I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.
Jesus' words:
1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)
2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)
3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)
He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)
5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)
6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)
7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)
To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)
Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?
Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?
JESUS IS NOT GOD
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #801OneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:08 pmGod has already handed down His judgement between you and I.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:45 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:48 pmIf you notice all these people who oppose mekjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:19 pmEveryone has a God.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:59 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:44 pmNo He did not, your making things up again.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:33 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:45 pmMy post is not false. And the Greek Lexicons are flawed and they are of no authoritykjw47 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:39 pm
Your post is false. In the Greek Lexicons, the true God called- Ho Theos in the second line at John 1:1, plain Theos to the word in the last line to show the difference of a capitol G God in 2nd line and small g god in the last line=100% fact. Theos is the only word for either God or god in Greek, to show the difference i explained above when both are in the same paragraph-2 Cor 4:4 the only other spot. Catholicism put a capitol G God in the last line to fit false council teaching of God being a trinity-He never was or ever will be-LOOK. 100% fact of life--Israel never served a trinity when serving the true God.
with me or the truth. If so prove it. Your theology is false and I presented my case before
the living God. He will decide if it is true or not, not you.
And if God decides I am right and you are wrong.
You will pay for it.
Get ready to pay for it.
And here you are again making up things that I did not say.
I said nothing about a trinity.
In fact there is no trinity.
You see
You have not the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That is why you are lost and believe a doctrine with errors.
Jesus says the opposite of you-Rev 3:12
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.
Tell us all what did i insert? Did not Jesus stress 4 x in that single paragraph and say--MY GOD.
Including God.
I have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.
So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?
The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.
I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.
God always was and always will be. He does not have a God--Explain how God can have a God when the bible teaches there is one God?
Every bible that has Gods name removed is for the purpose to mislead by satans will. Those supporting satans will use those altered translations-Why? Because with Gods name back in proves they are false religion.
can not over come anything I say. All they can do is post the same one or 2 verse from the whole bible
and point to it and say to me...see this, this means WHAT I SAY IT MEANS and I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.
Then when I defeat it they repeat the same thing over again.
They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the doctrine of devils and men.
They are gone. It will take an act of God to rescue them from
the bondage they have been enslaved within.
Dont forget the bible says-The wicked cant understand. It takes believing Jesus as i have asked you to do but you outright refuse.
See, you are not even aware of it.
I am fully aware of it. You wont like the outcome. BELIEVE JESUS.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #802I can tell.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:24 pmFrom a book.OneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:18 pmMy oh my,myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:13 pmNo, Jesus Christ was a man. He was not God. Only a human could accomplish the task required of the man Jesus Christ.
He was not the Word. He was the Word made flesh:
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)[/b]
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)
where did you get all that wisdom?
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #803You sure are a stubborn soul.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:24 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:08 pmGod has already handed down His judgement between you and I.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:45 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:48 pmIf you notice all these people who oppose mekjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:46 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:19 pmEveryone has a God.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:59 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:44 pmNo He did not, your making things up again.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:33 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:45 pm My post is not false. And the Greek Lexicons are flawed and they are of no authority
with me or the truth. If so prove it. Your theology is false and I presented my case before
the living God. He will decide if it is true or not, not you.
And if God decides I am right and you are wrong.
You will pay for it.
Get ready to pay for it.
And here you are again making up things that I did not say.
I said nothing about a trinity.
In fact there is no trinity.
You see
You have not the revelation of Jesus Christ.
That is why you are lost and believe a doctrine with errors.
Jesus says the opposite of you-Rev 3:12
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.
Tell us all what did i insert? Did not Jesus stress 4 x in that single paragraph and say--MY GOD.
Including God.
I have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.
So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?
The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.
I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.
God always was and always will be. He does not have a God--Explain how God can have a God when the bible teaches there is one God?
