JESUS IS NOT GOD

Exploring the details of Christianity

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
User avatar
onewithhim
Savant
Posts: 8904
Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:56 pm
Location: Norwich, CT
Has thanked: 1217 times
Been thanked: 305 times

JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #1

Post by onewithhim »

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

OneWay
Banned
Banned
Posts: 464
Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:37 pm
Been thanked: 7 times

Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #781

Post by OneWay »

kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:26 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:13 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:34 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:25 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:18 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:02 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:39 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:43 pm I have already defeated you but for the sake of the record
I will debate you one more time over this issue.

Here is your opening statement:



You have quoted from the bible as your source
and reference as to that which you say proves I am wrong.
Here is my counter argument and rebuttal to your opening statement
taken from the same book in the bible that you have taken as your
source and reference as to that which you say proves I am wrong.
And I have also included the verse from the same bible, Revelation 19:13,
to which validates and proves the John 1:1,
the Word is Jesus Christ and He is the one true living almighty God.:

Is this verse from the book of John 1:1,
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
True or false?

If you say true, then I win the debate.
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood:
and his name is called The Word of God.

If you say false then I still win the debate for
you will have defeated the validity of your source and
reference.



I win again.

You lose again.


Your post is false. In the Greek Lexicons, the true God called- Ho Theos in the second line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in 2nd line and small g god in the last line=100% fact. Theos is the only word for either God or god in Greek, to show the difference i explained above when both are in the same paragraph-2 Cor 4:4 the only other spot. Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line to fit false council teaching of God being a trinity-He never was or ever will be-LOOK. 100% fact of life--Israel never served a trinity when serving the true God.
My post is not false. And the Greek Lexicons are flawed and they are of no authority
with me or the truth. If so prove it. Your theology is false and I presented my case before
the living God. He will decide if it is true or not, not you.


And if God decides I am right and you are wrong.
You will pay for it.

Get ready to pay for it.

And here you are again making up things that I did not say.
I said nothing about a trinity.
In fact there is no trinity.

You see
You have not the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That is why you are lost and believe a doctrine with errors.

I know 100% its you who are in error. The whole reason there are 41,000 different religions claiming to be christian is because of confusion caused by Catholicism translating to fit false council teachings. They are a house divided, they will not stand. They fail this true mark 100%-1Cor 1:10--unity of thought(all of Gods 1 truth) no division.= 1 single religion has Jesus.
The Spirit of wisdom said to me,
" Ask Him how many times in his life did he believe
100% it was something else or someone else that was in error
and not him, that later on he found out it was him that was deceived?"

And I am not a Christian.

So tell us,
how many times in your life
when you believed you were a 100% right
about something, only to find out later on,
you were wrong?

ADD THIS TIME TO THAT VERY LONG LIST.

The teachings of Jesus prove my teachers correct. The facts of true God worship history prove my teachers correct, so what do the others have=error.
Jesus said His Father and Him were one.
Go ask your teacher, one what? Then come back and tell me what he said.

Jesus and His Father is one, what?

Your answer?____________________________________________

Everyone already knows that answer--They are one in purpose, the living to do the Fathers will. It went on to say all followers would be one with them--obviously in purpose. Jesus assures only those living now to do his Fathers will( just like he does-John 5:30) get to enter his kingdom(be saved) Matt 7:21

If your thinking was correct and they are one in being, God would be insane--He would have fathered himself, prayed to himself, And Rev 1:1 said--here me have a revelation. But we all know none of that is true-- they are one in purpose.
No matter what truth is presented to you,
you will only come up with more NONSENCE to reply.
I have already defeated you. And God has already decided
with me and not you. But having said all that and be it as it may,
I say to you and I said to God, that you are all talk and no walk.
I told God that when it comes to you having to step out and put it all on the line
and put up your life and soul upon your words, and not just be able to walk away
with nothing lost as you think here on this forum with me, you will cut and run.
I told God that you will not do anything but talk the talk.

So how about,
let's you and I settle this before the living God once and for all.
He will judge between you and I. Winner takes all.

