times in the King James Version of the New Testament. “Hell” actually represents three different terms in the Greek New Testament.

The first is “ade.” It is translated hell ten times in the KJV. Many new versions use the word Hades instead of hell. There are several ways Hades is used in the NT. The best way to determine its use is by context. In some places Hades is defined as the abode of departed spirits.

Gehenna (geennan), on the other hand, seems to be a place of torment, one to be avoided. Gehenna originates from two Hebrew words meaning “Valley of Hinnom.” The Valley of Hinnom, in the mind of the Jews, was detestable, disgusting, sickening, entirely unpleasant, and a place to be avoided. That was exactly what Jesus wanted to get across each time he used the term geennan.

Tartarus occurs only one in the New Testament (2 Peter 2:4). Here, it is used of the abode of evil angels prior to their banishment to Gehenna, their ultimate destiny (Mt. 25:41). It denotes that area of Hades in which both rebel men and angels are punished prior to the day of judgment. 2 Peter 2:9 supports this: “the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment unto the day of judgment”

“Hell” is not the grave. In the New Testament there are three words that refer to the grave. They are taphos, mnema, and mnemeion. Taphos is used seven times and is translated sepulcher six times and tomb once.
Mnema is translated as tomb twice, grave once, and sepulcher four times.
Mnemeion is used five times as tomb, twenty-nine times as sepulcher, and eight times as grave.

Mt 5:22 geennan
Mt 5:29 geennan
Mt 5:30 geennan
Mt 10:28 geenne
Mt 11:23 adou
Mt 16:18 adou
Mt 18:9 geennan
Mt 23:15 geennes
My 23:33 geennes
Mark 9:43 geennan
Mark 9:47 geennan
Mark 9:47 geennan
Luke 10:15 adou
Luke 12:5 geennan
Luke 16:23 ade
Acts 2:27 aden
Acts 2:31 aden
James 3:6 geennes
2 Peter 2:4 tartarōsas
Rev 1:18 adou
Rev 6:8 ades
Rev 20:13 ades
Rev 20:14 ades

Your thoughts?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to MissKate13 in post #1]

Indeed.

Misunderstandings galore.


Hades is the NT equivalent to the OT "Sheol". Neither of these is "the abode of departed spirits".

God tells the truth about where the spirit goes at death when it has departed:

"the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it". Ecclesiastes 12:7.

As to Gehenna, Jesus never stated or implied it was eternal torment.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to MissKate13 in post #1]

Indeed.

Misunderstandings galore.


Hades is the NT equivalent to the OT "Sheol". Neither of these is "the abode of departed spirits".

God tells the truth about where the spirit goes at death when it has departed:

"the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it". Ecclesiastes 12:7.

As to Gehenna, Jesus never stated or implied it was eternal torment.

Where the worm never dies, and the fire is not quenched seem pretty eternal to me.

Mark 9:43-48

43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two hands and go into hell,e into the unquenchable fire. 45 Ifyour foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where ‘their worm never dies, and the fire is never quenched.’

The body turns to dust. The spirit returns to God where they are judged (Hebrews 9:27). God places the spirit in “ade,’ the unseen world of the spirit…either in Paradise or Tartarus to await the final judgement.

Jesus gave a good picture of this in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to MissKate13 in post #1]

Indeed.

Misunderstandings galore.


Hades is the NT equivalent to the OT "Sheol". Neither of these is "the abode of departed spirits".

God tells the truth about where the spirit goes at death when it has departed:

"the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it". Ecclesiastes 12:7.

As to Gehenna, Jesus never stated or implied it was eternal torment.

Where the worm never dies, and the fire is not quenched seem pretty eternal to me.

What did the worm do to deserve such punishment?

[William]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #4]

What did the worm do to deserve such punishment?

Being related to the serpent re being a belly-crawler....and investing its support for theistic and atheistic thinkers alike.

Into the hellfire with the worm! - shouldn't be too much of a problem for it, since the worm has already endured being in the belly of a human.

How are farts created...

And why does hellfire smell like farts? [according to popular mythology]

Meanwhile, "stories".

William: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?

GM: Row your own boat! I AM Will Navigate!

Atheistic Thinker: Nothing I've learned since the decision I made that Religious Beliefs ARE Delusional, has changed my mind, but if a god being made itself known in some way that was convincing to me ... I'd be happy to flip.

