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JESUS IS NOT GOD

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I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

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OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:00 am It really does not matter
one way or the other with these Christians
whether they believe Jesus is God or do not
none of them obey God or Jesus or the Holy Ghost.
Therefore they are all in disobedience out of the will of God
with the wrath of God upon them...
just like all those who don't even believe in God
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kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:42 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:01 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:58 pm
OneWay wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:05 pm
kjw47 wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:33 pm
OneWay wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:07 pm
kjw47 wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:50 pm
OneWay wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:09 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:06 pm
OneWay wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:52 pm Whoever or whatever told you or put the notion in your mind that you were born of God
and a child of God lied to you. And Jesus did not send you nor do you know Him.

Quoting from a book just makes you...
someone who quoted from a book.
That is all.

Nothing more nothing less.

I shared Jesus teachings--you rejected them because its you in darkness and do not know what he taught. Any building called-church teach little of what Jesus actually taught, i went to different ones looking for who taught what Jesus teaches, no church ever did, just very little of what he taught. Those teachers are paid to teach that religions dogma. Jw teachers teach us EVERY utterance from God as Jesus taught man must live by every utterance.
Show me in the bible where Jesus said he was an angel.
In fact show me anywhere in all the bible where anyone stated that Jesus
was and is an angel.

Firstborn of all creation( Coll 1:15)--fact= all creation occurred at the beginning.
The one beside God during the rest of creation = Gods master worker=Jesus-He tells all he was created at Prov 8.
1Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return he comes with the voice of the archangel= its his voice.
Psalm 45:7--The Israelites knew 100% Jesus has a God-partners= Angels.
Hebrews 1:4-- He has become better than the angels because he inherited a name above theirs)-otherwise he was equal to the angels that is clearly showing.
I think it is wonderful, that you believe Jesus is an angel.

Yes the true God=Father=YHWH(Jehovah) sent his best=Michael.
When he was here as Jesus was he a man or an angel?

A. Man
B. Angel

Which is the truth?

There is something wrong with your thinking. All knows he was born mortal on earth.
Angels are immortal. I need a clown in my circus, do you want to join?

lol

lol

lol

Now that is funny.

Angels are not immortal. Satan and his angels will be destroyed in the lake of fire. Jesus was killed while a mortal on earth, he went into the grave( Hades)for 3 days.
Now you are saying that angels were never immortal.

lol

lol

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kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:44 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:08 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:01 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:22 am
OneWay wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pm Do you worship Jesus? Yes or no?
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:42 pm No, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.
John
Chapter 5

That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him.

Here you admitting that you do not honor the Son as you honor the Father.
You worship the Father but not the Son.

You are in disobedience to God.[



It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.
It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No


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We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.

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All you deceived souls who have been indoctrinated
and brainwashed in the doctrine of the devils and men
and believe that Jesus was not God and He was and is
the Archangel Michael...

I now make you free by giving you absolute, undeniable,
infallible, proof from the BIBLE that you cannot overcome with anything
Where it is stated that Jesus is the Lord God and not the Archangel Michael.

The Book of Revelation
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:


Here you can read in the book of Deuteronomy
the Lord God is the Lord of lords.
Here you can read in the book of Revelation,
the very same Lord God who's name Jesus the name
above all names is the one an only LORD OF LORDS
They are one in the same.



The next time you go to the kingdom hall you can
help make them free from their false doctrine and theology
by showing them this truth.

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OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:59 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:02 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:42 pm That is exactly what they said about Jesus.
In fact that is why they killed Him.
How do you know this? Where did you get this information?
It is a secret. If I told you then it would not be a secret.
Then everything you say is an unsubstantiated claim.

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2timothy316 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:25 am
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:59 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:02 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:42 pm That is exactly what they said about Jesus.
In fact that is why they killed Him.
How do you know this? Where did you get this information?
It is a secret. If I told you then it would not be a secret.
Then everything you say is an unsubstantiated claim.
You really should stop making unsubstantiated claims about me.
God will punish you for it.

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OneWay wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:58 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:25 am
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:59 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:02 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:42 pm That is exactly what they said about Jesus.
In fact that is why they killed Him.
How do you know this? Where did you get this information?
It is a secret. If I told you then it would not be a secret.
Then everything you say is an unsubstantiated claim.
You really should stop making unsubstantiated claims about me.
God will punish you for it.
I don't believe you.

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2timothy316 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:00 pm
OneWay wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:58 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:25 am
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:59 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:02 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:42 pm That is exactly what they said about Jesus.
In fact that is why they killed Him.
How do you know this? Where did you get this information?
It is a secret. If I told you then it would not be a secret.
Then everything you say is an unsubstantiated claim.
You really should stop making unsubstantiated claims about me.
God will punish you for it.
I don't believe you.
I think that is wonderful.

