I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.
Jesus' words:
1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)
2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)
3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)
He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)
5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)
6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)
7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)
To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)
Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?
Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?
JESUS IS NOT GOD
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #741OneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:47 pmWhat's it to you?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:06 pmI am not God, and my name is not Jesus.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:47 pmI do not think God is going to agree with you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:48 amWhat do you mean "IF" you errored?
Can you find anywhere on the forum, I stated what you claimed I stated?
Where I am from we call that a lie.
I admitted i made a mistake. It wasnt a lie. i explained it to you.
God = merciful, loving, forgiving, as is Jesus--What about you?
But I am honored that you use them as a standard to
compare me.
So tell me
why do you pollute the mercy of the living God?
Why do you not value it more than anything?
Since when did God appoint you my judge?
All who actually know Jesus, know 100% that God appointed him judge. And as well knows with the judgement a mortal dishes out God will return the same judgement to him.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #742The Messiah is my God and King. And He does not send a novice.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:54 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:47 pmWhat's it to you?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:06 pmI am not God, and my name is not Jesus.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:00 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:47 pmI do not think God is going to agree with you.
God = merciful, loving, forgiving, as is Jesus--What about you?
But I am honored that you use them as a standard to
compare me.
So tell me
why do you pollute the mercy of the living God?
Why do you not value it more than anything?
Since when did God appoint you my judge?
All who actually know Jesus, know 100% that God appointed him judge. And as well knows with the judgement a mortal dishes out God will return the same judgement to him.
When He wants something done, He sends me.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #743OneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:35 pmThe Messiah is my God and King. And He does not send a novice.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:54 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:47 pmWhat's it to you?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:06 pmI am not God, and my name is not Jesus.
But I am honored that you use them as a standard to
compare me.
So tell me
why do you pollute the mercy of the living God?
Why do you not value it more than anything?
Since when did God appoint you my judge?
All who actually know Jesus, know 100% that God appointed him judge. And as well knows with the judgement a mortal dishes out God will return the same judgement to him.
When He wants something done, He sends me.
dream on--You must teach God has a God then. John 20:17, Rev 3:12
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #744You do not have the wisdom to understand John 20:17, Rev 3:12,kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:02 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:35 pmThe Messiah is my God and King. And He does not send a novice.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:54 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:47 pmWhat's it to you?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:35 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:06 pmI am not God, and my name is not Jesus.
But I am honored that you use them as a standard to
compare me.
So tell me
why do you pollute the mercy of the living God?
Why do you not value it more than anything?
Since when did God appoint you my judge?
All who actually know Jesus, know 100% that God appointed him judge. And as well knows with the judgement a mortal dishes out God will return the same judgement to him.
When He wants something done, He sends me.
dream on--You must teach God has a God then. John 20:17, Rev 3:12
just as you do not have ears to hear
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JESUS is the WORD. Unless you believe there are 2 Gods.
So tell us
do you believe in 2 Gods? Yes or no?
If you say NO then you are agreeing that I am right and you are wrong.
Or you are denying Jesus is the WORD to me.
If you say yes then you have condemned your own self with your own words.
You lose again. Your stubbornness is going to be the demise of you.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #745OneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:24 pmYou do not have the wisdom to understand John 20:17, Rev 3:12,kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:02 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:35 pmThe Messiah is my God and King. And He does not send a novice.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:54 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:47 pmWhat's it to you?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:35 pm
Since when did God appoint you my judge?
All who actually know Jesus, know 100% that God appointed him judge. And as well knows with the judgement a mortal dishes out God will return the same judgement to him.
When He wants something done, He sends me.
dream on--You must teach God has a God then. John 20:17, Rev 3:12
just as you do not have ears to hear
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JESUS is the WORD. Unless you believe there are 2 Gods.
So tell us
do you believe in 2 Gods? Yes or no?
If you say NO then you are agreeing that I am right and you are wrong.
Or you are denying Jesus is the WORD to me.
If you say yes then you have condemned your own self with your own words.
You lose again. Your stubbornness is going to be the demise of you.
