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JESUS IS NOT GOD

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I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

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kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:13 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:44 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:08 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:01 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:22 am
OneWay wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pm Do you worship Jesus? Yes or no?
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:42 pm No, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.
John
Chapter 5

That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him.

Here you admitting that you do not honor the Son as you honor the Father.
You worship the Father but not the Son.

You are in disobedience to God.[



It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.
It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No


lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.



The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.
Prove it.

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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

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OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:23 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:26 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:17 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:13 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:55 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:28 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:07 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:39 pm
OneWay wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:04 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:13 pm

The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.
I love watching you flop around like a fish out of water.

You contradicted your own self with your own words.

So which one now is God, the King of Kings the Lord of Lords?
The God of the old testament or the God of the new testament?

lol

lol

lol

God gave Jesus those titles. But Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself- sometime after the 1000 year reign. 1Cor 15:24-28-- God of the OT gave his son all authority on earth and in heaven. But that ends at 1Cor 15:24-28-
The verses you quoted do not prove this you have stated. If you think different
then lay out how these verses prove any of this you have stated.

Quoting random verses from the bible is not proof of anything,
except you can quote random verses from the bible.

Now you know if you try to attempt this I will easily destroy
your effort with the truth as I have done over and over and over
without fail. All you are doing is flip flopping from one side to the other
to which makes you look as I am presenting you.
A false doctrine.

only in your imagination.
I have noticed you never prove anything. Not even with the bible.
You are another one who is not here to debate. You are here for
the JW's to get people to get into your false doctrine.

Only one in darkness calls it false doctrine. I have studied religions, true God worship history and the teachings of Jesus carefully -- the latter 2 prove 100% the JW,s are correct. 0 doubt in all creation. There isnt any thing else left to prove who is who. So If Jesus teachings back the JW,s , those teachings do not back the rest. I attended different trinity religions in my day--100% positive, those teachersare paid toteach a certain brand of dogma and teach little of what Jesus actually teaches. That explains why you dont know what he taught and thus remain in the darkness.
So how many times have you cried to the moderator on me?

Why would i cry to the moderator on you? I am trying to help you. Your words dont bother me, i know what is truth.
Prove it.

Prove what? truth? Ok here is a truth from Jesus for you---Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST-the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality-Matt 6)

So how many days in your life has your heart instructed your mind to accomplish that?

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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

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OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:13 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:44 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:08 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:01 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:22 am
OneWay wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pm Do you worship Jesus? Yes or no?
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:42 pm No, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.
John
Chapter 5

That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him.

Here you admitting that you do not honor the Son as you honor the Father.
You worship the Father but not the Son.

You are in disobedience to God.[



It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.
It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No


lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.



The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.
Prove it.



Prove what? Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, he offered Jesus every kingdom on earth to do a sin. He wouldn't have bothered if their wasnt a chance for Jesus to fail. And all know God cant be tempted, but he tempted Jesus at his weakest point-40 days fasting.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:48 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:23 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:26 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:17 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:13 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:55 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:28 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:07 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:39 pm
OneWay wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:04 pm I love watching you flop around like a fish out of water.

You contradicted your own self with your own words.

So which one now is God, the King of Kings the Lord of Lords?
The God of the old testament or the God of the new testament?

lol

lol

lol

God gave Jesus those titles. But Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself- sometime after the 1000 year reign. 1Cor 15:24-28-- God of the OT gave his son all authority on earth and in heaven. But that ends at 1Cor 15:24-28-
The verses you quoted do not prove this you have stated. If you think different
then lay out how these verses prove any of this you have stated.

Quoting random verses from the bible is not proof of anything,
except you can quote random verses from the bible.

Now you know if you try to attempt this I will easily destroy
your effort with the truth as I have done over and over and over
without fail. All you are doing is flip flopping from one side to the other
to which makes you look as I am presenting you.
A false doctrine.

only in your imagination.
I have noticed you never prove anything. Not even with the bible.
You are another one who is not here to debate. You are here for
the JW's to get people to get into your false doctrine.

Only one in darkness calls it false doctrine. I have studied religions, true God worship history and the teachings of Jesus carefully -- the latter 2 prove 100% the JW,s are correct. 0 doubt in all creation. There isnt any thing else left to prove who is who. So If Jesus teachings back the JW,s , those teachings do not back the rest. I attended different trinity religions in my day--100% positive, those teachersare paid toteach a certain brand of dogma and teach little of what Jesus actually teaches. That explains why you dont know what he taught and thus remain in the darkness.
So how many times have you cried to the moderator on me?