I say that Jesus Christ is the living God.
You say that Jesus Christ is not the living God.

I put up everything against you putting up everything
before the living God. Winner takes all.

If you are right you take it all.
If you are wrong I take it all.

Do you accept the challenge before God?

YES, I accept the challenge.
NO, I do not accept the challenge.

If you do answer
or you do not answer with a
YES, I accept the challenge.

Then it will be counted as a NO, you do not accept the challenge.

I say your going to cut and run
that you do not have faith in what you believe
as being the truth so much as putting all on the line before God.
Prove me wrong.


Jesus answered you-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- as did his real teachers-Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17, 1Peter 1:3-- You wont believe them over the errors in your translations that contradict them.
So do you believe God has a God then?
No He did not, your making things up again.
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.

OneWay
Banned
Banned
Posts: 464
Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:37 pm
Been thanked: 7 times

Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #782

Post by OneWay »

kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:33 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:39 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:43 pm I have already defeated you but for the sake of the record
I will debate you one more time over this issue.

Here is your opening statement:

kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:26 pm Jesus is 100% clear at John 17:3--he said the Father= one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD--all of Jesus' real followers believe him. Those teaching anything else is calling him a liar.
You have quoted from the bible as your source
and reference as to that which you say proves I am wrong.
Here is my counter argument and rebuttal to your opening statement
taken from the same book in the bible that you have taken as your
source and reference as to that which you say proves I am wrong.
And I have also included the verse from the same bible, Revelation 19:13,
to which validates and proves the John 1:1,
the Word is Jesus Christ and He is the one true living almighty God.:

Is this verse from the book of John 1:1,
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
True or false?

If you say true, then I win the debate.
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood:
and his name is called The Word of God.

If you say false then I still win the debate for
you will have defeated the validity of your source and
reference.



I win again.

You lose again.


Your post is false. In the Greek Lexicons, the true God called- Ho Theos in the second line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in 2nd line and small g god in the last line=100% fact. Theos is the only word for either God or god in Greek, to show the difference i explained above when both are in the same paragraph-2 Cor 4:4 the only other spot. Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line to fit false council teaching of God being a trinity-He never was or ever will be-LOOK. 100% fact of life--Israel never served a trinity when serving the true God.
My post is not false. And the Greek Lexicons are flawed and they are of no authority
with me or the truth. If so prove it. Your theology is false and I presented my case before
the living God. He will decide if it is true or not, not you.


And if God decides I am right and you are wrong.
You will pay for it.

Get ready to pay for it.

And here you are again making up things that I did not say.
I said nothing about a trinity.
In fact there is no trinity.

You see
You have not the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That is why you are lost and believe a doctrine with errors.

Jesus says the opposite of you-Rev 3:12
No He did not, your making things up again.
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.

OneWay
Banned
Banned
Posts: 464
Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:37 pm
Been thanked: 7 times

Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #783

Post by OneWay »

If you notice all these people who oppose me
can not over come anything I say. All they can do is post the same one or 2 verse from the whole bible
and point to it and say to me...see this, this means WHAT I SAY IT MEANS and I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.
Then when I defeat it they repeat the same thing over again.

They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the doctrine of devils and men.

They are gone. It will take an act of God to rescue them from
the bondage they have been enslaved within.

kjw47
Under Probation
Posts: 1069
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:37 pm
Has thanked: 52 times
Been thanked: 88 times

Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #784

Post by kjw47 »

OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:42 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:26 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:13 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:34 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:25 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:18 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:02 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:39 pm


Your post is false. In the Greek Lexicons, the true God called- Ho Theos in the second line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in 2nd line and small g god in the last line=100% fact. Theos is the only word for either God or god in Greek, to show the difference i explained above when both are in the same paragraph-2 Cor 4:4 the only other spot. Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line to fit false council teaching of God being a trinity-He never was or ever will be-LOOK. 100% fact of life--Israel never served a trinity when serving the true God.
My post is not false. And the Greek Lexicons are flawed and they are of no authority
with me or the truth. If so prove it. Your theology is false and I presented my case before
the living God. He will decide if it is true or not, not you.