Jesus is the word, BUT in the Greek Lexicons at John 1:1--The true God is called Ho Theos in the second line and plain Theos is in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in the second line and a small g god in the last line. Same at 2Cor 4:4--plain theos to the god of this system of things( satan) and Ho Theos to the true God to show the difference of a small g god to satan and capitol G GOD to the true God. translating works the same at both spots. But to fit the false council teaching of God being a trinity Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 misleading billions through the centuries. The sad part of that is that trinity scholars know its fact but say nothing. It proves their religions are false and billions of dollars would be lost every year.
In 1822 a Greek scholar translated the NT from the same Greek Lexicons-A Kneeland--He compared Greek and English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct in the last line at John 1:1, 19 other translations did it correct, 3 had was divine, all rejected by trinity clergy's because fact proves they are false religions and they would no longer exist.
Fact-No trinity god was ever served prior to 381 ce by any servant of the true living God-381ce=the council of Constantinople brought in a trinity. God did not change, those at that council changed him. The Abrahamic God, always was and always will be a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--the real reason John 20:17, Rev 3:12 is truth.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #746Now after giving us your opinion of your doctrine and theology, pleasekjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:19 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:24 pmYou do not have the wisdom to understand John 20:17, Rev 3:12,kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:02 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:35 pmThe Messiah is my God and King. And He does not send a novice.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:54 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:47 pmWhat's it to you?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:35 pm
Since when did God appoint you my judge?
All who actually know Jesus, know 100% that God appointed him judge. And as well knows with the judgement a mortal dishes out God will return the same judgement to him.
When He wants something done, He sends me.
dream on--You must teach God has a God then. John 20:17, Rev 3:12
just as you do not have ears to hear
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JESUS is the WORD. Unless you believe there are 2 Gods.
So tell us
do you believe in 2 Gods? Yes or no?
If you say NO then you are agreeing that I am right and you are wrong.
Or you are denying Jesus is the WORD to me.
If you say yes then you have condemned your own self with your own words.
You lose again. Your stubbornness is going to be the demise of you.
Jesus is the word, BUT in the Greek Lexicons at John 1:1--The true God is called Ho Theos in the second line and plain Theos is in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in the second line and a small g god in the last line. Same at 2Cor 4:4--plain theos to the god of this system of things( satan) and Ho Theos to the true God to show the difference of a small g god to satan and capitol G GOD to the true God. translating works the same at both spots. But to fit the false council teaching of God being a trinity Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 misleading billions through the centuries. The sad part of that is that trinity scholars know its fact but say nothing. It proves their religions are false and billions of dollars would be lost every year.
In 1822 a Greek scholar translated the NT from the same Greek Lexicons-A Kneeland--He compared Greek and English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct in the last line at John 1:1, 19 other translations did it correct, 3 had was divine, all rejected by trinity clergy's because fact proves they are false religions and they would no longer exist.
Fact-No trinity god was ever served prior to 381 ce by any servant of the true living God-381ce=the council of Constantinople brought in a trinity. God did not change, those at that council changed him. The Abrahamic God, always was and always will be a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--the real reason John 20:17, Rev 3:12 is truth.
answer the simple but significent question:
Is the Word that was with God and was God, the same Jesus Christ?
A. Yes
B. No
C. I don't know.
I did so as you can not hide what you believe in
a bunch of blah blah blah no count meaningless configuration of idle words.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #747OneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:31 pmNow after giving us your opinion of your doctrine and theology, pleasekjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:19 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:24 pmYou do not have the wisdom to understand John 20:17, Rev 3:12,kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:02 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:35 pmThe Messiah is my God and King. And He does not send a novice.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:54 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:47 pmWhat's it to you?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:35 pm
Since when did God appoint you my judge?
All who actually know Jesus, know 100% that God appointed him judge. And as well knows with the judgement a mortal dishes out God will return the same judgement to him.
When He wants something done, He sends me.
dream on--You must teach God has a God then. John 20:17, Rev 3:12
just as you do not have ears to hear
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JESUS is the WORD. Unless you believe there are 2 Gods.
So tell us
do you believe in 2 Gods? Yes or no?
If you say NO then you are agreeing that I am right and you are wrong.
Or you are denying Jesus is the WORD to me.
If you say yes then you have condemned your own self with your own words.
You lose again. Your stubbornness is going to be the demise of you.
