In The Beginning...

[William]

Question For Debate:



Resources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... imulation/
https://builtin.com/hardware/simulation-theory
https://www.simulation-argument.com/

[William]

[William]

Following the storyline, the reason I do not think that Adam understood why it was important to listen to YHVH's messages, is that the design of Adam's body-set prohibited any access to Adam having a conscious recollection of a prior existence.

Essentially, because Adam had a beginning, this meant that initially Adam had nothing to go by in which to distinguish right from wrong [good from evil] and thus would not have understood, because the knowledge simply wasn't there for him to have any understanding about.

The storyline ["truth through a fictional medium." as you put it] shows the reader that the personality of the character called "Adam", started out his experience in a state of Tabula Rasa.

From your own argument so far, we disagree.

In the story you may be able to point to a passage which identifies that Adam did possess the knowledge from the beginning, and if so, we can examine that idea more fully.

I acknowledge that you have already said that the story of the garden has to be taken in context with the whole story. I take it you mean the whole of the Bible?

However, without something tangible from the Garden Story being able to be identified as key evidence that Adam did indeed understand from the beginning why it was important to listen to YHVH's messages, I would have to take the overall storyline of the Bible as something akin to misinformation based upon misunderstanding.

[The Tanager]

[William]

[The Tanager]

[William]

[The Tanager]

[William]

[The Tanager]

It is apparent in the storyline, that without The Breath of YHVH, this would not have been possible for Adam to achieve. He would not have been able to learn things.

He would not have been able to do anything; he wouldn't be a 'he' but an 'it'; he would have just been a lump of dirt.

Therefore, I can accept that The Breath of YHVH acts as an interface device between the newly forming conscious awareness of the personality "Adam" and YHVH's own consciousness.

How does that follow? How did you get from "Adam couldn't be intelligent without getting the breath of YHVH" to this breath being a self-aware interface device?

What is noticeable about the style of The Garden Story is that it is presented in a bullet-point manner.
As such, if it were told verbatim around a campfire, it would be over in a matter of minutes, and leave the listener with more questions than it gives answers to.
That is what we have to work with.

It's a narrative. A quick narrative that doesn't answer every question, sure, but I don't think "bullet-point" is accurate.

[William]

[Replying to The Tanager in post #179]

Is there any reason why you are unable to address the other points being made Tanager?

It is apparent in the storyline, that without The Breath of YHVH, this would not have been possible for Adam to achieve. He would not have been able to learn things.

He would not have been able to do anything; he wouldn't be a 'he' but an 'it'; he would have just been a lump of dirt.

How does that logically follow? Why did you write 'he' would have just been a lump of dirt after writing "he wouldn't be a 'he' but an 'it';"

Therefore, I can accept that The Breath of YHVH acts as an interface device between the newly forming conscious awareness of the personality "Adam" and YHVH's own consciousness.

How does that follow? How did you get from "Adam couldn't be intelligent without getting the breath of YHVH" to this breath being a self-aware interface device?

You said as much yourself. A piece of dirt is all that the body set is, until the interface brings it online.

Potential agreement List;

1: Adam understood language.

Agreed?