And if God decides I am right and you are wrong.
You will pay for it.

Get ready to pay for it.

And here you are again making up things that I did not say.
I said nothing about a trinity.
In fact there is no trinity.

You see
You have not the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That is why you are lost and believe a doctrine with errors.

I know 100% its you who are in error. The whole reason there are 41,000 different religions claiming to be christian is because of confusion caused by Catholicism translating to fit false council teachings. They are a house divided, they will not stand. They fail this true mark 100%-1Cor 1:10--unity of thought(all of Gods 1 truth) no division.= 1 single religion has Jesus.
The Spirit of wisdom said to me,
" Ask Him how many times in his life did he believe
100% it was something else or someone else that was in error
and not him, that later on he found out it was him that was deceived?"

And I am not a Christian.

So tell us,
how many times in your life
when you believed you were a 100% right
about something, only to find out later on,
you were wrong?

ADD THIS TIME TO THAT VERY LONG LIST.

The teachings of Jesus prove my teachers correct. The facts of true God worship history prove my teachers correct, so what do the others have=error.
Jesus said His Father and Him were one.
Go ask your teacher, one what? Then come back and tell me what he said.

Jesus and His Father is one, what?

Your answer?____________________________________________

Everyone already knows that answer--They are one in purpose, the living to do the Fathers will. It went on to say all followers would be one with them--obviously in purpose. Jesus assures only those living now to do his Fathers will( just like he does-John 5:30) get to enter his kingdom(be saved) Matt 7:21

If your thinking was correct and they are one in being, God would be insane--He would have fathered himself, prayed to himself, And Rev 1:1 said--here me have a revelation. But we all know none of that is true-- they are one in purpose.
No matter what truth is presented to you,
you will only come up with more NONSENCE to reply.
I have already defeated you. And God has already decided
with me and not you. But having said all that and be it as it may,
I say to you and I said to God, that you are all talk and no walk.
I told God that when it comes to you having to step out and put it all on the line
and put up your life and soul upon your words, and not just be able to walk away
with nothing lost as you think here on this forum with me, you will cut and run.
I told God that you will not do anything but talk the talk.

So how about,
let's you and I settle this before the living God once and for all.
He will judge between you and I. Winner takes all.

I say that Jesus Christ is the living God.
You say that Jesus Christ is not the living God.

I put up everything against you putting up everything
before the living God. Winner takes all.

If you are right you take it all.
If you are wrong I take it all.

Do you accept the challenge before God?

YES, I accept the challenge.
NO, I do not accept the challenge.

If you do answer
or you do not answer with a
YES, I accept the challenge.

Then it will be counted as a NO, you do not accept the challenge.

I say your going to cut and run
that you do not have faith in what you believe
as being the truth so much as putting all on the line before God.
Prove me wrong.


Jesus answered you-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- as did his real teachers-Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17, 1Peter 1:3-- You wont believe them over the errors in your translations that contradict them.
So do you believe God has a God then?
No He did not, your making things up again.
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.

Did not Jesus teach-the Father is his God as did Paul and Peter as i showed you?

kjw47
Under Probation
Posts: 1069
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:37 pm
Has thanked: 52 times
Been thanked: 88 times

Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #785

Post by kjw47 »

OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:44 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:33 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:39 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:43 pm I have already defeated you but for the sake of the record
I will debate you one more time over this issue.

Here is your opening statement:

kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:26 pm Jesus is 100% clear at John 17:3--he said the Father= one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD--all of Jesus' real followers believe him. Those teaching anything else is calling him a liar.
You have quoted from the bible as your source
and reference as to that which you say proves I am wrong.
Here is my counter argument and rebuttal to your opening statement
taken from the same book in the bible that you have taken as your
source and reference as to that which you say proves I am wrong.
And I have also included the verse from the same bible, Revelation 19:13,
to which validates and proves the John 1:1,
the Word is Jesus Christ and He is the one true living almighty God.:

Is this verse from the book of John 1:1,
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
True or false?