William: I myself doubt that this could ever be achieved for you, due to your making it the way that it is, through your own decisions, rather than through any god failing to pay you a visit.

Any god-being: Okay Atheistic Thinker - I have risen to your challenge. You see me now. Are you ready to flip?

Atheistic Thinker: Of course not! You are simply a product of my brain which obviously is having some kind of malfunction which has caused this delusion.

Any god-being: What if I stripped you naked, pinched you by the scruff and dangled you over the everlasting hellfire and threatened to drop you in it. Would you consider flipping then?

GM: Necessity is The Mother of Invention

William: I would argue that Atheistic Thinker would continue arguing that his brain was being delusional. That even if he felt the pinch of his neck, the rising heat of the hellfire doom, the pooh running down his legs - he would cling to the belief that Religious Beliefs ARE Delusional and that he would wake up from the nightmare eventually - when his brain settled down again...and remain content not to flip...

Hungry Worms From Hell

First multicellular organisms discovered far below the surface of Earth

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One should pay noted attention to the mark of YHVH on the worm’s end...

"Just a coincidence"

I think "not".

[669]
One should pay noted attention to the mark of YHVH on the worm’s end...
Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
I think of these images as representing a very real and supportive Team.
Like being pushed out from a stinky hole, can have one develop a bad self-complex

[Purple Knight]

Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
I think of these images as representing a very real and supportive Team.
Like being pushed out from a stinky hole, can have one develop a bad self-complex

I've often pondered whether Christianity is a test, but the rights answer is to reject it. The right answer is that nobody, even God, is good by definition, and that you can't take somebody else's life to pay for your own sins.

I also have this innate aversion to saying it right-out, as if somebody doesn't want me to. But it seems you're on a similar track.

[William]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #6]

I've often pondered whether Christianity is a test, but the rights answer is to reject it.

It is safe to acknowledge that Christianity became a compromise between Rome and early Christians, and thus biblical Jesus was borne - like a shadow of the historical Jesus who taught no compromise re such mystical advice against standard human nature - such as "Loving one's enemies" and "Turing the other cheek" and "Giving to the poor" - - -
Due to the compromises, one could agree... rejection of Christianity is the better choice re the circumstances... but I would draw the line at rejecting those root-teachings mentioned [and thus rejecting historical Jesus] as one does not equate to the other, imo.

The right answer is that nobody, even God, is good by definition, and that you can't take somebody else's life to pay for your own sins.

I think those are all religious concepts which have sought for and found compromise. I have no interest in debating those things.

I also have this innate aversion to saying it right-out, as if somebody doesn't want me to. But it seems you're on a similar track.

I suppose half the trick is too figure out how to say something without offending someone. Perhaps doing so without sounding judgmental is part of that process?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to MissKate13 in post #1]

Indeed.

Misunderstandings galore.


Hades is the NT equivalent to the OT "Sheol". Neither of these is "the abode of departed spirits".

God tells the truth about where the spirit goes at death when it has departed:

"the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it". Ecclesiastes 12:7.

As to Gehenna, Jesus never stated or implied it was eternal torment.

Where the worm never dies, and the fire is not quenched seem pretty eternal to me.

What did the worm do to deserve such punishment?

Nothing. The worm is literal. It receives no punishment.

It is doing what worms do to a corpse, which is not eternal.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to MissKate13 in post #1]

Indeed.

Misunderstandings galore.


Hades is the NT equivalent to the OT "Sheol". Neither of these is "the abode of departed spirits".

God tells the truth about where the spirit goes at death when it has departed:

"the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it". Ecclesiastes 12:7.

As to Gehenna, Jesus never stated or implied it was eternal torment.

Where the worm never dies, and the fire is not quenched seem pretty eternal to me.

What did the worm do to deserve such punishment?

Nothing. The worm is literal. It receives no punishment.

It is doing what worms do to a corpse, which is not eternal.

Do the worms live forever?

[MissKate13]

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Do the worms live forever?
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With God, all things are possible. Maybe God created a worm that never dies. There is no way of either of us knowing. Personally, I don’t want to find out.

Jesus used the images of the worm does not die, and the fire does not go out to convey the idea of fearful, continuous, conscious torment.

It seems that Jesus would have chosen a different way if He’d been speaking of annihilation - like Rover, dead all over. His words simply don’t fit that scenario.

PS. I’m new to this forum and am having difficulty navigating. Everyone’s posts are layered on top of each other. Is there a list view?