Every bible that has Gods name removed is for the purpose to mislead by satans will. Those supporting satans will use those altered translations-Why? Because with Gods name back in proves they are false religion.
can not over come anything I say. All they can do is post the same one or 2 verse from the whole bible
and point to it and say to me...see this, this means WHAT I SAY IT MEANS and I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.
Then when I defeat it they repeat the same thing over again.
They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the doctrine of devils and men.
They are gone. It will take an act of God to rescue them from
the bondage they have been enslaved within.
Dont forget the bible says-The wicked cant understand. It takes believing Jesus as i have asked you to do but you outright refuse.
See, you are not even aware of it.
I am fully aware of it. You wont like the outcome. BELIEVE JESUS.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #804I think I am rejecting you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:23 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:06 pmI do not care what you believe or don't believe.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:43 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:48 pmIf you notice all these people who oppose mekjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:43 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:17 pmI have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact thatkjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:58 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:42 pmNo He did not, your making things up again.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:26 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:13 pm No matter what truth is presented to you,
you will only come up with more NONSENCE to reply.
I have already defeated you. And God has already decided
with me and not you. But having said all that and be it as it may,
I say to you and I said to God, that you are all talk and no walk.
I told God that when it comes to you having to step out and put it all on the line
and put up your life and soul upon your words, and not just be able to walk away
with nothing lost as you think here on this forum with me, you will cut and run.
I told God that you will not do anything but talk the talk.
So how about,
let's you and I settle this before the living God once and for all.
He will judge between you and I. Winner takes all.
I say that Jesus Christ is the living God.
You say that Jesus Christ is not the living God.
I put up everything against you putting up everything
before the living God. Winner takes all.
If you are right you take it all.
If you are wrong I take it all.
Do you accept the challenge before God?
YES, I accept the challenge.
NO, I do not accept the challenge.
If you do answer
or you do not answer with a
YES, I accept the challenge.
Then it will be counted as a NO, you do not accept the challenge.
I say your going to cut and run
that you do not have faith in what you believe
as being the truth so much as putting all on the line before God.
Prove me wrong.
Jesus answered you-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- as did his real teachers-Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17, 1Peter 1:3-- You wont believe them over the errors in your translations that contradict them.
So do you believe God has a God then?
You read the bible as you want to believe. You insert your own words and beliefs.
Did not Jesus teach-the Father is his God as did Paul and Peter as i showed you?
God has a God, it is His Word.
So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?
The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.
I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.
You are believing error. I showed the error at John 1:1--eternal life is on the line, its best to check the facts. 41,000 trinity religions = a mass of confusion. because of errors.
can not over come anything I say. All they can do is post the same one or 2 verse from the whole bible
and point to it and say to me...see this, this means WHAT I SAY IT MEANS and I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.
Then when I defeat it they repeat the same thing over again.
They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the doctrine of devils and men.
They are gone. It will take an act of God to rescue them from
the bondage they have been enslaved within.
Actually i believe Jesus--Matt 6:33- Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--Then one can accomplish this-John 4:22-24-- and unless one does Matt 6:33 they cannot accomplish John 4:22-24--and fail to do Jesus Fathers will-Matt 7:21
Thats sad for you, because i just shared with you 3 teachings from Jesus found in every translation on earth. So actually you are rejecting Jesus truth.
Jesus said-no one comes to the Father but through me----The Father is the destination.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #805OneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:33 pmI think I am rejecting you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:23 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:06 pmI do not care what you believe or don't believe.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:43 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:48 pmIf you notice all these people who oppose mekjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:43 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:17 pmI have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.
So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?
The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.
I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.
You are believing error. I showed the error at John 1:1--eternal life is on the line, its best to check the facts. 41,000 trinity religions = a mass of confusion. because of errors.
can not over come anything I say. All they can do is post the same one or 2 verse from the whole bible
and point to it and say to me...see this, this means WHAT I SAY IT MEANS and I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.
Then when I defeat it they repeat the same thing over again.
They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the doctrine of devils and men.
