Q: Is this belief a logical and productive way in which to understand our world and our place in it?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:07 amSatan is not working FOR Jehovah. He is working against Him. He challenged Jehovah that he could prove that mankind could live without Him and was given the opportunity by Jehovah. Jehovah is the Most High but has allowed Satan to take over rulership of the world for a set amount of time. Why else do you think the world is in such a mess? You think Jehovah rules this way? Satan is fast losing his challenge.William wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:41 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #2636]
YHVH informs me that YHVH is the most high over all the Earth and always has been.
It would appear that if Satan works for YHVH as a means of sorting out those who understand YHVH is the most high over all the Earth from those who believe otherwise, then this does not change the fact that YHVH is the most high over all the Earth.
Is the Earth really ruled by Satan?
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Re: Is the Earth really ruled by Satan?
Post #51And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:28 am [Replying to myth-one.com in post #38]
The Devil can be killed.
If God could kill the Devil and spare the Devil from everlasting torment, but does not kill the devil, then God is NOT LOVE!!
John 4:24
God is a Spirit.
If the devil is a spirit and can be killed, is God really safe?
Was Nietzsche correct?
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Re: Is the Earth really ruled by Satan?
Post #52[Replying to Diogenes in post #50]
The following, from a conversation I had with Open AI today.
I do not know with the same certainty you project, as to whether "all gods" are the same thing as the examples you give re fairies et al.
Thus, I cannot - as yet - agree with your statement that "All gods are fake"
I can agree with the idea that "all fake gods are not gods" but that does not appear to be what you are saying...
The following, from a conversation I had with Open AI today.
Without knowing what you mean when you use the phrase "all gods" it is hard for me to agree or disagree with your assessment.William: One remains neutral simply by not making a shift to either Theism or Atheism.
One can lend and ear to either side without having to wear the burden of being accused of holding and defending the position of either side.Aia: It is possible to remain neutral on the question of the existence of a higher power or deity by not aligning oneself with either theism (belief in a higher power) or atheism (lack of belief in a higher power). This can involve simply being open to hearing and considering the perspectives of both sides without committing to a particular position or belief.
By remaining neutral, an individual may avoid being accused of holding and defending a particular position on the existence of a higher power. However, it is important to note that neutrality on this issue can also be seen as a lack of commitment or conviction, and that some individuals may view this as a lack of integrity or authenticity.
Ultimately, the decision to align oneself with a particular belief or perspective on the existence of a higher power is a personal one, and should be based on an individual's own experiences, values, and understanding of the world.
I do not know with the same certainty you project, as to whether "all gods" are the same thing as the examples you give re fairies et al.
Thus, I cannot - as yet - agree with your statement that "All gods are fake"
I can agree with the idea that "all fake gods are not gods" but that does not appear to be what you are saying...
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Re: Is the Earth really ruled by Satan?
Post #53[Replying to William in post #1]
Q: Is the Earth really ruled by Satan?
Open AI The idea that the Earth is ruled by Satan is a belief held by some religious groups, but it is not a belief that is widely accepted among mainstream Christian denominations.
The Bible does describe Satan as the ruler of the world in passages such as John 12:31 and 14:30, and 1 John 5:19, and it states that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2, but these verses are often understood in a symbolic and metaphorical way, rather than a literal way. The language used in the Bible is often metaphorical in nature, and interpreting it literally may be problematic and leads to misunderstandings.
It's important to note that the belief that the Earth is ruled by Satan is not a widely accepted interpretation among mainstream Christianity, and most Christians believe that Satan is a powerful but defeated spiritual figure, rather than one who holds any sort of political power over the world.
In Christianity, God is believed to be the creator and ruler of the universe and nothing can happen without his permission. Satan is considered as a defeated enemy and deceiver, whose power is limited compared to God. The ultimate fate of Satan, according to the Bible is that he will be defeated and thrown into the lake of fire(Revelation 20:10) and the earth will be ruled by God's righteousness and justice.
It's important to note that the question of the nature and power of Satan is a complex and deeply debated topic that varies across different denominations and movements of Christianity and other religious traditions, and it's always good to keep an open mind, and consider different perspectives and interpretations before reaching a personal belief.
