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How many religions came from America?

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Is it evidence for or against religions if they came from America?

For instance Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Are there more? Scientology. Any more?

I would argue it is evidence against the religion because America has quite literally nothing the to do with the Bible. What other evidence flows from a religion coming from America?
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kjw47 wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:50 pm Words of a deceived man.
But everybody seems to be, according to you.
Thousands of Christian churches are guided by the devil, and demons abound in the aisles.....or something like that. ....true?
Your interpretation of the gospels, those that you have actually read, are correct, whilst all others are inspired by Satan. ....true?
And as for us deists, pagans, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and more, salvation is not for us.

You believe that Jesus is the son of God, and a Holy spirit, but Trinity Christians are all devil-guided. ....true?

......... you've got it right........ true?

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oldbadger wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:28 am
kjw47 wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:50 pm Words of a deceived man.
But everybody seems to be, according to you.
Thousands of Christian churches are guided by the devil, and demons abound in the aisles.....or something like that. ....true?
Your interpretation of the gospels, those that you have actually read, are correct, whilst all others are inspired by Satan. ....true?
And as for us deists, pagans, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and more, salvation is not for us.

You believe that Jesus is the son of God, and a Holy spirit, but Trinity Christians are all devil-guided. ....true?

......... you've got it right........ true?

So then you believe God has a God? Jesus does-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Satan leads all false religions on earth. He has ever since the days of Babel.

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kjw47 wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:38 pm
So then you believe God has a God? Jesus does-John 20:17, Rev 3:12
No..... I believe that the supreme force and power here is what I call Mother Nature.
You have to obey her as well, of course, in everything.
--Satan leads all false religions on earth. He has ever since the days of Babel.
So yours is the only true religion, I'm guessing?
Question:- Suppose that more and more people joined your religion, became JWs. Suppose that JWs become a majority in a western country, so that they could vote for the Watchtower to become that country's guidance, advisor and leader..... can you ever imagine something like that happening?

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oldbadger wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:48 am
kjw47 wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:38 pm
So then you believe God has a God? Jesus does-John 20:17, Rev 3:12
No..... I believe that the supreme force and power here is what I call Mother Nature.
You have to obey her as well, of course, in everything.
--Satan leads all false religions on earth. He has ever since the days of Babel.
So yours is the only true religion, I'm guessing?
Question:- Suppose that more and more people joined your religion, became JWs. Suppose that JWs become a majority in a western country, so that they could vote for the Watchtower to become that country's guidance, advisor and leader..... can you ever imagine something like that happening?

There would be no more war, hatred, greed, Etc.

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kjw47 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:11 pm There would be no more war, hatred, greed, Etc.
Would you need police, or soldiers? Suppose your neighbours wanted to come in and take control of your land and it's people?
Would you have an army? How about Police?
There would still be lots of people in your land who would not be JWs, so what about them?
Would you have rules and laws? Taxes? Schools? etc?

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oldbadger wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:17 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:11 pm There would be no more war, hatred, greed, Etc.
Would you need police, or soldiers? Suppose your neighbours wanted to come in and take control of your land and it's people?
Would you have an army? How about Police?
There would still be lots of people in your land who would not be JWs, so what about them?
Would you have rules and laws? Taxes? Schools? etc?

Not much sense speaking of ifs.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:14 pm
oldbadger wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:17 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:11 pm There would be no more war, hatred, greed, Etc.
Would you need police, or soldiers? Suppose your neighbours wanted to come in and take control of your land and it's people?
Would you have an army? How about Police?
There would still be lots of people in your land who would not be JWs, so what about them?
Would you have rules and laws? Taxes? Schools? etc?

Not much sense speaking of ifs.
No? One of the very first words to ask when reviewing for risks is 'If'....
And imo the JWs would indeed introduce a theocracy in a land which was controlled by the WatchTower.

It would be a fairly terrifying place to live for such as same-sex couples, or a girl who likes to dress up and go clubbing, etc. The JWs around here are very good people, I think, but I wouldn't want the people here to be governed by their leaders.

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oldbadger wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:41 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:14 pm
oldbadger wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:17 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:11 pm There would be no more war, hatred, greed, Etc.
Would you need police, or soldiers? Suppose your neighbours wanted to come in and take control of your land and it's people?
Would you have an army? How about Police?
There would still be lots of people in your land who would not be JWs, so what about them?
Would you have rules and laws? Taxes? Schools? etc?

Not much sense speaking of ifs.
No? One of the very first words to ask when reviewing for risks is 'If'....
And imo the JWs would indeed introduce a theocracy in a land which was controlled by the WatchTower.

It would be a fairly terrifying place to live for such as same-sex couples, or a girl who likes to dress up and go clubbing, etc. The JWs around here are very good people, I think, but I wouldn't want the people here to be governed by their lead
Jw,s follow Gods law, its men who stand in opposition and say same sex couples are ok-1Cor 6:9-11--God doesnt accept man and woman having sex out of marriage either.

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:20 pm
Jw,s follow Gods law, its men who stand in opposition and say same sex couples are ok-1Cor 6:9-11--God doesnt accept man and woman having sex out of marriage either.
Hang on.......... your only law is to love, you actually wrote that earlier on. You don't take so much notice of laws, you have mentioned before.
Now you quote Paul rather than Jesus and seem to be clinging to ancient laws written for the Israelites over 3000 years ago, which were really needed back then but not so important now.

And God did and does accept man and woman having sex out of marriage, and Males were allowed to take captured female virgins as slaves in to their homes and have children with them, as well as their wives. So long as the Israelites were growing fast, with sickness reduced, then they were getting stronger....= success.

So there's the Old Testament Law which your leaders would trawl through to produce a legislation for enforcement. So, no love for all after all.
But although your halls are full to overflowing in stark contrast to most of the churches that lay empty, I don't think that the JWs will ever be big enough to control the lives of the citizens of a whole country.

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oldbadger wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:26 am
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:20 pm
Jw,s follow Gods law, its men who stand in opposition and say same sex couples are ok-1Cor 6:9-11--God doesnt accept man and woman having sex out of marriage either.
Hang on.......... your only law is to love, you actually wrote that earlier on. You don't take so much notice of laws, you have mentioned before.
Now you quote Paul rather than Jesus and seem to be clinging to ancient laws written for the Israelites over 3000 years ago, which were really needed back then but not so important now.

And God did and does accept man and woman having sex out of marriage, and Males were allowed to take captured female virgins as slaves in to their homes and have children with them, as well as their wives. So long as the Israelites were growing fast, with sickness reduced, then they were getting stronger....= success.

So there's the Old Testament Law which your leaders would trawl through to produce a legislation for enforcement. So, no love for all after all.
But although your halls are full to overflowing in stark contrast to most of the churches that lay empty, I don't think that the JWs will ever be big enough to control the lives of the citizens of a whole country.

Thats right, JW,s dont control themselves either, Jesus is head of the congregation. Its Gods kingdom rule that will rule over all creation.
Fornication= sex out of marriage Eph 5:5 says fornicators will have no part in the kingdom of God or Jesus. Rev 21:8--fornicators will go into the lake of fire.

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