If you say true, then I win the debate.
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood:
and his name is called The Word of God.

If you say false then I still win the debate for
you will have defeated the validity of your source and
reference.



I win again.

You lose again.


Your post is false. In the Greek Lexicons, the true God called- Ho Theos in the second line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in 2nd line and small g god in the last line=100% fact. Theos is the only word for either God or god in Greek, to show the difference i explained above when both are in the same paragraph-2 Cor 4:4 the only other spot. Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line to fit false council teaching of God being a trinity-He never was or ever will be-LOOK. 100% fact of life--Israel never served a trinity when serving the true God.
My post is not false. And the Greek Lexicons are flawed and they are of no authority
with me or the truth. If so prove it. Your theology is false and I presented my case before
the living God. He will decide if it is true or not, not you.


And if God decides I am right and you are wrong.
You will pay for it.

Get ready to pay for it.

And here you are again making up things that I did not say.
I said nothing about a trinity.
In fact there is no trinity.

You see
You have not the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That is why you are lost and believe a doctrine with errors.

Jesus says the opposite of you-Rev 3:12
No He did not, your making things up again.
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.

Tell us all what did i insert? Did not Jesus stress 4 x in that single paragraph and say--MY GOD.

OneWay
Banned
Banned
Posts: 464
Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:37 pm
Been thanked: 7 times

Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #786

Post by OneWay »

kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:58 pm
OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:42 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:26 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:13 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:34 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:25 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:18 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:02 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:45 pm My post is not false. And the Greek Lexicons are flawed and they are of no authority
with me or the truth. If so prove it. Your theology is false and I presented my case before
the living God. He will decide if it is true or not, not you.


And if God decides I am right and you are wrong.
You will pay for it.

Get ready to pay for it.

And here you are again making up things that I did not say.
I said nothing about a trinity.
In fact there is no trinity.

You see
You have not the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That is why you are lost and believe a doctrine with errors.

I know 100% its you who are in error. The whole reason there are 41,000 different religions claiming to be christian is because of confusion caused by Catholicism translating to fit false council teachings. They are a house divided, they will not stand. They fail this true mark 100%-1Cor 1:10--unity of thought(all of Gods 1 truth) no division.= 1 single religion has Jesus.
The Spirit of wisdom said to me,
" Ask Him how many times in his life did he believe
100% it was something else or someone else that was in error
and not him, that later on he found out it was him that was deceived?"

And I am not a Christian.

So tell us,
how many times in your life
when you believed you were a 100% right
about something, only to find out later on,
you were wrong?

ADD THIS TIME TO THAT VERY LONG LIST.

The teachings of Jesus prove my teachers correct. The facts of true God worship history prove my teachers correct, so what do the others have=error.
Jesus said His Father and Him were one.
Go ask your teacher, one what? Then come back and tell me what he said.

Jesus and His Father is one, what?

Your answer?____________________________________________

Everyone already knows that answer--They are one in purpose, the living to do the Fathers will. It went on to say all followers would be one with them--obviously in purpose. Jesus assures only those living now to do his Fathers will( just like he does-John 5:30) get to enter his kingdom(be saved) Matt 7:21

If your thinking was correct and they are one in being, God would be insane--He would have fathered himself, prayed to himself, And Rev 1:1 said--here me have a revelation. But we all know none of that is true-- they are one in purpose.
No matter what truth is presented to you,
you will only come up with more NONSENCE to reply.
I have already defeated you. And God has already decided
with me and not you. But having said all that and be it as it may,
I say to you and I said to God, that you are all talk and no walk.
I told God that when it comes to you having to step out and put it all on the line
and put up your life and soul upon your words, and not just be able to walk away
with nothing lost as you think here on this forum with me, you will cut and run.
I told God that you will not do anything but talk the talk.

So how about,
let's you and I settle this before the living God once and for all.
He will judge between you and I. Winner takes all.

I say that Jesus Christ is the living God.
You say that Jesus Christ is not the living God.

