I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.
Jesus' words:
1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)
2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)
3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)
He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)
5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)
6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)
7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)
To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)
Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?
Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?
JESUS IS NOT GOD
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #721And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:36 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:50 pmSays who? You?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:42 pmSo tell me,kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:04 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:03 pmNo, you are not right.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:18 pmIf you would look closely, OneWay, you'd see that it is the Son who has the new name, not God Almighty. Am I right? (See Revelation 3:12.)kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:40 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:30 pmFather = God is a Spirit = Holy Spirit
Son = God the Holy Spirit dwelling in the body of a human man = Who's name is above all names = Jesus Christ
Holy Spirit = Both Father and Son are one with the Spirit greater than the body = My Father is greater than I
And just for the record in the book of Revelation it is written
that God has a new name. I know it. You do not.
Imagine that.
It clearly shows its the son with the new name.
who's name is above all names?
It was God who made Jesus' name above other names, but it never would include Gods name in that.
Who are you?
A servant of the true God=YHWH(Jehovah) no one is above Jehovah-Psalm 83:18
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #722OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:36 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:50 pmSays who? You?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:42 pmSo tell me,kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:04 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:03 pmNo, you are not right.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:18 pmIf you would look closely, OneWay, you'd see that it is the Son who has the new name, not God Almighty. Am I right? (See Revelation 3:12.)kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:40 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:30 pm Father = God is a Spirit = Holy Spirit
Son = God the Holy Spirit dwelling in the body of a human man = Who's name is above all names = Jesus Christ
Holy Spirit = Both Father and Son are one with the Spirit greater than the body = My Father is greater than I
And just for the record in the book of Revelation it is written
that God has a new name. I know it. You do not.
Imagine that.
It clearly shows its the son with the new name.
who's name is above all names?
It was God who made Jesus' name above other names, but it never would include Gods name in that.
Who are you?
A servant of the true God=YHWH(Jehovah) no one is above Jehovah-Psalm 83:18
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #723How so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:36 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:50 pmSays who? You?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:00 pm
It was God who made Jesus' name above other names, but it never would include Gods name in that.
Who are you?
A servant of the true God=YHWH(Jehovah) no one is above Jehovah-Psalm 83:18
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #724OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:36 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:50 pmSays who? You?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:42 pmSo tell me,kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:04 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:03 pmNo, you are not right.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:18 pm
If you would look closely, OneWay, you'd see that it is the Son who has the new name, not God Almighty. Am I right? (See Revelation 3:12.)
It clearly shows its the son with the new name.
who's name is above all names?
It was God who made Jesus' name above other names, but it never would include Gods name in that.
Who are you?
A servant of the true God=YHWH(Jehovah) no one is above Jehovah-Psalm 83:18
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #725I cannot find anywhere on this forumkjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:36 pm
A servant of the true God=YHWH(Jehovah) no one is above Jehovah-Psalm 83:18
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
where I stated that Jesus was the Father.
You should not say things that are not as you stated them.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #726Do you worship Jesus? Yes or no?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:36 pm
A servant of the true God=YHWH(Jehovah) no one is above Jehovah-Psalm 83:18
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #727OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:06 pmI cannot find anywhere on this forumkjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:36 pm
A servant of the true God=YHWH(Jehovah) no one is above Jehovah-Psalm 83:18
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
where I stated that Jesus was the Father.
You should not say things that are not as you stated them.
Sorry if i erred. Someone had said it. My mistake.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #728No, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pmDo you worship Jesus? Yes or no?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:36 pm
A servant of the true God=YHWH(Jehovah) no one is above Jehovah-Psalm 83:18
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #729Hebrews 1:6kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:42 pmNo, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pmDo you worship Jesus? Yes or no?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
And let all the angels of God worship him.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #730What do you mean "IF" you errored?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:40 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:06 pmI cannot find anywhere on this forumkjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:52 pmHow so I do not believe Jesus? What exactly is it that you say I do not believe that Jesus said to me?kjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:56 pmAnd the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
That explains why you are not free.
Henceforth I call you not servants;
for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth:
but I have called you friends; for all things
that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
That explains why you do not know that
God made the name of the Son to be above every name.
It was not made known to you.
And by the way
What Jesus said is God.
That is above anything written in anything before
His presence on earth in the flesh.
Including King David.
Jesus is Gods son. The only reason Jesus lives to do his Fathers will is because his Father is the supreme one( Elohim)- The reason All authority had to be given to Jesus was from one who is superior to him. Jesus told you, you wont believe him- The Father is greater than i.
You said Jesus was the Father. He is not the Father. The Father is greater than him-all through the bible.
where I stated that Jesus was the Father.
You should not say things that are not as you stated them.
Sorry if i erred. Someone had said it. My mistake.
Can you find anywhere on the forum, I stated what you claimed I stated?
Where I am from we call that a lie.