Q: Is the belief that Satan is the ruler of this world, a logical and productive way in which to understand our world and our place in it?
Open AI: The belief that Satan is the ruler of this world is not a widely held or mainstream belief among Christians, and most Christians believe that God is the ultimate ruler of the universe and that Satan is a defeated spiritual figure.
From a logical standpoint, it's difficult to reconcile the belief that Satan is the ruler of the world with the reality of the world we see around us. The world is a complex and diverse place, and it's hard to explain the existence of good and evil, suffering and injustice, as the direct result of Satan's rule. There are many other factors and forces at play in the world that shape human history and experiences.
Furthermore, it's also important to consider how this belief might impact one's perception of the world. A belief that Satan is in control can lead to a sense of hopelessness and cynicism, and it can make it difficult to see the good in the world or to take action to make positive change. It can also create a sense of fear and paranoia, making it hard for people to trust in God's goodness, justice and love.
From a productive point of view, it's more beneficial to understand the world as being complex, with both positive and negative forces at play, rather than being controlled by one malevolent force. It allows individuals to focus on making positive change in the world, and to understand that evil and suffering are not the result of Satan's rule but the result of the free will of human beings, the imperfections of the world and the consequences of actions.
It's important to remember that, the interpretation of religious texts and beliefs is a personal and subjective matter, and ultimately it's up to each individual to decide what they believe and how they understand their place in the world. It's always good to approach any interpretation with an open mind, consider different perspectives, and be mindful of how beliefs might impact one's perception of the world.
Q: Is the Earth really ruled by Satan?
Open AI The idea that the Earth is ruled by Satan is a belief held by some religious groups, but it is not a belief that is widely accepted among mainstream Christian denominations.
The Bible does describe Satan as the ruler of the world in passages such as John 12:31 and 14:30, and 1 John 5:19, and it states that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2, but these verses are often understood in a symbolic and metaphorical way, rather than a literal way. The language used in the Bible is often metaphorical in nature, and interpreting it literally may be problematic and leads to misunderstandings.
It's important to note that the belief that the Earth is ruled by Satan is not a widely accepted interpretation among mainstream Christianity, and most Christians believe that Satan is a powerful but defeated spiritual figure, rather than one who holds any sort of political power over the world.
In Christianity, God is believed to be the creator and ruler of the universe and nothing can happen without his permission. Satan is considered as a defeated enemy and deceiver, whose power is limited compared to God. The ultimate fate of Satan, according to the Bible is that he will be defeated and thrown into the lake of fire(Revelation 20:10) and the earth will be ruled by God's righteousness and justice.
It's important to note that the question of the nature and power of Satan is a complex and deeply debated topic that varies across different denominations and movements of Christianity and other religious traditions, and it's always good to keep an open mind, and consider different perspectives and interpretations before reaching a personal belief.
Q: Is the belief that Satan is the ruler of this world, a logical and productive way in which to understand our world and our place in it?
Open AI: The belief that Satan is the ruler of this world is not a widely held or mainstream belief among Christians, and most Christians believe that God is the ultimate ruler of the universe and that Satan is a defeated spiritual figure.
From a logical standpoint, it's difficult to reconcile the belief that Satan is the ruler of the world with the reality of the world we see around us. The world is a complex and diverse place, and it's hard to explain the existence of good and evil, suffering and injustice, as the direct result of Satan's rule. There are many other factors and forces at play in the world that shape human history and experiences.
Furthermore, it's also important to consider how this belief might impact one's perception of the world. A belief that Satan is in control can lead to a sense of hopelessness and cynicism, and it can make it difficult to see the good in the world or to take action to make positive change. It can also create a sense of fear and paranoia, making it hard for people to trust in God's goodness, justice and love.
From a productive point of view, it's more beneficial to understand the world as being complex, with both positive and negative forces at play, rather than being controlled by one malevolent force. It allows individuals to focus on making positive change in the world, and to understand that evil and suffering are not the result of Satan's rule but the result of the free will of human beings, the imperfections of the world and the consequences of actions.
