Are you a creationist?

[Wootah]

Hi all,

The thing about creation is that we do it every moment.

- I look at a lump of matter and make it into my wife every day of my marriage.

- Apparently, there is a bunch of atoms that I recognise every day how to get back to and I call it my home.

The day you are not a creationist, you likely have lost your mind.

Are you a creationist? Thoughts?

[OneWay]

[Replying to OneWay in post #102]

Yes but go deeper. Or not. Somewhere in our brain all the data we collate that something is a tree we called it a tree.

Why does Adam get given the role of naming the animals?

Where has it been established, as a matter of truth, that Adam was given the role to name anythingI?

Extra points will be awarded to anyone who can offer confirmation that Adam even existed.

Adam existed in the book of Genesis.

Where has it been established the book of Genesis is an accurate record?

In the minds and hearts of those who believe it.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to OneWay in post #102]

Yes but go deeper. Or not. Somewhere in our brain all the data we collate that something is a tree we called it a tree.

Why does Adam get given the role of naming the animals?

Where has it been established, as a matter of truth, that Adam was given the role to name anythingI?

Extra points will be awarded to anyone who can offer confirmation that Adam even existed.

Adam existed in the book of Genesis.

Where has it been established the book of Genesis is an accurate record?

That's the point. I did read a book once arguing for Bible historicity and he tried to argue that there was an Eden that was somewhere in Uratu or the Zagros and was a valley with a narrow entrance that could be easily flooded...yes,you can do this stuff of Interpreting Mythology to have a factual basis. But it is nothing but speculation, after all, and the 'Black sea apologetic' might become Axiomatic for the tripwire facefirst into mire of making a Bible event that looked mythical true by arguing how it could have been an event, but in the process,debunking the Bible by taking God and His Miracles out of the reckoning.

There are examples of this - if the Talpiot tomb really shows that Jesus was a real person, it also proves that his body didn't rise. A christian colleague explained the Walking on water as Jesus wading through the shallows which apart from not being what the Bible says (which never bothers apologists) deletes the miracle. Not to mention my old Religion -teacher at school (yes we had back in the day along with archery practice and birching) arguing for the antiseptic properties of mud which, even it it healed blindness instantly, makes a miraculous Sign no more than herbal medicine.

Which has me referring again to the wrangle wit otseng about the Assyrian siege of Jerusalem. IF I was right in favouring the Assyrian implication that Sennacherib besieged the city,called on Hezekiah to submit and render, tribute, which he did,and marched away, raiding the siege of Libnah, that the event is true, but there is no miracle. If one can accept the order of events in the Bible (and why should anyone trust the Assyrian account over the Bible ?), then the miracle stands.

[brunumb]

It does not matter if the book of Genesis is real or not real,
the fact of the matter is that the man, God created named Adam, exist in the book of Genesis.

In that case, why should anyone care?

Why should anyone care about anything?

Perhaps it would be of some value if you actually answered the question.

[OneWay]

[Replying to OneWay in post #102]

Yes but go deeper. Or not. Somewhere in our brain all the data we collate that something is a tree we called it a tree.

Why does Adam get given the role of naming the animals?

Where has it been established, as a matter of truth, that Adam was given the role to name anythingI?

Extra points will be awarded to anyone who can offer confirmation that Adam even existed.

Adam existed in the book of Genesis.

Tinkerbell existed in the book of Peter Pan.
So what?

Are you asking me for guidance?

We are asking you for good reasons why we should believe the statement you posted.

Another hint; wriggling and evasion will only make you and your case and indeed, your religion,look bad, not us.

You are not going to believe me even if I tell you the truth.
Therefore I have no good reasons for you to believe me.

They asked to give them confirmation that Adam existed,
to which I gave it to them.

Anything else would cost extra.

And if you do not believe Adam existed in the book of Genesis,
then go read it and you will see...Adam indeed existed.
You will find his name in it several times.

Whether I believe you or not is unimportant. It is rarely about convincing the other side in these debates (they have to convince themselves) but making a good case for the lurkers and browsers, who are the meat and potatoes of forums like this.

What this comes down to is whether you can make a good case for the Bible, Genesis or Adam. If you can't, then your assertions of Belief are also irrelevant. I have to accept denial all the time in such debates. The other side will deny evidence of history, science and even the Bible, ifit doesn't suit them (it is Holy Writ if it looks like it does). But it os the peanut gallery and the popcorn seats that is in my mind when i post, as well as testing and refining the arguments I have learned, and having fun as well .

Bottom line, if you make no case, you appear to have no case, and you lose, even if you think you win.

You are not going to believe me even if I tell you the truth.
Therefore I have no good reasons for you to believe me.

Until you can demonstrate that Genesis is literally true, then everything you say is just an unsupported opinion and we have no good reason to believe what you claim.

yup.

You are not going to believe me even if I tell you the truth.
Therefore I have no good reasons for you to believe me.

