Romans 3:23
For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
Romans 5:12
When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
Inerrant scripture words say all men (and women) sinned
Look up the Greek, all and everyone means all and everyone
So every HUMAN sinned per the inerrant scriptures
So, here’s the options:
A) scripture is wrong, everyone didn’t sin and is not born a filthy little sinner
B) Jesus was FULLY MAN, which would have to include sin because the Bible says so, or he wouldn’t be a spotless lamb; He made a conscious decision not to sin, and he absolutely could help it (unlike Paul’s claims in Romans 7)
C) God put on a disguise; He acted like he was fully human but he wasn’t ( in which case living a sinless life is easy for God because he spoke the universe into existence)
Philippians 2:7
….but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
He only took on the likeness of man not his full sin nature, in which case he didn’t play by the rules for us
No Christian has ever honestly answered this question
Let’s examine the premise we have been programmed to believe and critically examine the text
It has to be all one or the other for the story they tell us to be true
The truth is uncomfortable sometimes
So, which option is least damaging to the narrative?
was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?
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Re: was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?
Post #81Present any facts that prove this you have stated to me as the truth.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:37 pmThe Fact is that logic works that way and if you can't even do the basics, but have to fall back on denial and impudence shows you don't even have the nuts and bolts of reasoning ,let alone Wisdom.OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:26 pmSeeing how you are stating this as a fact,TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:24 pm [Replying to OneWay in post #75]
No, you failed, and I showed it. Now you are being crafty and denialist, but that only makes you and the Faithclaims you are peddling look bad. And it ain't the first time I've found myself telling God - faithers that.
please prove it is a fact and not another one of you unproven opinions.
Go for it
Give it your best shot.
Re: was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?
Post #82There is a glass filled with water.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:37 pm........OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:13 pmI have already did it.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:11 pmSurprise me.OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:08 pmHow would you like for me to do it?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:06 pm [Replying to OneWay in post #68
Then do so.I am not cagey
I am however the wisest of all flesh an blood
upon the face of the whole earth at this present point in time.
Can I prove it
Yes I can.
See I told you I could prove it.
In "The Living God" (Random Ramblings),
I see you're utilizing your escape clause.OneWay wrote:If you have any questions, I might answer them
and I might not answer them.
Some see it as half full.
Some see it as half empty.
I see it with water in it.
You see it as an escape clause.
I see it just as I stated.
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Re: was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?
Post #83[Replying to OneWay in post #82
You're not succeeding in proving to me that you're wise.
If the glass is filled with water, I doubt that anyone will see it as half-full or half-empty.There is a glass filled with water.
Some see it as half full.
Some see it as half empty.
You're not succeeding in proving to me that you're wise.
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Re: was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?
Post #84Your denial, evasion, inability to make your case even on the level of basic logic is all the evidence needed to prove the facts and the truth of the matter. You fail to be even reasonable or logical, never mind being 'wise'.OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:38 pmPresent any facts that prove this you have stated to me as the truth.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:37 pmThe Fact is that logic works that way and if you can't even do the basics, but have to fall back on denial and impudence shows you don't even have the nuts and bolts of reasoning ,let alone Wisdom.OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:26 pmSeeing how you are stating this as a fact,TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:24 pm [Replying to OneWay in post #75]
No, you failed, and I showed it. Now you are being crafty and denialist, but that only makes you and the Faithclaims you are peddling look bad. And it ain't the first time I've found myself telling God - faithers that.
please prove it is a fact and not another one of you unproven opinions.
Go for it
Give it your best shot.
'Cue 'Godfaith is being 'wise'.
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Re: was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?
Post #85To know wisdom you first have to be wise.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:47 pm [Replying to OneWay in post #82
If the glass is filled with water, I doubt that anyone will see it as half-full or half-empty.There is a glass filled with water.
Some see it as half full.
Some see it as half empty.
You're not succeeding in proving to me that you're wise.
I do not believe you are wise.
And I can prove it.
Re: was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?
Post #86None of this you have stated proves anything you have previously stated.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:47 pmYour denial, evasion,inability to make your case even on thelevelof basic logicisall the evidence needed to prove the facts and the truth of the matter. Youfailto beeven reasonable orlogical, nevermind being 'wise'.OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:38 pmPresent any facts that prove this you have stated to me as the truth.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:37 pmThe Fact is that logic works that way and if you can't even do the basics, but have to fall back on denial and impudence shows you don't even have the nuts and bolts of reasoning ,let alone Wisdom.OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:26 pmSeeing how you are stating this as a fact,TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:24 pm [Replying to OneWay in post #75]
No, you failed, and I showed it. Now you are being crafty and denialist, but that only makes you and the Faithclaims you are peddling look bad. And it ain't the first time I've found myself telling God - faithers that.
please prove it is a fact and not another one of you unproven opinions.
Go for it
Give it your best shot.
'Cue 'Godfaith is being 'wise'.
Try again.
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Re: was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?
Post #87Never mind proving anything about me. How about proving the claims you've made in all those Random Ramblings?OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:51 pmTo know wisdom you first have to be wise.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:47 pm [Replying to OneWay in post #82
If the glass is filled with water, I doubt that anyone will see it as half-full or half-empty.There is a glass filled with water.
Some see it as half full.
Some see it as half empty.
You're not succeeding in proving to me that you're wise.
I do not believe you are wise.
And I can prove it.
Re: was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?
Post #88Well. The only way that would sufficientAthetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:03 pmNever mind proving anything about me. How about proving the claims you've made in all those Random Ramblings?OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:51 pmTo know wisdom you first have to be wise.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:47 pm [Replying to OneWay in post #82
If the glass is filled with water, I doubt that anyone will see it as half-full or half-empty.There is a glass filled with water.
Some see it as half full.
Some see it as half empty.
You're not succeeding in proving to me that you're wise.
I do not believe you are wise.
And I can prove it.
enough for you as proof, is if any of them can be proven to be false.
Have you noticed as of yet none of them have been proven to be false.
I will wait till any of them are contested, then I will do it
as they are contested.
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Re: was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?
Post #90OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:53 pmNone of this you have stated proves anything you have previously stated.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:47 pmYour denial, evasion,inability to make your case even on thelevelof basic logicisall the evidence needed to prove the facts and the truth of the matter. Youfailto beeven reasonable orlogical, nevermind being 'wise'.OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:38 pmPresent any facts that prove this you have stated to me as the truth.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:37 pmThe Fact is that logic works that way and if you can't even do the basics, but have to fall back on denial and impudence shows you don't even have the nuts and bolts of reasoning ,let alone Wisdom.OneWay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:26 pmSeeing how you are stating this as a fact,TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:24 pm [Replying to OneWay in post #75]
No, you failed, and I showed it. Now you are being crafty and denialist, but that only makes you and the Faithclaims you are peddling look bad. And it ain't the first time I've found myself telling God - faithers that.
please prove it is a fact and not another one of you unproven opinions.
Go for it
Give it your best shot.
'Cue 'Godfaith is being 'wise'.
Try again.
I don't need to try again,I have done it. Your denial shows your defeat. I know that you think (standard theist -think method) that if you deny everything, you win. Because to the theist apologists it is all about Faith, their faith and keeping it, no matter what anyone posts. But it isn't about you or me, but about the case, and the lurkers and browsers. Even the believers must be looking with dismay "Is that what I sound like to atheists?"
So by all means deny and dismiss and think that have won, but you are losing, all the time you do it, and really rational secularism is winning, because we do logical reasoning correctly, never mind claiming wisdom.