Jesus is the word, BUT in the Greek Lexicons at John 1:1--The true God is called Ho Theos in the second line and plain Theos is in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in the second line and a small g god in the last line. Same at 2Cor 4:4--plain theos to the god of this system of things( satan) and Ho Theos to the true God to show the difference of a small g god to satan and capitol G GOD to the true God. translating works the same at both spots. But to fit the false council teaching of God being a trinity Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 misleading billions through the centuries. The sad part of that is that trinity scholars know its fact but say nothing. It proves their religions are false and billions of dollars would be lost every year.
In 1822 a Greek scholar translated the NT from the same Greek Lexicons-A Kneeland--He compared Greek and English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct in the last line at John 1:1, 19 other translations did it correct, 3 had was divine, all rejected by trinity clergy's because fact proves they are false religions and they would no longer exist.
Fact-No trinity god was ever served prior to 381 ce by any servant of the true living God-381ce=the council of Constantinople brought in a trinity. God did not change, those at that council changed him. The Abrahamic God, always was and always will be a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--the real reason John 20:17, Rev 3:12 is truth.
answer the simple but significent question:
Is the Word that was with God and was God, the same Jesus Christ?
A. Yes
B. No
C. I don't know.
I did so as you can not hide what you believe in
a bunch of blah blah blah no count meaningless configuration of idle words.
I explained reality to you in my previous post. Jesus wasnt God capitol G, He is a god small g--that means-has godlike qualities.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #748I don't care about your nonsense explanations.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:47 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:31 pmNow after giving us your opinion of your doctrine and theology, pleasekjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:19 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:24 pmYou do not have the wisdom to understand John 20:17, Rev 3:12,kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:02 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:35 pmThe Messiah is my God and King. And He does not send a novice.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:54 pm
All who actually know Jesus, know 100% that God appointed him judge. And as well knows with the judgement a mortal dishes out God will return the same judgement to him.
When He wants something done, He sends me.
dream on--You must teach God has a God then. John 20:17, Rev 3:12
just as you do not have ears to hear
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JESUS is the WORD. Unless you believe there are 2 Gods.
So tell us
do you believe in 2 Gods? Yes or no?
If you say NO then you are agreeing that I am right and you are wrong.
Or you are denying Jesus is the WORD to me.
If you say yes then you have condemned your own self with your own words.
You lose again. Your stubbornness is going to be the demise of you.
Jesus is the word, BUT in the Greek Lexicons at John 1:1--The true God is called Ho Theos in the second line and plain Theos is in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in the second line and a small g god in the last line. Same at 2Cor 4:4--plain theos to the god of this system of things( satan) and Ho Theos to the true God to show the difference of a small g god to satan and capitol G GOD to the true God. translating works the same at both spots. But to fit the false council teaching of God being a trinity Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 misleading billions through the centuries. The sad part of that is that trinity scholars know its fact but say nothing. It proves their religions are false and billions of dollars would be lost every year.
In 1822 a Greek scholar translated the NT from the same Greek Lexicons-A Kneeland--He compared Greek and English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct in the last line at John 1:1, 19 other translations did it correct, 3 had was divine, all rejected by trinity clergy's because fact proves they are false religions and they would no longer exist.
Fact-No trinity god was ever served prior to 381 ce by any servant of the true living God-381ce=the council of Constantinople brought in a trinity. God did not change, those at that council changed him. The Abrahamic God, always was and always will be a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--the real reason John 20:17, Rev 3:12 is truth.
answer the simple but significent question:
Is the Word that was with God and was God, the same Jesus Christ?
A. Yes
B. No
C. I don't know.
I did so as you can not hide what you believe in
a bunch of blah blah blah no count meaningless configuration of idle words.
I explained reality to you in my previous post. Jesus wasnt God capitol G, He is a god small g--that means-has godlike qualities.
I just wanted God to see you deny that the Word is God, to which is Jesus Christ.
Now it is official. You take care if you can.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #749OneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:25 pmI don't care about your nonsense explanations.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:47 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:31 pmNow after giving us your opinion of your doctrine and theology, pleasekjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:19 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:24 pmYou do not have the wisdom to understand John 20:17, Rev 3:12,kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:02 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:35 pmThe Messiah is my God and King. And He does not send a novice.
When He wants something done, He sends me.
dream on--You must teach God has a God then. John 20:17, Rev 3:12
just as you do not have ears to hear
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JESUS is the WORD. Unless you believe there are 2 Gods.