I put up everything against you putting up everything
before the living God. Winner takes all.

If you are right you take it all.
If you are wrong I take it all.

Do you accept the challenge before God?

YES, I accept the challenge.
NO, I do not accept the challenge.

If you do answer
or you do not answer with a
YES, I accept the challenge.

Then it will be counted as a NO, you do not accept the challenge.

I say your going to cut and run
that you do not have faith in what you believe
as being the truth so much as putting all on the line before God.
Prove me wrong.


Jesus answered you-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- as did his real teachers-Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17, 1Peter 1:3-- You wont believe them over the errors in your translations that contradict them.
So do you believe God has a God then?
No He did not, your making things up again.
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.

Did not Jesus teach-the Father is his God as did Paul and Peter as i showed you?
I have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.

So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?

The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.

I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.

OneWay
Banned
Banned
Posts: 464
Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:37 pm
Been thanked: 7 times

Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #787

Post by OneWay »

kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:59 pm
OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:44 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:33 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:39 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:43 pm I have already defeated you but for the sake of the record
I will debate you one more time over this issue.

Here is your opening statement:

kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:26 pm Jesus is 100% clear at John 17:3--he said the Father= one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD--all of Jesus' real followers believe him. Those teaching anything else is calling him a liar.
You have quoted from the bible as your source
and reference as to that which you say proves I am wrong.
Here is my counter argument and rebuttal to your opening statement
taken from the same book in the bible that you have taken as your
source and reference as to that which you say proves I am wrong.
And I have also included the verse from the same bible, Revelation 19:13,
to which validates and proves the John 1:1,
the Word is Jesus Christ and He is the one true living almighty God.:

Is this verse from the book of John 1:1,
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
True or false?

If you say true, then I win the debate.
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood:
and his name is called The Word of God.

If you say false then I still win the debate for
you will have defeated the validity of your source and
reference.



I win again.

You lose again.


Your post is false. In the Greek Lexicons, the true God called- Ho Theos in the second line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in 2nd line and small g god in the last line=100% fact. Theos is the only word for either God or god in Greek, to show the difference i explained above when both are in the same paragraph-2 Cor 4:4 the only other spot. Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line to fit false council teaching of God being a trinity-He never was or ever will be-LOOK. 100% fact of life--Israel never served a trinity when serving the true God.
My post is not false. And the Greek Lexicons are flawed and they are of no authority
with me or the truth. If so prove it. Your theology is false and I presented my case before
the living God. He will decide if it is true or not, not you.


And if God decides I am right and you are wrong.
You will pay for it.

Get ready to pay for it.

And here you are again making up things that I did not say.
I said nothing about a trinity.
In fact there is no trinity.

You see
You have not the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That is why you are lost and believe a doctrine with errors.

Jesus says the opposite of you-Rev 3:12
No He did not, your making things up again.
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.

Tell us all what did i insert? Did not Jesus stress 4 x in that single paragraph and say--MY GOD.
Everyone has a God.
Including God.

I have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.

So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?

The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.

I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.

kjw47
Under Probation
Posts: 1069
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:37 pm
Has thanked: 52 times
Been thanked: 88 times

Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #788

Post by kjw47 »

OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:17 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:58 pm
OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:42 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:26 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:13 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:34 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:25 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:18 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:02 pm


I know 100% its you who are in error. The whole reason there are 41,000 different religions claiming to be christian is because of confusion caused by Catholicism translating to fit false council teachings. They are a house divided, they will not stand. They fail this true mark 100%-1Cor 1:10--unity of thought(all of Gods 1 truth) no division.= 1 single religion has Jesus.
The Spirit of wisdom said to me,
" Ask Him how many times in his life did he believe
100% it was something else or someone else that was in error
and not him, that later on he found out it was him that was deceived?"

And I am not a Christian.

So tell us,
how many times in your life
when you believed you were a 100% right
about something, only to find out later on,
you were wrong?

ADD THIS TIME TO THAT VERY LONG LIST.