Why would i cry to the moderator on you? I am trying to help you. Your words dont bother me, i know what is truth.
Prove it.

Prove what? truth? Ok here is a truth from Jesus for you---Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST-the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality-Matt 6)

So how many days in your life has your heart instructed your mind to accomplish that?
Prove that whatever verse you pull out of the book called the bible
applies to and proves that whatever you be claiming it applies to and proves.

You have yet to be able to do it.
Why is it?

Is it because it does not prove anything?

lol

lol

lol

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:51 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:13 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:44 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:08 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:01 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:22 am
OneWay wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pm Do you worship Jesus? Yes or no?
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:42 pm No, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.
John
Chapter 5

That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him.

Here you admitting that you do not honor the Son as you honor the Father.
You worship the Father but not the Son.

You are in disobedience to God.[



It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.
It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No


lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.



The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.
Prove it.



Prove what? Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, he offered Jesus every kingdom on earth to do a sin. He wouldn't have bothered if their wasnt a chance for Jesus to fail. And all know God cant be tempted, but he tempted Jesus at his weakest point-40 days fasting.
What are you trying to prove by stating this on this thread?
Where you there?
How do you know this even took place exactly as it was told?

This does not prove Jesus is not God.
Nor does it prove Jesus is an angel.

I want to see you prove Jesus is not God and He is an angel.

SHOW ME.

PROVE IT

GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT
Last edited by OneWay on Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Post by kjw47 »

OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:53 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:51 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:13 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:44 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:08 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:01 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:22 am
OneWay wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:30 pm Do you worship Jesus? Yes or no?
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:42 pm No, only God gets worship--In answer to satan in the wilderness Jesus told him. It is to Jehovah alone one must render sacred service. I bow in obesance to Jesus as Gods appointed king.
John
Chapter 5

That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him.

Here you admitting that you do not honor the Son as you honor the Father.
You worship the Father but not the Son.

You are in disobedience to God.[



It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.
It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No


lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.



The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.
Prove it.



Prove what? Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, he offered Jesus every kingdom on earth to do a sin. He wouldn't have bothered if their wasnt a chance for Jesus to fail. And all know God cant be tempted, but he tempted Jesus at his weakest point-40 days fasting.
What are you trying to prove by stating this on this thread?
Where you there?
How do you know this even took place exactly as it was told?



You are the one who keeps stating you prove me wrong, but in reality haven't and cannot. Because i know the bible. My teachers listened to Jesus and teach us-every utterance from God-it never stops. Because Jesus is the head of our congregation.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:56 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:53 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:51 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:13 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:44 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:08 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:01 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:22 am

John
Chapter 5

That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth
not the Father which hath sent him.

Here you admitting that you do not honor the Son as you honor the Father.
You worship the Father but not the Son.

You are in disobedience to God.[



It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.
It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.

Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No


lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.



The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.
Prove it.



Prove what? Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, he offered Jesus every kingdom on earth to do a sin. He wouldn't have bothered if their wasnt a chance for Jesus to fail. And all know God cant be tempted, but he tempted Jesus at his weakest point-40 days fasting.
What are you trying to prove by stating this on this thread?
Where you there?
How do you know this even took place exactly as it was told?



You are the one who keeps stating you prove me wrong, but in reality haven't and cannot. Because i know the bible. My teachers listened to Jesus and teach us-every utterance from God-it never stops. Because Jesus is the head of our congregation.
This does not prove Jesus is not God.
Nor does it prove Jesus is an angel.

I want to see you prove Jesus is not God and He is an angel.

SHOW ME.

PROVE IT

GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT

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OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:57 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:56 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:53 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:51 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:13 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:44 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:08 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:01 pm


It doesnt say worship, it says honor. Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him, but more than that, we learn every teaching and obey him.
It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.
Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No


lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.
The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.
Prove it.

Prove what? Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, he offered Jesus every kingdom on earth to do a sin. He wouldn't have bothered if their wasnt a chance for Jesus to fail. And all know God cant be tempted, but he tempted Jesus at his weakest point-40 days fasting.
What are you trying to prove by stating this on this thread?
Where you there?
How do you know this even took place exactly as it was told?