Until you can demonstrate that Genesis is literally true, then everything you say is just an unsupported opinion and we have no good reason to believe what you claim.

I am tempted to refer to you as a moron, but I overcame the temptation
and I will not.

It does not matter if the book of Genesis is real or not real,
the fact of the matter is that the man, God created named Adam, exist in the book of Genesis.

Now he may not exist anywhere else, but you can find him right there in the book of Genesis.

I wouldn't toss insults about if I were you; it is against ToS. And nobody here is moronic, even if they the do try to argue that Adam exists in a Mythological story exists,even if he never existed.

Please don't derail the thread. So long as no one is using Adam authoritatively the usage is OK. So I am told.

I used to think that meant if someone wrote 'because the Bible says blah then you have to accept blah' then that was reportable in this forum.

I personally never thought it meant that people would come to a debating Christianity forum and not debate Christianity.

I think we need a mod clarification.

I think we do.I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Bottom line - however we use the term 'Adam'and whatever it says about Adam in the Bible (I have a pet theory that the messianic spirit was the spirit of Adam thus 'Son of man', but I could be wrong) Is Genesis reporting what actually happened or is it just a myth?

I like insulting morons. I am wise enough to do it and they don't even know it.
And I know you have no idea what I am not trying to say, but I am saying, because I am wise enough
to insult morons and they don't even know it.

To say there are no morons on this forum,
are the words of a moron.

The world is over run with morons.
They are everywhere. You cannot escape them.

[OneWay]

It does not matter if the book of Genesis is real or not real,
the fact of the matter is that the man, God created named Adam, exist in the book of Genesis.

In that case, why should anyone care?

Why should anyone care about anything?

Perhaps it would be of some value if you actually answered the question.

Cut and past any question you say I have not answered.

[OneWay]

I have noticed you all keep saying the same
false statements over and over again.

Why do you keep do it when it never works for you?

For example
you keep saying to me answer the question.
but you can clearly look and see I answer them all.

That is so dumb.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to OneWay in post #124]


Ok, don't say you weren't warned.

It does not matter if the book of Genesis is real or not real,
the fact of the matter is that the man, God created named Adam, exist in the book of Genesis.

In that case, why should anyone care?

Why should anyone care about anything?

Perhaps it would be of some value if you actually answered the question.

Cut and past any question you say I have not answered.

It is in the quotes above.

OneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:57 am
It does not matter if the book of Genesis is real or not real,
the fact of the matter is that the man, God created named Adam, exist in the book of Genesis.
brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:37 am
In that case, why should anyone care?

To clarify, if it isn't true, it is irrelevant to the discussion; if it is true, make a case for it or, as i argued, you lose, even if you think you won. I may say I have had some battles with Otseng, A4G, even JW ...but I relish the challenge and the tough case they put up, the amount I learn and the points I have to accept. It is good debate. So far, what you have put up is not.

[OneWay]

[Replying to OneWay in post #124]


Ok, don't say you weren't warned.

It does not matter if the book of Genesis is real or not real,
the fact of the matter is that the man, God created named Adam, exist in the book of Genesis.

In that case, why should anyone care?

Why should anyone care about anything?

Perhaps it would be of some value if you actually answered the question.

Cut and past any question you say I have not answered.

It is in the quotes above.

OneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:57 am
It does not matter if the book of Genesis is real or not real,
the fact of the matter is that the man, God created named Adam, exist in the book of Genesis.
brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:37 am
In that case, why should anyone care?

To clarify, if it isn't true, it is irrelevant to the discussion; if it is true, make a case for it or, as i argued, you lose, even if you think you won. I may say I have had some battles with Otseng, A4G, even JW ...but I relish the challenge and the tough case they put up, the amount I learn and the points I have to accept. It is good debate. So far, what you have put up is not.

Be it as it may, how about you and I debate it.
I will defeat you with the greatest of ease,
it won't even be hard.

I will even let you post your opening statement.

[brunumb]

It does not matter if the book of Genesis is real or not real,
the fact of the matter is that the man, God created named Adam, exist in the book of Genesis.

In that case, why should anyone care?

Why should anyone care about anything?

Perhaps it would be of some value if you actually answered the question.

Cut and past any question you say I have not answered.

Question in red. Response in blue. The response does not answer the question.
You must excuse me if I reach the conclusion that we are being trolled.

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to OneWay in post #102]

Yes but go deeper. Or not. Somewhere in our brain all the data we collate that something is a tree we called it a tree.

Why does Adam get given the role of naming the animals?

Where has it been established, as a matter of truth, that Adam was given the role to name anythingI?

Extra points will be awarded to anyone who can offer confirmation that Adam even existed.

Adam existed in the book of Genesis.

Where has it been established the book of Genesis is an accurate record?

In the minds and hearts of those who believe it.

A belief does not establish fact.

You claim this Adam feller was given the role of naming animals.

So I ask again, how may we confirm you speak truth in this matter?

I remind you, the bible is not considered authoritative in this section of the site.