The teachings of Jesus prove my teachers correct. The facts of true God worship history prove my teachers correct, so what do the others have=error.
Jesus said His Father and Him were one.
Go ask your teacher, one what? Then come back and tell me what he said.

Jesus and His Father is one, what?

Your answer?____________________________________________

Everyone already knows that answer--They are one in purpose, the living to do the Fathers will. It went on to say all followers would be one with them--obviously in purpose. Jesus assures only those living now to do his Fathers will( just like he does-John 5:30) get to enter his kingdom(be saved) Matt 7:21

If your thinking was correct and they are one in being, God would be insane--He would have fathered himself, prayed to himself, And Rev 1:1 said--here me have a revelation. But we all know none of that is true-- they are one in purpose.
No matter what truth is presented to you,
you will only come up with more NONSENCE to reply.
I have already defeated you. And God has already decided
with me and not you. But having said all that and be it as it may,
I say to you and I said to God, that you are all talk and no walk.
I told God that when it comes to you having to step out and put it all on the line
and put up your life and soul upon your words, and not just be able to walk away
with nothing lost as you think here on this forum with me, you will cut and run.
I told God that you will not do anything but talk the talk.

So how about,
let's you and I settle this before the living God once and for all.
He will judge between you and I. Winner takes all.

I say that Jesus Christ is the living God.
You say that Jesus Christ is not the living God.

I put up everything against you putting up everything
before the living God. Winner takes all.

If you are right you take it all.
If you are wrong I take it all.

Do you accept the challenge before God?

YES, I accept the challenge.
NO, I do not accept the challenge.

If you do answer
or you do not answer with a
YES, I accept the challenge.

Then it will be counted as a NO, you do not accept the challenge.

I say your going to cut and run
that you do not have faith in what you believe
as being the truth so much as putting all on the line before God.
Prove me wrong.


Jesus answered you-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- as did his real teachers-Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17, 1Peter 1:3-- You wont believe them over the errors in your translations that contradict them.
So do you believe God has a God then?
No He did not, your making things up again.
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.

Did not Jesus teach-the Father is his God as did Paul and Peter as i showed you?
I have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.

So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?

The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.

I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.

You are believing error. I showed the error at John 1:1--eternal life is on the line, its best to check the facts. 41,000 trinity religions = a mass of confusion. because of errors.

kjw47
Under Probation
Posts: 1069
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:37 pm
Has thanked: 52 times
Been thanked: 88 times

Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #789

Post by kjw47 »

OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:19 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:59 pm
OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:44 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:33 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:39 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:43 pm I have already defeated you but for the sake of the record
I will debate you one more time over this issue.

Here is your opening statement:

kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:26 pm Jesus is 100% clear at John 17:3--he said the Father= one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD--all of Jesus' real followers believe him. Those teaching anything else is calling him a liar.
You have quoted from the bible as your source
and reference as to that which you say proves I am wrong.
Here is my counter argument and rebuttal to your opening statement
taken from the same book in the bible that you have taken as your
source and reference as to that which you say proves I am wrong.
And I have also included the verse from the same bible, Revelation 19:13,
to which validates and proves the John 1:1,
the Word is Jesus Christ and He is the one true living almighty God.:

Is this verse from the book of John 1:1,
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
True or false?

If you say true, then I win the debate.
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood:
and his name is called The Word of God.

If you say false then I still win the debate for
you will have defeated the validity of your source and
reference.



I win again.

You lose again.


Your post is false. In the Greek Lexicons, the true God called- Ho Theos in the second line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in 2nd line and small g god in the last line=100% fact. Theos is the only word for either God or god in Greek, to show the difference i explained above when both are in the same paragraph-2 Cor 4:4 the only other spot. Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line to fit false council teaching of God being a trinity-He never was or ever will be-LOOK. 100% fact of life--Israel never served a trinity when serving the true God.
My post is not false. And the Greek Lexicons are flawed and they are of no authority
with me or the truth. If so prove it. Your theology is false and I presented my case before
the living God. He will decide if it is true or not, not you.


And if God decides I am right and you are wrong.
You will pay for it.

