How is there reality without God?

[EarthScienceguy]

Neils Bohr
"No Phenomenon is a phenomenon until it is an observed phenomenon." Or another way to say this is that a tree does not fall in a forest unless it is observed.

The only way for there to be an objective reality is if God is the constant observer everywhere.

Physicist John Archibald Wheeler: "It is wrong to think of the past as 'already existing' in all detail. The 'past' is theory. The past has no existence except as it is recorded in the present."

God is everywhere so He can observe everywhere and produce objective reality.

[Jose Fly]

So you are telling California Berkely that they do not know what they are talking about. Sure dude.

Huh? You're not even making sense. The same Berkeley site has a page on peripatric speciation. https://evolution.berkeley.edu/modes-of ... peciation/

So what experimental evidence do you have a rapid specialization? Theory is not experimental evidence.

Sigh.....you didn't even bother to look at the last link I posted, did you? Go look and take note of the specific example they give.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to William in post #130]

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.

Ok, you do not believe in objective reality. Let me know when you do.

[William]

[Replying to EarthScienceguy in post #132]

Ok, you do not believe in objective reality. Let me know when you do.

What is there to believe in? Let me know, when you do.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to Jose Fly in post #131]

Sigh.....you didn't even bother to look at the last link I posted, did you? Go look and take note of the specific example they give.

Yea exactly what I said. Do you have an experimental example of rapid speciation?

Your example:

• Here’s a very hypothetical example of how the peripatric speciation mode works, returning to our intrepid fruit flies venturing off the mainland on a bunch of rotting bananas.

[Clownboat]

I truly think it's impossible to advocate creationism in an honest manner.

Faithbased creationists will not be taught. They will die off and we will have educated the younger generation to what we consider to be our best explanations.

It's not like we educated people out of their belief that the earth was the center of the solar system. We educated the new generation as the old died off still holding to it. Creationists are just the next dying breed as creationism as an explanation has no future.

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to Jose Fly in post #131]

Sigh.....you didn't even bother to look at the last link I posted, did you? Go look and take note of the specific example they give.

Yea exactly what I said. Do you have an experimental example of rapid speciation?

Your example:

• Here’s a very hypothetical example of how the peripatric speciation mode works, returning to our intrepid fruit flies venturing off the mainland on a bunch of rotting bananas.

I'm curious to know what scientifically valid experimental example of gods our theist proponents can deliver.

[Jose Fly]

[Replying to Jose Fly in post #131]

Sigh.....you didn't even bother to look at the last link I posted, did you? Go look and take note of the specific example they give.

Yea exactly what I said. Do you have an experimental example of rapid speciation?

Your example:

• Here’s a very hypothetical example of how the peripatric speciation mode works, returning to our intrepid fruit flies venturing off the mainland on a bunch of rotting bananas.

Sigh....you're still not keeping up. I've already shown you one example (which you ignored), so it should be fun to see what you do with another.


Rapid experimental evolution of reproductive isolation from a single natural population

Abstract
Ecological speciation occurs when local adaptation generates reproductive isolation as a by-product of natural selection. Although ecological speciation is a fundamental source of diversification, the mechanistic link between natural selection and reproductive isolation remains poorly understood, especially in natural populations. Here, we show that experimental evolution of parasite body size over 4 y (approximately 60 generations) leads to reproductive isolation in natural populations of feather lice on birds. When lice are transferred to pigeons of different sizes, they rapidly evolve differences in body size that are correlated with host size. These differences in size trigger mechanical mating isolation between lice that are locally adapted to the different sized hosts. Size differences among lice also influence the outcome of competition between males for access to females. Thus, body size directly mediates reproductive isolation through its influence on both intersexual compatibility and intrasexual competition. Our results confirm that divergent natural selection acting on a single phenotypic trait can cause reproductive isolation to emerge from a single natural population in real time.

[Jose Fly]

Faithbased creationists will not be taught. They will die off and we will have educated the younger generation to what we consider to be our best explanations.

I get that part, but why do they have to be so ridiculously dishonest as well? IMO it's due to the fundamental dishonest nature of creationism itself.

It's not like we educated people out of their belief that the earth was the center of the solar system. We educated the new generation as the old died off still holding to it. Creationists are just the next dying breed as creationism as an explanation has no future.

Oh for sure. Just today, in a Christian forum I lurk in I saw them lamenting how even in most Christian forums now, "evolution rules" (as they put it). So even they recognize the inevitable reality....creationism is effectively dead.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to Jose Fly in post #137]

Sigh....you're still not keeping up. I've already shown you one example (which you ignored), so it should be fun to see what you do with another.

It was hypothetical. Hypothetical, not real. That would not be an example.

Rapid experimental evolution of reproductive isolation from a single natural population

Abstract
Ecological speciation occurs when local adaptation generates reproductive isolation as a by-product of natural selection. Although ecological speciation is a fundamental source of diversification, the mechanistic link between natural selection and reproductive isolation remains poorly understood, especially in natural populations. Here, we show that experimental evolution of parasite body size over 4 y (approximately 60 generations) leads to reproductive isolation in natural populations of feather lice on birds. When lice are transferred to pigeons of different sizes, they rapidly evolve differences in body size that are correlated with host size. These differences in size trigger mechanical mating isolation between lice that are locally adapted to the different sized hosts. Size differences among lice also influence the outcome of competition between males for access to females. Thus, body size directly mediates reproductive isolation through its influence on both intersexual compatibility and intrasexual competition. Our results confirm that divergent natural selection acting on a single phenotypic trait can cause reproductive isolation to emerge from a single natural population in real time.

This is not rapid specialization. Still the same species just bigger. And it took 4 years to get bigger one trait. That is not very rapid.

[Jose Fly]

This is not rapid specialization. Still the same species just bigger.

So if achieving reproductive isolation is not speciation to you, what is?

And it took 4 years to get bigger one trait. That is not very rapid.

LOL....so what do you consider to be "rapid" in terms of speciation?