So tell us
do you believe in 2 Gods? Yes or no?
If you say NO then you are agreeing that I am right and you are wrong.
Or you are denying Jesus is the WORD to me.
If you say yes then you have condemned your own self with your own words.
You lose again. Your stubbornness is going to be the demise of you.
Jesus is the word, BUT in the Greek Lexicons at John 1:1--The true God is called Ho Theos in the second line and plain Theos is in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in the second line and a small g god in the last line. Same at 2Cor 4:4--plain theos to the god of this system of things( satan) and Ho Theos to the true God to show the difference of a small g god to satan and capitol G GOD to the true God. translating works the same at both spots. But to fit the false council teaching of God being a trinity Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 misleading billions through the centuries. The sad part of that is that trinity scholars know its fact but say nothing. It proves their religions are false and billions of dollars would be lost every year.
In 1822 a Greek scholar translated the NT from the same Greek Lexicons-A Kneeland--He compared Greek and English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct in the last line at John 1:1, 19 other translations did it correct, 3 had was divine, all rejected by trinity clergy's because fact proves they are false religions and they would no longer exist.
Fact-No trinity god was ever served prior to 381 ce by any servant of the true living God-381ce=the council of Constantinople brought in a trinity. God did not change, those at that council changed him. The Abrahamic God, always was and always will be a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--the real reason John 20:17, Rev 3:12 is truth.
answer the simple but significent question:
Is the Word that was with God and was God, the same Jesus Christ?
A. Yes
B. No
C. I don't know.
I did so as you can not hide what you believe in
a bunch of blah blah blah no count meaningless configuration of idle words.
I explained reality to you in my previous post. Jesus wasnt God capitol G, He is a god small g--that means-has godlike qualities.
I just wanted God to see you deny that the Word is God, to which is Jesus Christ.
Now it is official. You take care if you can.
I posted 100% fact sir. You best check into reality.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #750You sure did, your post verified, that you deny the Word is God,kjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:25 pmI don't care about your nonsense explanations.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:47 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:31 pmNow after giving us your opinion of your doctrine and theology, pleasekjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:19 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:24 pmYou do not have the wisdom to understand John 20:17, Rev 3:12,
just as you do not have ears to hear
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JESUS is the WORD. Unless you believe there are 2 Gods.
So tell us
do you believe in 2 Gods? Yes or no?
If you say NO then you are agreeing that I am right and you are wrong.
Or you are denying Jesus is the WORD to me.
If you say yes then you have condemned your own self with your own words.
You lose again. Your stubbornness is going to be the demise of you.
Jesus is the word, BUT in the Greek Lexicons at John 1:1--The true God is called Ho Theos in the second line and plain Theos is in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in the second line and a small g god in the last line. Same at 2Cor 4:4--plain theos to the god of this system of things( satan) and Ho Theos to the true God to show the difference of a small g god to satan and capitol G GOD to the true God. translating works the same at both spots. But to fit the false council teaching of God being a trinity Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line at John 1:1 misleading billions through the centuries. The sad part of that is that trinity scholars know its fact but say nothing. It proves their religions are false and billions of dollars would be lost every year.
In 1822 a Greek scholar translated the NT from the same Greek Lexicons-A Kneeland--He compared Greek and English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct in the last line at John 1:1, 19 other translations did it correct, 3 had was divine, all rejected by trinity clergy's because fact proves they are false religions and they would no longer exist.
Fact-No trinity god was ever served prior to 381 ce by any servant of the true living God-381ce=the council of Constantinople brought in a trinity. God did not change, those at that council changed him. The Abrahamic God, always was and always will be a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--the real reason John 20:17, Rev 3:12 is truth.
answer the simple but significent question:
Is the Word that was with God and was God, the same Jesus Christ?
A. Yes
B. No
C. I don't know.
I did so as you can not hide what you believe in
a bunch of blah blah blah no count meaningless configuration of idle words.
I explained reality to you in my previous post. Jesus wasnt God capitol G, He is a god small g--that means-has godlike qualities.
I just wanted God to see you deny that the Word is God, to which is Jesus Christ.
Now it is official. You take care if you can.
I posted 100% fact sir. You best check into reality.
as a 100% reality of what you believe.
Bravo Bravo.
Well done.