Get ready to pay for it.

And here you are again making up things that I did not say.
I said nothing about a trinity.
In fact there is no trinity.

You see
You have not the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That is why you are lost and believe a doctrine with errors.

Jesus says the opposite of you-Rev 3:12
No He did not, your making things up again.
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.

Tell us all what did i insert? Did not Jesus stress 4 x in that single paragraph and say--MY GOD.
Everyone has a God.
Including God.

I have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.

So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?

The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.

I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.

God always was and always will be. He does not have a God--Explain how God can have a God when the bible teaches there is one God?
Every bible that has Gods name removed is for the purpose to mislead by satans will. Those supporting satans will use those altered translations-Why? Because with Gods name back in proves they are false religion.

OneWay
Banned
Banned
Posts: 464
Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:37 pm
Been thanked: 7 times

Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #790

Post by OneWay »

kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:43 pm
OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:17 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:58 pm
OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:42 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:26 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:13 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:34 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:25 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:18 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:22 pm The Spirit of wisdom said to me,
" Ask Him how many times in his life did he believe
100% it was something else or someone else that was in error
and not him, that later on he found out it was him that was deceived?"

And I am not a Christian.

So tell us,
how many times in your life
when you believed you were a 100% right
about something, only to find out later on,
you were wrong?

ADD THIS TIME TO THAT VERY LONG LIST.

The teachings of Jesus prove my teachers correct. The facts of true God worship history prove my teachers correct, so what do the others have=error.
Jesus said His Father and Him were one.
Go ask your teacher, one what? Then come back and tell me what he said.

Jesus and His Father is one, what?

Your answer?____________________________________________

Everyone already knows that answer--They are one in purpose, the living to do the Fathers will. It went on to say all followers would be one with them--obviously in purpose. Jesus assures only those living now to do his Fathers will( just like he does-John 5:30) get to enter his kingdom(be saved) Matt 7:21

If your thinking was correct and they are one in being, God would be insane--He would have fathered himself, prayed to himself, And Rev 1:1 said--here me have a revelation. But we all know none of that is true-- they are one in purpose.
No matter what truth is presented to you,
you will only come up with more NONSENCE to reply.
I have already defeated you. And God has already decided
with me and not you. But having said all that and be it as it may,
I say to you and I said to God, that you are all talk and no walk.
I told God that when it comes to you having to step out and put it all on the line
and put up your life and soul upon your words, and not just be able to walk away
with nothing lost as you think here on this forum with me, you will cut and run.
I told God that you will not do anything but talk the talk.

So how about,
let's you and I settle this before the living God once and for all.
He will judge between you and I. Winner takes all.

I say that Jesus Christ is the living God.
You say that Jesus Christ is not the living God.

I put up everything against you putting up everything
before the living God. Winner takes all.

If you are right you take it all.
If you are wrong I take it all.

Do you accept the challenge before God?

YES, I accept the challenge.
NO, I do not accept the challenge.

If you do answer
or you do not answer with a
YES, I accept the challenge.

Then it will be counted as a NO, you do not accept the challenge.

I say your going to cut and run
that you do not have faith in what you believe
as being the truth so much as putting all on the line before God.
Prove me wrong.


Jesus answered you-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- as did his real teachers-Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17, 1Peter 1:3-- You wont believe them over the errors in your translations that contradict them.
So do you believe God has a God then?
No He did not, your making things up again.
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.

Did not Jesus teach-the Father is his God as did Paul and Peter as i showed you?
I have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.

So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?

The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.

I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.

You are believing error. I showed the error at John 1:1--eternal life is on the line, its best to check the facts. 41,000 trinity religions = a mass of confusion. because of errors.
If you notice all these people who oppose me
can not over come anything I say. All they can do is post the same one or 2 verse from the whole bible
and point to it and say to me...see this, this means WHAT I SAY IT MEANS and I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.
Then when I defeat it they repeat the same thing over again.

They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the doctrine of devils and men.

They are gone. It will take an act of God to rescue them from
the bondage they have been enslaved within.

Post Reply