In a recent topic ---- > here (viewtopic.php?t=38559&start=60), I posed the following question:
"when one reads this Verse, was the punishment commanded by the consensus of humans, or, god himself?"
Placing this into context, the interlocutor argues that God's moral don't change, but the assigned punishment does --- for whatever reason (undefined).... The above question has yet to be answered or addressed by my debate opponent. So I thought I would offer it here.
For debate:
1) Let's suppose God's morals do not change. Okay, great... Then why in the heck does god command that a priest's daughter is to be burned to death, if she loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father, with NO caveats?
2) If there exists caveats, why are they not mentioned?
3) Was this command ultimately issued/inspired by God, or humans? And how do you know?
4) Exactly when and WHY does this command no longer apply? Or is it still applied by God?
5) How can you distinguish if any passages, at all, are inspired by any god?
Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
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Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #1In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Re: Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #181Have you tried interviewing them to see if they know it is wrong? Ted Bundy knew what he did was wrong but just didn't care enough to abstain from it. He talks at great lengths how it was wrong. He tried blaming it on porn. BTW, Bundy raped women.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:50 pmIf I wanna know who has no moral qualms with the raping, I ask a rapist.
Joseph Kallinger in the book the Shoe Maker, he goes on a lot about how it was wrong to kill the kids, but he forced himself to do it because he thought some floating dead head he saw was God telling him to do it.
In fact, even young children who are psychopaths have a sense they are doing wrong, which is why those that do so torture animals in secret.
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Re: Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #182You are in no position to read the minds of others. You are viewing everything through the lens of your own personal biases. The whole concept of objectivity is lost on you.AquinasForGod wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:44 pm I disagree. They would not know rape is right ever. They might ignore that it is wrong and justify it, but they will know they are justifying it.
When people justify evil, they are aware they are doing so. Oh, this isn't that bad. I really have no choice. It is better this than something else, etc.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
Re: Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #183You cannot prove your accusations.brunumb wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:16 amYou are in no position to read the minds of others. You are viewing everything through the lens of your own personal biases. The whole concept of objectivity is lost on you.AquinasForGod wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:44 pm I disagree. They would not know rape is right ever. They might ignore that it is wrong and justify it, but they will know they are justifying it.
When people justify evil, they are aware they are doing so. Oh, this isn't that bad. I really have no choice. It is better this than something else, etc.
I am starting to see a pattern.
Do you come on here to take out your frustrations
or to debate for the truth?
Surely your time is worth more than you value it.
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Re: Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #184I go by their actions. The fact they raped someone is the best indicator they have no problem with it.AquinasForGod wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:52 pm Have you tried interviewing them to see if they know it is wrong? Ted Bundy knew what he did was wrong but just didn't care enough to abstain from it. He talks at great lengths how it was wrong. He tried blaming it on porn. BTW, Bundy raped women.
So he decided the least morally objectionable action was to kill them kids.Joseph Kallinger in the book the Shoe Maker, he goes on a lot about how it was wrong to kill the kids, but he forced himself to do it because he thought some floating dead head he saw was God telling him to do it.
Yet torture they do.In fact, even young children who are psychopaths have a sense they are doing wrong, which is why those that do so torture animals in secret.
I have moral objections to rape, murder, and torture.
So I don't do em.
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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Re: Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #185What about lying?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:25 amI go by their actions. The fact they raped someone is the best indicator they have no problem with it.AquinasForGod wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:52 pm Have you tried interviewing them to see if they know it is wrong? Ted Bundy knew what he did was wrong but just didn't care enough to abstain from it. He talks at great lengths how it was wrong. He tried blaming it on porn. BTW, Bundy raped women.
So he decided the least morally objectionable action was to kill them kids.Joseph Kallinger in the book the Shoe Maker, he goes on a lot about how it was wrong to kill the kids, but he forced himself to do it because he thought some floating dead head he saw was God telling him to do it.
Yet torture they do.In fact, even young children who are psychopaths have a sense they are doing wrong, which is why those that do so torture animals in secret.
I have moral objections to rape, murder, and torture.
So I don't do em.
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Re: Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #186Whenever an honest answer might needlessly upset the pretty thing. And the grand girls- to teach em not to blindly trust what folks say.OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:27 amWhat about lying?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:25 amI go by their actions. The fact they raped someone is the best indicator they have no problem with it.AquinasForGod wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:52 pm Have you tried interviewing them to see if they know it is wrong? Ted Bundy knew what he did was wrong but just didn't care enough to abstain from it. He talks at great lengths how it was wrong. He tried blaming it on porn. BTW, Bundy raped women.
So he decided the least morally objectionable action was to kill them kids.Joseph Kallinger in the book the Shoe Maker, he goes on a lot about how it was wrong to kill the kids, but he forced himself to do it because he thought some floating dead head he saw was God telling him to do it.
Yet torture they do.In fact, even young children who are psychopaths have a sense they are doing wrong, which is why those that do so torture animals in secret.
I have moral objections to rape, murder, and torture.
So I don't do em.
How 'bout you?
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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Re: Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #187I never ever lie. Not even for the lust of my heart.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:46 amWhenever an honest answer might needlessly upset the pretty thing. And the grand girls- to teach em not to blindly trust what folks say.OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:27 amWhat about lying?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:25 amI go by their actions. The fact they raped someone is the best indicator they have no problem with it.AquinasForGod wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:52 pm Have you tried interviewing them to see if they know it is wrong? Ted Bundy knew what he did was wrong but just didn't care enough to abstain from it. He talks at great lengths how it was wrong. He tried blaming it on porn. BTW, Bundy raped women.
So he decided the least morally objectionable action was to kill them kids.Joseph Kallinger in the book the Shoe Maker, he goes on a lot about how it was wrong to kill the kids, but he forced himself to do it because he thought some floating dead head he saw was God telling him to do it.
Yet torture they do.In fact, even young children who are psychopaths have a sense they are doing wrong, which is why those that do so torture animals in secret.
I have moral objections to rape, murder, and torture.
So I don't do em.
How 'bout you?
I place honor and God above all.
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Re: Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #188Well good for you.
I'm sure the god you can't show exists is a proud ya can't show he is.
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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Re: Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #189You are wrong again.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:34 amWell good for you.
I'm sure the god you can't show exists is a proud ya can't show he is.
All these words that I have posted to you is Him.
I am Him.
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Re: Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?
Post #190Delusions of grandeur are a sign of extreme psychological instability. To all who suffer such, please seek professional medical or psychiatric counsel.OneWay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:11 amYou are wrong again.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:34 amWell good for you.
I'm sure the god you can't show exists is a proud ya can't show he is.
All these words that I have posted to you is Him.
I am Him.
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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