It's important to remember that, the interpretation of religious texts and beliefs is a personal and subjective matter, and ultimately it's up to each individual to decide what they believe and how they understand their place in the world. It's always good to approach any interpretation with an open mind, consider different perspectives, and be mindful of how beliefs might impact one's perception of the world.
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Re: Is the Earth really ruled by Satan?
Post #54Do you not read my posts? Really? God will kill the Devil, for He takes no delight in anyone suffering, especially forever in unbearable pain. Satan will be put out of his misery, and it would be misery for him not being able to do anything, just like any animal that is suffering. What you say about God not being love isn't clear. He would not be love if he roasted Satan (or anyone!) in a never-ending fire. The lake of fire is symbolic for everlasting destruction, total obliteration, just like the trash in the garbage dump of Gehenna. I don't follow you either when you say "is God really safe?"myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:59 amAnd the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:28 am [Replying to myth-one.com in post #38]
The Devil can be killed.
If God could kill the Devil and spare the Devil from everlasting torment, but does not kill the devil, then God is NOT LOVE!!
John 4:24
God is a Spirit.
If the devil is a spirit and can be killed, is God really safe?
Was Nietzsche correct?
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Re: Is the Earth really ruled by Satan?
Post #55Yes, I read your posts.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:24 pmDo you not read my posts? Really? God will kill the Devil, for He takes no delight in anyone suffering, especially forever in unbearable pain. Satan will be put out of his misery, and it would be misery for him not being able to do anything, just like any animal that is suffering. What you say about God not being love isn't clear. He would not be love if he roasted Satan (or anyone!) in a never-ending fire. The lake of fire is symbolic for everlasting destruction, total obliteration, just like the trash in the garbage dump of Gehenna.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:59 amAnd the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:28 am [Replying to myth-one.com in post #38]
The Devil can be killed.
If God could kill the Devil and spare the Devil from everlasting torment, but does not kill the devil, then God is NOT LOVE!!
John 4:24
God is a Spirit.
If the devil is a spirit and can be killed, is God really safe?
Was Nietzsche correct?
Your post #54 claimed that God will kill the Devil. But the Bible states that the Devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever in the lake of fire!
Thus your post #54 contradicts the scriptures as inspired by God.
onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:24 pm I don't follow you either when you say "is God really safe?"
The Devil is a spirit and God is a spirit. If spirits can be killed as you claim, then why can't the spirit you call God be killed?
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Re: Is the Earth really ruled by Satan?
Post #56I explained above what that "torment" in the "lake of fire" means. It's not about a conscious Satan. He's "tormented," meaning he cannot do anything. He won't be consciously tormented. He will be obliterated in the symbolic lake of fire.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:59 pmYes, I read your posts.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:24 pmDo you not read my posts? Really? God will kill the Devil, for He takes no delight in anyone suffering, especially forever in unbearable pain. Satan will be put out of his misery, and it would be misery for him not being able to do anything, just like any animal that is suffering. What you say about God not being love isn't clear. He would not be love if he roasted Satan (or anyone!) in a never-ending fire. The lake of fire is symbolic for everlasting destruction, total obliteration, just like the trash in the garbage dump of Gehenna.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:59 amAnd the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:28 am [Replying to myth-one.com in post #38]
The Devil can be killed.
If God could kill the Devil and spare the Devil from everlasting torment, but does not kill the devil, then God is NOT LOVE!!
John 4:24
God is a Spirit.
If the devil is a spirit and can be killed, is God really safe?
Was Nietzsche correct?
Your post #54 claimed that God will kill the Devil. But the Bible states that the Devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever in the lake of fire!
Thus your post #54 contradicts the scriptures as inspired by God.
onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:24 pm I don't follow you either when you say "is God really safe?"
The Devil is a spirit and God is a spirit. If spirits can be killed as you claim, then why can't the spirit you call God be killed?
God can't be killed because He is the Maker of heaven and Earth. He created everything, and He can un-create anything that He wants to. Not one of His creations can kill Him.