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OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:30 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 1:46 pm
OneWay wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:14 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 3:54 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:12 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:11 pm
OneWay wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:57 pm What I think is ironic about you
is that you agree with me that the name of Jesus is above all names
but at the same time you deny His name is above all names.

Now that is poetic justice.

Oh wait a minute
you said
It was God who made Jesus' name above other names, but it never would include Gods name in that.

So you believe that the name of Jesus is above other names
but not all names.

Philippians 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Notice that it is written

EVERY NAME
Every name on the earth and in heaven with the exception of the One who gave Jesus the name. That is using our power of reason. How could God give Jesus a name higher that His own when He is the one doing the giving? It is the same principle as at I Corinthians 15:24-28, part of which I quote here:

"Next, the end, when he [Christ] hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father....For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet....For God 'subjected all things under his feet.' But when he says that 'all things have been subjected,' it is evident that it does not include the One who subjected all things to him..."

So, the Scripture says that ALL things were subjected to Christ. Did that mean that God was also subjected to Christ? No, it goes on to explain that God is the exception to that fact. Our reasonable mind will help us understand that Philippians 2:9 does not apply to God, the Father, either. All things, meaning the Father, are not subjected to Christ, and neither is any name higher than the Father's name.
God is the Christ. He is my Lord and Savior. How come God is not your Lord and Savior?
God is Jehovah....an entirely separate Being than the Christ. Would God "hand over the Kingdom" to himself? Obviously Christ is handing back the Kingdom to another Person---his Father and God. Read the Scripture again please.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Which one of these is Jehovah?
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God".....Jehovah. The Word was with Jehovah. This God is the only "god" with an article in front of "god," meaning that he is the only true god.

The second "god" does not have the article. This god could be one of many. There are many gods, so we have to know more about Jesus to know that he is God's only begotten Son and the Redeemer and Savior of all of us who accept what he did. John meant to say: "In the beginning was the Word [Christ], and the Word was with Jehovah the Almighty, and the Word was a powerful important individual." The original Greek bears this out.

And, really, how can the Word be WITH God and be God himself?
Did you make this up or did someone tell you it?
I didn't make anything up. I'm posting what is known about "gods" and what the ancient Greeks understood about the term. I have done research on the subject and have formed conclusions based on my intense research. I also use the power of reason to figure out that the Word could not be God and also be WITH God. Don't you use your powers of reason?

"Come now and let us reason together..." (Isaiah 1:18, KJV)

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OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:27 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:42 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:01 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:58 pm
OneWay wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:05 pm
kjw47 wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:33 pm
OneWay wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:07 pm
kjw47 wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:50 pm
OneWay wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:09 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:06 pm


I shared Jesus teachings--you rejected them because its you in darkness and do not know what he taught. Any building called-church teach little of what Jesus actually taught, i went to different ones looking for who taught what Jesus teaches, no church ever did, just very little of what he taught. Those teachers are paid to teach that religions dogma. Jw teachers teach us EVERY utterance from God as Jesus taught man must live by every utterance.
Show me in the bible where Jesus said he was an angel.
In fact show me anywhere in all the bible where anyone stated that Jesus
was and is an angel.

Firstborn of all creation( Coll 1:15)--fact= all creation occurred at the beginning.
The one beside God during the rest of creation = Gods master worker=Jesus-He tells all he was created at Prov 8.
1Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return he comes with the voice of the archangel= its his voice.
Psalm 45:7--The Israelites knew 100% Jesus has a God-partners= Angels.
Hebrews 1:4-- He has become better than the angels because he inherited a name above theirs)-otherwise he was equal to the angels that is clearly showing.
I think it is wonderful, that you believe Jesus is an angel.

Yes the true God=Father=YHWH(Jehovah) sent his best=Michael.
When he was here as Jesus was he a man or an angel?

A. Man
B. Angel

Which is the truth?

There is something wrong with your thinking. All knows he was born mortal on earth.
Angels are immortal. I need a clown in my circus, do you want to join?

lol

lol

lol

Now that is funny.

Angels are not immortal. Satan and his angels will be destroyed in the lake of fire. Jesus was killed while a mortal on earth, he went into the grave( Hades)for 3 days.
Now you are saying that angels were never immortal.

lol

lol

lol
That is correct. If you had read some of the previous posts you would have seen the explanation of why we must say that angels are not immortal. The Scripture says that only Christ is immortal ( besides his Father, Jehovah). Read I Timothy 6:16. It's quite clear. If Jesus alone is immortal, then the angels are not.

All through the scriptures we find that the evil angels who fell with Satan will be destroyed. They certainly are not immortal if they are to be destroyed. Do some more research. (And just maybe the person who speaks to you is not God. He contradicts what the Bible says, and it's supposed to be His Word.)

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