You are the one who keeps stating you prove me wrong, but in reality haven't and cannot. Because i know the bible. My teachers listened to Jesus and teach us-every utterance from God-it never stops. Because Jesus is the head of our congregation.
This does not prove Jesus is not God.
Nor does it prove Jesus is an angel.

I want to see you prove Jesus is not God and He is an angel.

SHOW ME.

PROVE IT

GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT

Psalm 45:7--Jesus has a God--partners=angels---John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17-1Peyter 1:3--Jesus and his real teachers teach Jesus has a God his Father, just like we do. Hebrews 1:4--without inheriting a name above the angels he would be equal to them.

You wont believe truth because of the error found at John 1:1 in your bibles.

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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:01 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:57 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:56 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:53 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:51 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:13 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:44 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:08 pm It is stated that you are to honor Jesus even as you honor the Father.
That means all this time you have been dishonoring the Father and the Son.

The truth is you do not know either one of them.
You don't even know your bible.
And you certainly do not know how to do anything in Spirit and truth,
to which is required to honor both the Father and Son in the worship of the Holy Ghost.

Curi te deft.
Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No


lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.
The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.
Prove it.

Prove what? Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, he offered Jesus every kingdom on earth to do a sin. He wouldn't have bothered if their wasnt a chance for Jesus to fail. And all know God cant be tempted, but he tempted Jesus at his weakest point-40 days fasting.
What are you trying to prove by stating this on this thread?
Where you there?
How do you know this even took place exactly as it was told?

You are the one who keeps stating you prove me wrong, but in reality haven't and cannot. Because i know the bible. My teachers listened to Jesus and teach us-every utterance from God-it never stops. Because Jesus is the head of our congregation.
This does not prove Jesus is not God.
Nor does it prove Jesus is an angel.

I want to see you prove Jesus is not God and He is an angel.

SHOW ME.

PROVE IT

GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT

Psalm 45:7--Jesus has a God--partners=angels---John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17-1Peyter 1:3--Jesus and his real teachers teach Jesus has a God his Father, just like we do. Hebrews 1:4--without inheriting a name above the angels he would be equal to them.

You wont believe truth because of the error found at John 1:1 in your bibles.
Please lay out for us from any of these verses how anything within any of them
proves that Jesus is not God and He is an angel.

Go for it

show us

give it your best shot.

You can take them one verse at a time if you like.

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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

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Post by kjw47 »

OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:03 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:01 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:57 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:56 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:53 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:51 pm
OneWay wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:13 pm
OneWay wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:44 pm
Only in your twisted reasonings. Proof of ones love is by-obeying the bible teaches. Do you obey? Jesus teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study it never stops. 5% lip service, 95% action.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Is this the Lord God( Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible,
which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:)the LORD OF LORDS?

A. Yes

B. No


lol

lol

lol

We sure are finding a lot of errors in your theology.
The error is in your reasoning. Jesus didnt become king of kings and Lord of Lords until he accomplished his mission on earth. He could have failed. Jehovah is spoken of in the OT as savior and Lord of Lords. Jesus didnt become savior either until accomplishing his faithfulness to the death on earth.
Prove it.

Prove what? Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, he offered Jesus every kingdom on earth to do a sin. He wouldn't have bothered if their wasnt a chance for Jesus to fail. And all know God cant be tempted, but he tempted Jesus at his weakest point-40 days fasting.
What are you trying to prove by stating this on this thread?
Where you there?
How do you know this even took place exactly as it was told?

You are the one who keeps stating you prove me wrong, but in reality haven't and cannot. Because i know the bible. My teachers listened to Jesus and teach us-every utterance from God-it never stops. Because Jesus is the head of our congregation.
This does not prove Jesus is not God.
Nor does it prove Jesus is an angel.

I want to see you prove Jesus is not God and He is an angel.

SHOW ME.

PROVE IT

GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT

Psalm 45:7--Jesus has a God--partners=angels---John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17-1Peyter 1:3--Jesus and his real teachers teach Jesus has a God his Father, just like we do. Hebrews 1:4--without inheriting a name above the angels he would be equal to them.

You wont believe truth because of the error found at John 1:1 in your bibles.
Please lay out for us from any of these verses how anything within any of them
proves that Jesus is not God and He is an angel.

Go for it

show us

give it your best shot.

You can take them one verse at a time if you like.

You can read for yourself the scriptures i showed you. If you want to go through life believing God has a God, i feel sorry for you.

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