Rules for thee, but not for Me....did Jesus really pay the price?

[Ozzy_O]

Some balk at the idea of eternal damnation. Is eternal hell fair? How can an eternity of punishment be just recompense for only one lifetime of human sin? Particularly if a person was generally decent, how is it fair that living apart from God for only 70 to 100 years results in eternity in hell?

A man sins; some say he is born in sin deserving of eternal hell.

God is fair and just, so He HAS TO insist on full payment for sin.

So a judge sentences you to life in prison as punishment for your crime; for reasons unknown, the judges son agrees to take your place and serve the sentence. Everyone is astonished and celebrates and worships the judge's son for doing such a wonderful deed.

However, after only three days in jail, the judge tells his son, that's ok, you can go, YOU don't have the serve the full sentence; however, had you or I gone to jail, we would rot and die in prison as a fair and just punishment for our crime.

Jesus knew he wasn't gonna stay dead forever and knew he wouldn't be tormented in hell for eternity.

Did Jesus really "pay the price" and take the punishment that sinners deserve?

[TRANSPONDER]

Matter of opinion isn't it? Atheists say "Jesus was somewhat inconvenienced for your sins". Since he knew (according to the Bible) that he's be raised in 3 days, and be dining at God's table eternally after that, it seems that if one could call it a sacrifice at all, it wan't much of one.

Christian apologists on the other hand, (or me doing a hat - wearing impression of one) might say it was nasty, brutal and unpleasant, and that's sacrifice enough. but the fact is that hundreds had been crucified before that. God could have designated any of those a sacrifice and use that make a loophole in the law of Sin Death that He could remove any time He wanted.

"No, no, it has to be one that was voluntary and blameless."

"Yes, I get that - unspitted lamb and all that. But why couldn't that have been done long before? And a real Sacrifice - one where there was no reward of resurrection and eternal life?"

"God has His reasons."

"But I need better reasons than that."

Well ... ..I'd like it go "But you have to know about the sacrifice, so you can believe." So sin is only overcome If you have right belief. But it would probably go: "God gives you a choice, believe or not, but don't blame me when you are being pitchforked into the flames of Hell..."

Which is why they say we won't change anyone's mind. But it comes down to the Case, and 'God knows best is not a case,it is an evasion, and explaining why it all makes no sense from Genesis to Acts is our Case, and the people have to decide.

"Yes indeed, Socrates, at least, if they will listen to me."

[JoeyKnothead]

Some balk at the idea of eternal damnation. Is eternal hell fair? How can an eternity of punishment be just recompense for only one lifetime of human sin? Particularly if a person was generally decent,

According to the tale, I've done me a decent amount of sinning. According to the data available to me, not one person can show a god even exists to care about my vast collection of Chinese lesbian midget porn.

how is it fair that living apart from God for only 70 to 100 years results in eternity in hell?

Cause religion ain't gotta make it near as much sense as it does to provide comfort.

A man sins; some say he is born in sin deserving of eternal hell.

Some say them little green peas are delicious. I don't trust me neither bunch of em.

God is fair and just, so He HAS TO insist on full payment for sin.

Religion for brother better'n you.

So a judge sentences you to life in prison as punishment for your crime; for reasons unknown, the judges son agrees to take your place and serve the sentence. Everyone is astonished and celebrates and worships the judge's son for doing such a wonderful deed.

However, after only three days in jail, the judge tells his son, that's ok, you can go, YOU don't have the serve the full sentence; however, had you or I gone to jail, we would rot and die in prison as a fair and just punishment for our crime.

That's just being poor in Murica.

Jesus knew he wasn't gonna stay dead forever and knew he wouldn't be tormented in hell for eternity.

And caught him a fish big enough to feed hundreds. On a ten pound locust.

Did Jesus really "pay the price" and take the punishment that sinners deserve?

Theologically? I reckon.

Factually? Ain't none can show Jesus even existed, much less to've caught him such big ol' fish. Let that understanding inform your conclusions in this matter.

[Miles]

Some balk at the idea of eternal damnation. Is eternal hell fair?

No less fair than saddling everyone on Earth with sin just because of a mistake made by two neophyte humans.

How can an eternity of punishment be just recompense for only one lifetime of human sin?

Because god has no sense of fair play. It obviously pleases him that some will lack the innate wherewithal to avoid his dire consequence.
He made up his game of Humanity© as entertainment wherein he can watch them in "the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."(Matthew 13:50) Why else create it?

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[Shem Yoshi]

Some balk at the idea of eternal damnation. Is eternal hell fair? How can an eternity of punishment be just recompense for only one lifetime of human sin? Particularly if a person was generally decent, how is it fair that living apart from God for only 70 to 100 years results in eternity in hell?

A man sins; some say he is born in sin deserving of eternal hell.

That is a great question, and the way I have heard eternity described by multiple sources, is that it is an instant in time, one NDE said when he died he knew what eternity was, opposed to living it one moment at a time he was one with eternity.

Another source is quoted saying "Actually, there's only one instant, and it's right now, and it's eternity. And it's an instant in which God is posing a question, and that question is basically, 'Do you wanna, you know, be one with eternity, do you want to be in heaven?"

This might suggest that eternity is not like how we know time now, but it is an instant, and it is eternal, eternal judgement for the life you lived.

[brunumb]

[Replying to Shem Yoshi in post #5]

All very poetic Shem Yoshi, but it does nothing to convey the feeling of eternity or what is meant by eternal punishment. In any case, it still doesn't diminish the fact that whatever eternity is the punishment does not fit the crime. Surely it is nothing more than a big stick to keep the gullible believers in line.

[Shem Yoshi]

[Replying to Shem Yoshi in post #5]

All very poetic Shem Yoshi, but it does nothing to convey the feeling of eternity or what is meant by eternal punishment. In any case, it still doesn't diminish the fact that whatever eternity is the punishment does not fit the crime. Surely it is nothing more than a big stick to keep the gullible believers in line.

I dont know, I feel like if eternity is but an instant, its like the full judgement of the completion of your life.

[brunumb]

[Replying to Shem Yoshi in post #7]

It doesn't say much for eternal bliss then.

[Shem Yoshi]

[Replying to Shem Yoshi in post #7]

It doesn't say much for eternal bliss then.

well its an instant, but it is eternity. It is the completion of life.

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to Shem Yoshi in post #7]

It doesn't say much for eternal bliss then.

well its an instant, but it is eternity. It is the completion of life.

Religion, where an instant in time takes all of it to do it.