myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:51 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 2:33 pm
The names written in the "book of Life" were written there from the foundation of the world (Rev 17:8), not a come to "Jesus" moment.
Yes, and all of them will be blotted out, except those who accept Jesus as their Savior:
Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 2:33 pm
As for "believing Jesus Christ as one's Savior" saving one from the wages of sin, is a nonstarter, for the mark of sin, is disease & death, and I am supposing you have your plagues (sicknesses) of the nations, as well as you are on the road to death.
I'm on my way to the first death. Jesus never sinned, but He suffered His first death like every other human. So the first death is not the wages for our sins.
2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 2:33 pmYour definition of "death" (permanent death) is wrong, as the righteous of Rev 20:4 all sinned yet will never face your defined "death" which is the judgment for sin (Jeremiah 31:30), which they all committed in order for them to die in the first place.
No one will suffer their second death until after judgment. But sin no longer controls our salvation anyway.
2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 2:33 pmAs for Jesus Christ being the savior, well that is not quite right.
So what must I do to be saved?
One must "overcome" the world, whose leader is the "beast" (Constantine/Caesar) and his 'two horns like a lamb" (Peter and Paul) (Rev 20:4) to become ruling heirs of the kingdom. As Yeshua asked God to take the burden away from him (Matthew 26:39), there is much reason to believe it was not "Yeshua" that was nailed to the cross, but like Abraham and Isaac, a substitute (scape goat) was put in place, and Yeshua would have been the naked guy in a sheet that left the scene. There was no reason for Yeshua to be killed, for he and Elijah were able to heal and raise the dead regardless. Yeshua's message was not the "cross", the false gospel of "grace", but his message was the "kingdom of heaven", whereas those who "commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:41-42) will be thrown into the furnace of fire, which is the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), Har-Magedon. The false gospel of grace/cross, is the tare seed, the message of the "devil"/"evil one"/"enemy" (Matthew 13). As for the "second death", supposedly being thrown into the lake of fire, the "false prophet" was thrown into the "lake of fire" preceding the "white throne judgment" (Rev 20:10-12). Although he will apparently not die, for he will suffer apparently forever and ever. As for what Yeshua said in order to be saved per Matthew 24:13, he "must endure to the end", which is to say, one must overcome the world to the end, and not bow down to Caesar or his agents. He also said to "enter into life", one must keep the Commandments, which is along the same lines. (Matthew 19:17).