Who would the antichrist fool?

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Who would the antichrist fool?

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"....and all the world wondered after the beast." (Rev. 13:3)

The antichrist is supposed to fool everyone----except true Christians----into worshipping him.

How well would that work out? Would he be able to fool.....

Jews? Judaism holds that only God is to be worshipped and that God does not take any physical form. Worship of any human being is considered blasphemous idolatry, and any wonders the antichrist performed would be interpreted as the workings of a false teacher sent by God to test the Jewish people.

Muslims? Islam also teaches that God takes no physical form, so they too would instantly peg the antichrist as a phony.

Feminist Pagans would reject any god-claim which didn't acknowledge the Goddess.

Atheists would suspect any miracle of being either a trick or a coincidence. An "image of the beast" brought to life could be taken for an artificial intelligence project.

The god-claim of the antichrist being fundamentally incompatible with so many beliefs, who would be left for the antichrist to fool?

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Re: Who would the antichrist fool?

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Tcg wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:45 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:43 pm
Tcg wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:36 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:32 pm
That doesn't look to me like it was authored by someone whose mind is particularly open to examining evidence.
I see. You are now claiming to be a mind reader. When and how did you attain this ability?
I didn't read it in your mind. I read it in one of your posts.
But you claimed to know what was in my mind. Funny huh?
Okay, what was in your mind when you so firmly denied the possibility of any god being shown to exist?

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Re: Who would the antichrist fool?

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[Replying to tam in post #90
Likewise, the omission of the definite article (“a man,” as opposed to “the man”) in 13:18 suggests the general idea of humanity, not some special individual who can be discerned only through an esoteric manner of calculation.
If the number is referring to humankind in general, why should "he who hath understanding" have to do any calculating? What special knowledge is it supposed to reveal?

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Re: Who would the antichrist fool?

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Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:42 pm
Tcg wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:45 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:43 pm
Tcg wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:36 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:32 pm
That doesn't look to me like it was authored by someone whose mind is particularly open to examining evidence.
I see. You are now claiming to be a mind reader. When and how did you attain this ability?
I didn't read it in your mind. I read it in one of your posts.
But you claimed to know what was in my mind. Funny huh?
Okay, what was in your mind when you so firmly denied the possibility of any god being shown to exist?
So, you've stated what you claim was in my mind and are now searching for evidence to support the claim you made previously? You've got that backwards. Nice try.


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Peace to you,
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:57 pm [Replying to tam in post #90
Likewise, the omission of the definite article (“a man,” as opposed to “the man”) in 13:18 suggests the general idea of humanity, not some special individual who can be discerned only through an esoteric manner of calculation.
If the number is referring to humankind in general, why should "he who hath understanding" have to do any calculating? What special knowledge is it supposed to reveal?
I just posted from that article so that you could see that 'a man' is not referring to some supernatural individual "Anti-Christ". "A man" versus "man ".



But that does not say what the mark represents (or what those who receive the mark are doing to receive that mark).





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Tcg wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:26 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:42 pm
Tcg wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:45 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:43 pm
Tcg wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:36 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:32 pm
That doesn't look to me like it was authored by someone whose mind is particularly open to examining evidence.
I see. You are now claiming to be a mind reader. When and how did you attain this ability?
I didn't read it in your mind. I read it in one of your posts.
But you claimed to know what was in my mind. Funny huh?
Okay, what was in your mind when you so firmly denied the possibility of any god being shown to exist?
So, you've stated what you claim was in my mind and are now searching for evidence to support the claim you made previously? You've got that backwards. Nice try.
So I read what was in your post and now you're trying to walk it back? Nice dodge.

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tam wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:28 pm Peace to you,
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:57 pm [Replying to tam in post #90
Likewise, the omission of the definite article (“a man,” as opposed to “the man”) in 13:18 suggests the general idea of humanity, not some special individual who can be discerned only through an esoteric manner of calculation.
If the number is referring to humankind in general, why should "he who hath understanding" have to do any calculating? What special knowledge is it supposed to reveal?
I just posted from that article so that you could see that 'a man' is not referring to some supernatural individual "Anti-Christ". "A man" versus "man ".



But that does not say what the mark represents (or what those who receive the mark are doing to receive that mark).
But that doesn't answer the question of how the mark is supposed to be about humankind in general.

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Peace to you,
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:14 pm
tam wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:28 pm Peace to you,
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:57 pm [Replying to tam in post #90
Likewise, the omission of the definite article (“a man,” as opposed to “the man”) in 13:18 suggests the general idea of humanity, not some special individual who can be discerned only through an esoteric manner of calculation.
If the number is referring to humankind in general, why should "he who hath understanding" have to do any calculating? What special knowledge is it supposed to reveal?
I just posted from that article so that you could see that 'a man' is not referring to some supernatural individual "Anti-Christ". "A man" versus "man ".



But that does not say what the mark represents (or what those who receive the mark are doing to receive that mark).
But that doesn't answer the question of how the mark is supposed to be about humankind in general.
Well then there you go, there is something to 'calculate'; though I don't see anyone figuring it out on their own; Christ is Wisdom... and we are to learn from Him.


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Re: Who would the antichrist fool?

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Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:10 pm
So I read what was in your post and now you're trying to walk it back? Nice dodge.
Nope. You claimed to know what was in my mind. Care to support this claim with you know, verifiable evidence?


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Tcg wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:57 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:10 pm
So I read what was in your post and now you're trying to walk it back? Nice dodge.
Nope. You claimed to know what was in my mind. Care to support this claim with you know, verifiable evidence?
"In reality gods can't be shown to exist anywhere outside of the imagination of human beings.
......none can be shown to actually exist."


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Re: Who would the antichrist fool?

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tam wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:20 pm Peace to you,
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:14 pm
tam wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:28 pm Peace to you,
Athetotheist wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:57 pm [Replying to tam in post #90
Likewise, the omission of the definite article (“a man,” as opposed to “the man”) in 13:18 suggests the general idea of humanity, not some special individual who can be discerned only through an esoteric manner of calculation.
If the number is referring to humankind in general, why should "he who hath understanding" have to do any calculating? What special knowledge is it supposed to reveal?
I just posted from that article so that you could see that 'a man' is not referring to some supernatural individual "Anti-Christ". "A man" versus "man ".



But that does not say what the mark represents (or what those who receive the mark are doing to receive that mark).
But that doesn't answer the question of how the mark is supposed to be about humankind in general.
Well then there you go, there is something to 'calculate'; though I don't see anyone figuring it out on their own; Christ is Wisdom... and we are to learn from Him.
But "he who hath understanding" is supposed to be able to figure it out on his own. Why would it take "understanding" to "calculate" if the answer was just Man in general and stuck right in front of every reader?

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