The Debilitating Effect of Taking Genesis Literally

[Diogenes]

The proposition for debate is that when one takes the tales of Genesis literally, one becomes intellectually disabled, at least temporarily. Taking Genesis literally requires one to reject biology (which includes evolution) and other sciences in favor of 'magic.' Geology and radiometric dating have to be rejected since the Earth formed only about 6000 years ago, during the same week the Earth was made (in a single day).

Much of the debate in the topic of Science and Religion consists of theists who insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis rejecting basic science. Most of the resulting debates are not worth engaging in.

[JoeyKnothead]

You should find other places to inhabit beyond abortion clinics. For many mothers, the bottom line is how will they provide housing, clothes, and schooling for their rapist's child.

Easy. You know the percentage of abortions that are due to rape??!! You realize many people would love to adopt? Connect the dots.

What percentage of such rapes do you find it acceptable to force the mother to risk her life to give birth?

Here are stats from one site.

"WHY DO ABORTIONS OCCUR?

In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.
Percentage Reason
<0.5% Victim of rape"

https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_a ... tatistics/

Of that half of one percent I would ask how many actually were raped and how many just said they were and who checks?

Of those that can be confirmed to've been raped, how many do you think were asking for it?

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to dad1 in post #540]

That should be obvious, since they opened for a short time and then closed many thousands of years ago. Expecting them to be there now is lunacy.

What is lunacy is any idea that these "windows" existed at all at any point in Earth's history. Water has never existed at sufficient concentrations above the Earth's exosphere, close enough to the planet to fall through "windows", to cause a global flood on Earth. There is negligible H2O in interplanetary space. And if these imaginary windows were actually beyond the stars (!) as you suggest, it is an even more ridiculous argument given how far even the closest star to Earth is. Do you seriously believe this stuff?

[dad1]

What percentage of such rapes do you find it acceptable to force the mother to risk her life to give birth?

I find that talking about less than half a percent of the total number is a diversion. Would you disagree that there are more than enough people willing to adopt every possible rape scenario if the parent refused to do so? What evidence do you have for your claim that women who say they were raped (or were raped) somehow are in greater danger than the average woman having a baby? Prove it. Pretty lame.

[dad1]

What is lunacy is any idea that these "windows" existed at all at any point in Earth's history.

Prove it. Prove that no window of heaven opened and closed? That is like saying no angel ever visited earth! prove it! You have one option. Admit ignorance, because you have no way to know either way. You cannot speak from a position of knowledge or authority.

Water has never existed at sufficient concentrations above the Earth's exosphere, close enough to the planet to fall through "windows",

No one said that.
I pointed out that there was water above the firmament (space..where the stars are) That is probably the water that came down in the windows. Not some mystery water hovering over the planet.

to cause a global flood on Earth. There is negligible H2O in interplanetary space.

The stars are all IN the firmament. It is that firmament that divided the waters below it and above it. No water needs to be in the firmament where the stars are.

And if these imaginary windows were actually beyond the stars (!) as you suggest, it is an even more ridiculous argument given how far even the closest star to Earth is. Do you seriously believe this stuff?

The windows were right here. The water they allowed to enter earth by opening was probably from the other side of the firmament. (space-where the stars are) There were also conduits to the inner earth that opened at the same time, also allowing water to come up to the surface.

[JoeyKnothead]

What percentage of such rapes do you find it acceptable to force the mother to risk her life to give birth?

I find that talking about less than half a percent of the total number is a diversion.

Of that number, how many of these victims do you think consider their rape, and resultant pregnancy, a diversion?

Would you disagree that there are more than enough people willing to adopt every possible rape scenario if the parent refused to do so?

Beats me. My position is that a woman's right to control her body supercedes someone else's right to turn her into a brood mare.

What evidence do you have for your claim that women who say they were raped (or were raped) somehow are in greater danger than the average woman having a baby? Prove it. Pretty lame.

Please link to and quote verbatim where I claimed danger odds were equal, or different.

What's lame here is some zealot trying to make a woman's medical decisions for her.

[dad1]

Of that number, how many of these victims do you think consider their rape, and resultant pregnancy, a diversion?

The issue is diverting from the total murder number to a fraction of a percent. To claim the victims of crime think that is some sort of diversion is dishonest and avoiding the issue.

Beats me. My position is that a woman's right to control her body supercedes someone else's right to turn her into a brood mare.

A little persons right in the womb supersedes anyone's right to kill it.

Please link to and quote verbatim where I claimed danger odds were equal, or different.

post 543

"What percentage of such rapes do you find it acceptable to force the mother to risk her life to give birth?" -you

How is a mother risking her life to give birth? How is a woman who was raped risking her life any more than any other woman on earth giving birth??

What's lame here is some zealot trying to make a woman's medical decisions for her.

Snuffing a little person in the womb is or should not be a medical decision. A medical decision should involve saving life. Murder is not a medical decision.

[brunumb]

What percentage of such rapes do you find it acceptable to force the mother to risk her life to give birth?

I find that talking about less than half a percent of the total number is a diversion. Would you disagree that there are more than enough people willing to adopt every possible rape scenario if the parent refused to do so? What evidence do you have for your claim that women who say they were raped (or were raped) somehow are in greater danger than the average woman having a baby? Prove it. Pretty lame.

All irrelevant given that God is the greatest abortionist of all.

[dad1]

All irrelevant given that God is the greatest abortionist of all.

Blasphemy is not debate

[brunumb]

All irrelevant given that God is the greatest abortionist of all.

Blasphemy is not debate

The stats speak for themselves. Around three quarters of all conceptions fail to reach term without human intervention. That puts your God right in the frame. Seems he doesn't really give a toss about human life at all.

Blasphemy is just another irrelevancy by the way.

[dad1]

The stats speak for themselves. Around three quarters of all conceptions fail to reach term without human intervention. That puts your God right in the frame. Seems he doesn't really give a toss about human life at all.

He gave His Own life to save us. That is caring. If there are natural mechanisms that regulate the way babies are born, resulting in many not working out, God has reasons. Additionally we should remember that we are in a fallen wicked world, in which there are many dangers to life as a result. Wars, diseases, poisons, pollution etc etc. That is a result of rebelling against God so we cannot blame God for that. It is not the same when man sacrifices little people as having some natural reasons for a pregnancy not to be successful.