They are gone. It will take an act of God to rescue them from
the bondage they have been enslaved within.
Actually i believe Jesus--Matt 6:33- Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--Then one can accomplish this-John 4:22-24-- and unless one does Matt 6:33 they cannot accomplish John 4:22-24--and fail to do Jesus Fathers will-Matt 7:21
Thats sad for you, because i just shared with you 3 teachings from Jesus found in every translation on earth. So actually you are rejecting Jesus truth.
Jesus said-no one comes to the Father but through me----The Father is the destination.
When one posts what Jesus said and you reject the poster, you are as well are rejecting Jesus. The same with his real teachers- Those who reject them are rejecting Jesus and God it says-Luke 10:16
Jesus warned that some would do( or say) things against the real followers thinking they were standing for Jesus, Why? Because they did not know the one who sent him=Father=YHWH(Jehovah) John 15:20-21
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #806Whoever or whatever told you or put the notion in your mind that you were born of Godkjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:16 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:33 pmI think I am rejecting you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:23 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:06 pmI do not care what you believe or don't believe.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:43 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:48 pmIf you notice all these people who oppose mekjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:43 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:17 pmI have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.
So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?
The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.
I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.
You are believing error. I showed the error at John 1:1--eternal life is on the line, its best to check the facts. 41,000 trinity religions = a mass of confusion. because of errors.
can not over come anything I say. All they can do is post the same one or 2 verse from the whole bible
and point to it and say to me...see this, this means WHAT I SAY IT MEANS and I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.
Then when I defeat it they repeat the same thing over again.
They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the doctrine of devils and men.
They are gone. It will take an act of God to rescue them from
the bondage they have been enslaved within.
Actually i believe Jesus--Matt 6:33- Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--Then one can accomplish this-John 4:22-24-- and unless one does Matt 6:33 they cannot accomplish John 4:22-24--and fail to do Jesus Fathers will-Matt 7:21
Thats sad for you, because i just shared with you 3 teachings from Jesus found in every translation on earth. So actually you are rejecting Jesus truth.
Jesus said-no one comes to the Father but through me----The Father is the destination.
When one posts what Jesus said and you reject the poster, you are as well are rejecting Jesus. The same with his real teachers- Those who reject them are rejecting Jesus and God it says-Luke 10:16
Jesus warned that some would do( or say) things against the real followers thinking they were standing for Jesus, Why? Because they did not know the one who sent him=Father=YHWH(Jehovah) John 15:20-21
and a child of God lied to you. And Jesus did not send you nor do you know Him.
Quoting from a book just makes you...
someone who quoted from a book.
That is all.
Nothing more nothing less.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #807OneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:52 pmWhoever or whatever told you or put the notion in your mind that you were born of Godkjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:16 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:33 pmI think I am rejecting you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:23 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:06 pmI do not care what you believe or don't believe.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:43 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:48 pmIf you notice all these people who oppose mekjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:43 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:17 pmI have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.
So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?
The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.
I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.
You are believing error. I showed the error at John 1:1--eternal life is on the line, its best to check the facts. 41,000 trinity religions = a mass of confusion. because of errors.
can not over come anything I say. All they can do is post the same one or 2 verse from the whole bible
and point to it and say to me...see this, this means WHAT I SAY IT MEANS and I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.
Then when I defeat it they repeat the same thing over again.
They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the doctrine of devils and men.
They are gone. It will take an act of God to rescue them from
the bondage they have been enslaved within.
Actually i believe Jesus--Matt 6:33- Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--Then one can accomplish this-John 4:22-24-- and unless one does Matt 6:33 they cannot accomplish John 4:22-24--and fail to do Jesus Fathers will-Matt 7:21
Thats sad for you, because i just shared with you 3 teachings from Jesus found in every translation on earth. So actually you are rejecting Jesus truth.
Jesus said-no one comes to the Father but through me----The Father is the destination.
