Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?

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Theists, Some Vexing Follow-up Questions?.?.?

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In a recent topic ---- > here (viewtopic.php?t=38559&start=60), I posed the following question:

"when one reads this Verse, was the punishment commanded by the consensus of humans, or, god himself?"

Placing this into context, the interlocutor argues that God's moral don't change, but the assigned punishment does --- for whatever reason (undefined).... The above question has yet to be answered or addressed by my debate opponent. So I thought I would offer it here.

For debate:

1) Let's suppose God's morals do not change. Okay, great... Then why in the heck does god command that a priest's daughter is to be burned to death, if she loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father, with NO caveats?

2) If there exists caveats, why are they not mentioned?

3) Was this command ultimately issued/inspired by God, or humans? And how do you know?

4) Exactly when and WHY does this command no longer apply? Or is it still applied by God?

5) How can you distinguish if any passages, at all, are inspired by any god?
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:

"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:50 pm
brunumb wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:18 pm
AquinasForGod wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:38 pm They know raping women is wrong, I am sure.
"In philosophy, objectivity is the concept of truth independent from individual subjectivity (bias caused by one's perception, emotions, or imagination)."

Try again.
If I wanna know who has no moral qualms with the raping, I ask a rapist.
Have you tried interviewing them to see if they know it is wrong? Ted Bundy knew what he did was wrong but just didn't care enough to abstain from it. He talks at great lengths how it was wrong. He tried blaming it on porn. BTW, Bundy raped women.

Joseph Kallinger in the book the Shoe Maker, he goes on a lot about how it was wrong to kill the kids, but he forced himself to do it because he thought some floating dead head he saw was God telling him to do it.

In fact, even young children who are psychopaths have a sense they are doing wrong, which is why those that do so torture animals in secret.

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AquinasForGod wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:44 pm I disagree. They would not know rape is right ever. They might ignore that it is wrong and justify it, but they will know they are justifying it.

When people justify evil, they are aware they are doing so. Oh, this isn't that bad. I really have no choice. It is better this than something else, etc.
You are in no position to read the minds of others. You are viewing everything through the lens of your own personal biases. The whole concept of objectivity is lost on you.
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brunumb wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:16 am
AquinasForGod wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:44 pm I disagree. They would not know rape is right ever. They might ignore that it is wrong and justify it, but they will know they are justifying it.

When people justify evil, they are aware they are doing so. Oh, this isn't that bad. I really have no choice. It is better this than something else, etc.
You are in no position to read the minds of others. You are viewing everything through the lens of your own personal biases. The whole concept of objectivity is lost on you.
You cannot prove your accusations.
I am starting to see a pattern.

Do you come on here to take out your frustrations
or to debate for the truth?

Surely your time is worth more than you value it.

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AquinasForGod wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:52 pm Have you tried interviewing them to see if they know it is wrong? Ted Bundy knew what he did was wrong but just didn't care enough to abstain from it. He talks at great lengths how it was wrong. He tried blaming it on porn. BTW, Bundy raped women.
I go by their actions. The fact they raped someone is the best indicator they have no problem with it.
Joseph Kallinger in the book the Shoe Maker, he goes on a lot about how it was wrong to kill the kids, but he forced himself to do it because he thought some floating dead head he saw was God telling him to do it.
So he decided the least morally objectionable action was to kill them kids.
In fact, even young children who are psychopaths have a sense they are doing wrong, which is why those that do so torture animals in secret.
Yet torture they do.

I have moral objections to rape, murder, and torture.

So I don't do em.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:25 am
AquinasForGod wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:52 pm Have you tried interviewing them to see if they know it is wrong? Ted Bundy knew what he did was wrong but just didn't care enough to abstain from it. He talks at great lengths how it was wrong. He tried blaming it on porn. BTW, Bundy raped women.
I go by their actions. The fact they raped someone is the best indicator they have no problem with it.
Joseph Kallinger in the book the Shoe Maker, he goes on a lot about how it was wrong to kill the kids, but he forced himself to do it because he thought some floating dead head he saw was God telling him to do it.
So he decided the least morally objectionable action was to kill them kids.
In fact, even young children who are psychopaths have a sense they are doing wrong, which is why those that do so torture animals in secret.
Yet torture they do.

I have moral objections to rape, murder, and torture.

So I don't do em.
What about lying?

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OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:27 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:25 am
AquinasForGod wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:52 pm Have you tried interviewing them to see if they know it is wrong? Ted Bundy knew what he did was wrong but just didn't care enough to abstain from it. He talks at great lengths how it was wrong. He tried blaming it on porn. BTW, Bundy raped women.
I go by their actions. The fact they raped someone is the best indicator they have no problem with it.
Joseph Kallinger in the book the Shoe Maker, he goes on a lot about how it was wrong to kill the kids, but he forced himself to do it because he thought some floating dead head he saw was God telling him to do it.
So he decided the least morally objectionable action was to kill them kids.
In fact, even young children who are psychopaths have a sense they are doing wrong, which is why those that do so torture animals in secret.
Yet torture they do.

I have moral objections to rape, murder, and torture.

So I don't do em.
What about lying?
Whenever an honest answer might needlessly upset the pretty thing. And the grand girls- to teach em not to blindly trust what folks say.

How 'bout you?
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:46 am
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:27 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:25 am
AquinasForGod wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:52 pm Have you tried interviewing them to see if they know it is wrong? Ted Bundy knew what he did was wrong but just didn't care enough to abstain from it. He talks at great lengths how it was wrong. He tried blaming it on porn. BTW, Bundy raped women.
I go by their actions. The fact they raped someone is the best indicator they have no problem with it.
Joseph Kallinger in the book the Shoe Maker, he goes on a lot about how it was wrong to kill the kids, but he forced himself to do it because he thought some floating dead head he saw was God telling him to do it.
So he decided the least morally objectionable action was to kill them kids.
In fact, even young children who are psychopaths have a sense they are doing wrong, which is why those that do so torture animals in secret.
Yet torture they do.

I have moral objections to rape, murder, and torture.

So I don't do em.
What about lying?
Whenever an honest answer might needlessly upset the pretty thing. And the grand girls- to teach em not to blindly trust what folks say.

How 'bout you?
I never ever lie. Not even for the lust of my heart.
I place honor and God above all.

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OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:49 am I never ever lie. Not even for the lust of my heart.
I place honor and God above all.
Well good for you.

I'm sure the god you can't show exists is a proud ya can't show he is.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:34 am
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:49 am I never ever lie. Not even for the lust of my heart.
I place honor and God above all.
Well good for you.

I'm sure the god you can't show exists is a proud ya can't show he is.
You are wrong again.
All these words that I have posted to you is Him.
I am Him.

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OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:11 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:34 am
OneWay wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:49 am I never ever lie. Not even for the lust of my heart.
I place honor and God above all.
Well good for you.

I'm sure the god you can't show exists is a proud ya can't show he is.
You are wrong again.
All these words that I have posted to you is Him.
I am Him.
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