Christianity's Biggest Problem Yet?

[POI]

Below is a 20 minute video. For the ones who opt not to watch, I'll start with the following question? (Which may then lead to many others, as this is a fairly new concept of thought for me)....

Why does YHWH allow for so much animal suffering? Before you Christians answer, I trust you are already aware of this guy's counter points?

[AquinasForGod]

if there is no evil involved here, the debate is over. This debate is dependent on evil being aloud by a good God.

I would regard God as being evil if he allows unnecessary suffering.

You would have to show God allows unnecessary suffering. It could be that all suffering is necessary according to God's infinite wisdom.

[Shem Yoshi]

if there is no evil involved here, the debate is over. This debate is dependent on evil being aloud by a good God.

I would regard God as being evil if he allows unnecessary suffering.

Well anyone is aloud to have any opinion they want. People could hate god for any irrational reason they want. Or someone could hate and curse God for creating them. But I don't believe the argument here would stand, that God is evil.

[Shem Yoshi]

I suppose the question here would be, is God evil if he allows unnecessary suffering?

It is surely a big philosophical question, but one question might be, is any suffering unnecessary? Could it be that suffering itself is a necessity? Another question to recap, is suffering evil? And another one is, if God allows evil or suffering does that make God evil? These ere really big questions..

I go with the faithful side.

In fact, i think it is by faith that all suffering turns out to be good. (like Romans 8:28 says)... With faith, evil is done away with, for no matter what happens, you come out faithfully. Now whether an animal understands that i wont say, but they dont have the capacity like humans to understand abstract concepts. But even if someone doesnt understand it, it doesnt make it not true.

[brunumb]

if there is no evil involved here, the debate is over. This debate is dependent on evil being aloud by a good God.

I would regard God as being evil if he allows unnecessary suffering.

You would have to show God allows unnecessary suffering. It could be that all suffering is necessary according to God's infinite wisdom.

You need to show that God has infinite wisdom. Better still, show this God is even real. If I had the power to prevent unnecessary suffering, then I would do it. I think most empathetic humans would do it as well. The rest are just stumbling over themselves in an effort to defend the God they worship in any way possible. Got to secure that reserved seat in heaven and dodge the fast train to hell.

[brunumb]

In fact, i think it is by faith that all suffering turns out to be good. (like Romans 8:28 says)... With faith, evil is done away with, for no matter what happens, you come out faithfully.

Faith is what allows one to believe in anything, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

[Shem Yoshi]

In fact, i think it is by faith that all suffering turns out to be good. (like Romans 8:28 says)... With faith, evil is done away with, for no matter what happens, you come out faithfully.

Faith is what allows one to believe in anything, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

Well we can see for ourselves. It is by Faith that suffering is aloud to achieve anything good. Without faith anything bad can destroy a man. I kind of talked about it in the thread i linked bellow ("what doesnt kill you makes you stronger" debate). And we see very real stories of this every day. People with terminal illnesses can demonstrate their perseverance with their faith, or they can let it destroy them. Or even as i pointed out in the thread, we can see any little thing as bad in our lives and it can destroy us, like not being able to concentrate was an example i gave. Faith is how people persevere though suffering. And surely we have examples of people in all areas of suffering who believe they got stronger because of it.

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[brunumb]

In fact, i think it is by faith that all suffering turns out to be good. (like Romans 8:28 says)... With faith, evil is done away with, for no matter what happens, you come out faithfully.

Faith is what allows one to believe in anything, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

Well we can see for ourselves. It is by Faith that suffering is aloud to achieve anything good. Without faith anything bad can destroy a man. I kind of talked about it in the thread i linked bellow ("what doesnt kill you makes you stronger" debate). And we see very real stories of this every day. People with terminal illnesses can demonstrate their perseverance with their faith, or they can let it destroy them. Or even as i pointed out in the thread, we can see any little thing as bad in our lives and it can destroy us, like not being able to concentrate was an example i gave. Faith is how people persevere though suffering. And surely we have examples of people in all areas of suffering who believe they got stronger because of it.

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For the untold millions who endured suffering and died, what use was it? How did their faith help them? Propping up belief in their God is of little value to them. Sure, believing in things even if they are not true might still help you persevere. How does that make suffering a good thing? Faith is not the issue here. It all rather sounds like defense of a God that allows the indefensible.

[Shem Yoshi]

Isnt it great that we can go through anything at all, and come out better people because of it? I mean I guess it all comes down to your outlook, but we can make it through anything and everything with our head up high... It's a good thing.

In fact David even wrote "verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity."... And Jesus said the "first is last and the last is first".

In our suffering we are lifted up by God. Hallelujah

[POI]

Isnt it great that we can go through anything at all, and come out better people because of it? I mean I guess it all comes down to your outlook, but we can make it through anything and everything with our head up high... It's a good thing.

In fact David even wrote "verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity."... And Jesus said the "first is last and the last is first".

In our suffering we are lifted up by God. Hallelujah

You keep avoiding fundamental questions. You also forget this topic is about Christianity specifically.

1. Can an animal experience theodicy?
2. Can an animal go to heaven?

Assuming the answers to those questions are <no>, being you have avoided them like the plague about three times now, then it is a big problem.

We know why humans "suffer", as it relates to the Christian argument. An animal's "suffering", however, is pointless. So why in the heck would God subject them to it?

[POI]

You would have to show God allows unnecessary suffering. It could be that all suffering is necessary according to God's infinite wisdom.

Please show the necessity of ANIMAL "suffering"? Again, we are not talking about the human problem of evil. We are instead talking about the ANIMAL problem of evil.