When one posts what Jesus said and you reject the poster, you are as well are rejecting Jesus. The same with his real teachers- Those who reject them are rejecting Jesus and God it says-Luke 10:16
Jesus warned that some would do( or say) things against the real followers thinking they were standing for Jesus, Why? Because they did not know the one who sent him=Father=YHWH(Jehovah) John 15:20-21
and a child of God lied to you. And Jesus did not send you nor do you know Him.
Quoting from a book just makes you...
someone who quoted from a book.
That is all.
Nothing more nothing less.
I shared Jesus teachings--you rejected them because its you in darkness and do not know what he taught. Any building called-church teach little of what Jesus actually taught, i went to different ones looking for who taught what Jesus teaches, no church ever did, just very little of what he taught. Those teachers are paid to teach that religions dogma. Jw teachers teach us EVERY utterance from God as Jesus taught man must live by every utterance.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #808Show me in the bible where Jesus said he was an angel.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:06 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:52 pmWhoever or whatever told you or put the notion in your mind that you were born of Godkjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:16 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:33 pmI think I am rejecting you.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:23 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:06 pmI do not care what you believe or don't believe.kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:43 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:48 pmIf you notice all these people who oppose mekjw47 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:43 pmOneWay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:17 pm I have already proved by the scriptures and undeniable fact that
God has a God, it is His Word.
So the question is how come you cannot accept the fact and the scriptures
that the living God has to OBEY and LIVE by His WORD at all times?
The WORD IS GOD as stated in the SCRIPTURES. John 1,1.
I am not going to keep hashing this out with you over and over and over.
You are believing error. I showed the error at John 1:1--eternal life is on the line, its best to check the facts. 41,000 trinity religions = a mass of confusion. because of errors.
can not over come anything I say. All they can do is post the same one or 2 verse from the whole bible
and point to it and say to me...see this, this means WHAT I SAY IT MEANS and I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.
Then when I defeat it they repeat the same thing over again.
They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the doctrine of devils and men.
They are gone. It will take an act of God to rescue them from
the bondage they have been enslaved within.
Actually i believe Jesus--Matt 6:33- Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--Then one can accomplish this-John 4:22-24-- and unless one does Matt 6:33 they cannot accomplish John 4:22-24--and fail to do Jesus Fathers will-Matt 7:21
Thats sad for you, because i just shared with you 3 teachings from Jesus found in every translation on earth. So actually you are rejecting Jesus truth.
Jesus said-no one comes to the Father but through me----The Father is the destination.
When one posts what Jesus said and you reject the poster, you are as well are rejecting Jesus. The same with his real teachers- Those who reject them are rejecting Jesus and God it says-Luke 10:16
Jesus warned that some would do( or say) things against the real followers thinking they were standing for Jesus, Why? Because they did not know the one who sent him=Father=YHWH(Jehovah) John 15:20-21
and a child of God lied to you. And Jesus did not send you nor do you know Him.
Quoting from a book just makes you...
someone who quoted from a book.
That is all.
Nothing more nothing less.
I shared Jesus teachings--you rejected them because its you in darkness and do not know what he taught. Any building called-church teach little of what Jesus actually taught, i went to different ones looking for who taught what Jesus teaches, no church ever did, just very little of what he taught. Those teachers are paid to teach that religions dogma. Jw teachers teach us EVERY utterance from God as Jesus taught man must live by every utterance.
In fact show me anywhere in all the bible where anyone stated that Jesus
was and is an angel.
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #810But the scriptures as inspired by God clearly describe Jesus Christ as a mortal man:
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Jesus was not the Word. He was the Word made flesh:
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...
In fact, the Word was made flesh as Jesus Christ specifically for the purpose of dying:
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Your claim contradicts the God inspired scriptures!!
Likewise, it is totally illogical that Jesus could be an immortal God -- as He had to die a human death under the original covenant between God and mankind to fulfill His mission on the earth of creating a better covenant!