Christianity's Biggest Problem Yet?

[POI]

Below is a 20 minute video. For the ones who opt not to watch, I'll start with the following question? (Which may then lead to many others, as this is a fairly new concept of thought for me)....

Why does YHWH allow for so much animal suffering? Before you Christians answer, I trust you are already aware of this guy's counter points?

[kjw47]

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

You are avoiding the issue. The link demonstrates how scientists know dinosaurs ate each other. It's not just a claim, in which they pulled out of their keisters.

So, why would dinosaurs suffer BEFORE the fall of man?

The bible doesnt say.

Okay? But we now agree suffering happened before the "fall of man". This makes no sense. Why would God allow suffering here?

Who said dinosaurs suffered?

Now we might be starting to get somewhere.... Are you saying dinosaurs did not suffer?

No one knows

[kjw47]

God inspired the words by holy spirit through righteous men to write his words down in the bible.

Well that's the party line, but we have no way of substantiating that claim. It is very likely that everything in the Bible has a purely human origin with no divine influence at all. In fact, if you take God out of the picture, all of the absurdities in the Bible begin to make sense.

Archeologists have verified many things in the bible.

[kjw47]

Archeologists proved many of the writings as true.

No one denies that some of the places and events were real. That doesn't mean that everything in it is real. Have you never encountered any books of fiction set in a real world environment with known places and real people?

The bible is real. There are things about outer space in the OT that weren't proven as fact until the 19th century or after. How could they possibly know 1000,s of years prior to proof?

[kjw47]

You asked why the angel being roamed free on earth. He didnt become satan and devil until he rebelled. He was in good standing until then.

Are you saying that Satan was in good standing when he was allowed access to the garden and that he rebelled later?

Genesis 3: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

How does that sit with your explanation. And, you still haven't explained why God cursed the serpent but did nothing to Satan.

God appointed that angel over the Garden. Genesis 3:15 proves it was about the devil. The devil bruised Jesus in the heel, Jesus bruised him in the head.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Where does it say God appointed the angel (who became Satan) over the garden? Also, not seeing Jesus or Satan in that passage. Care to explain?

Every scholar knows it is that way. The women refers to Gods kingdom. Jesus is appointed king of that kingdom.

Oh, I get it now. Make up stuff about the other made up stuff. If it's not in the original text, just spin something out and pretend that's what the original meant. Be sure to attribute whatever it is to the 'scholars'. You can get the Bible to say just about anything you want if you try hard enough.

My teachers are appointed by Jesus, they get holy spirit guiding them into all truth--at the proper time( Matt 24:45)

This is a faithclaim; you may believe it; why should we?

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

Do you have anything substantial to back up that claim?

In Gods kingdom, it will go back to the way it was-no meat eaters-Isaiah 11:7

That says nothing about what occurred on the ark. That said, animals have have digestive systems which do not permit them to just eat anything. Before or after the alleged flood is irrelevant. The Bible is patently wrong, because the people who wrote it were completely ignorant of how life functions or how the world really works.

God inspired the words by holy spirit through righteous men to write his words down in the bible.

This is another faithclaim. You believe it, why should we, especially when there is so much that looks wrong?

Gods kingdom rule promises to fix it all.

Having admitted you never met God, how might we confirm you speak truth in this new claim of yours?

It's downright goofy how so many theists on this site think that just presenting pile upon steaming pile of claim upon claim upon claim is somehow presenting evidence for any of it.

Promises found in Gods inspired word=the bible.

Where have you established the Bible to be a god's words, as opposed to the words of humans?

Archeologists proved many of the writings as true.

They proved many more as false or doubtful. No Flood, doubtful Exodus, Tyre prophecy didn't happen, doubts that Nazareth really existed in 1st c. AD.There's more reason to doubt the bible than to believe it.

Jesus was an eyewitness to the flood from heaven when it occurred. He compared these last days to Noahs day. Luke 17:26

[Diogenes]

Archeologists proved many of the writings as true.

No one denies that some of the places and events were real. That doesn't mean that everything in it is real. Have you never encountered any books of fiction set in a real world environment with known places and real people?

The bible is real. There are things about outer space in the OT that weren't proven as fact until the 19th century or after. How could they possibly know 1000,s of years prior to proof?

Yes, the Bible is real. They are published. They have many pages of paper. Some have leather covers. The Bible is as real as a comic book.

You fail to name the things in 'outer space' the Bible 'proved' before scientists. Are you thinking of the Earth being flat? That's what the Bible says. Are you talking about the Sun going around the Earth? That's what the Bible says.

But you are off topic. The question here is about the horrible cruelty suffered by animals. Carnivores evolved to eat only meat. The only way to get meat is to kill an animal or let something else kill it. Evolution explains this perfectly, but if you claim a 'god' created this system of unspeakable suffering and pain, then you have to give your god credit for cruelty.

[POI]

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

You are avoiding the issue. The link demonstrates how scientists know dinosaurs ate each other. It's not just a claim, in which they pulled out of their keisters.

So, why would dinosaurs suffer BEFORE the fall of man?

The bible doesnt say.

Okay? But we now agree suffering happened before the "fall of man". This makes no sense. Why would God allow suffering here?

Who said dinosaurs suffered?

Now we might be starting to get somewhere.... Are you saying dinosaurs did not suffer?

No one knows

Heck, we do not even need to go this far. Were animals, reptiles, other, who attacked each other, something that was apparently not considered 'evil' until AFTER the 'fall of man'?

[brunumb]

Archeologists proved many of the writings as true.

No one denies that some of the places and events were real. That doesn't mean that everything in it is real. Have you never encountered any books of fiction set in a real world environment with known places and real people?

The bible is real. There are things about outer space in the OT that weren't proven as fact until the 19th century or after. How could they possibly know 1000,s of years prior to proof?

The Bible is real in that it is a book that exists. Did it get things right about outer space? Nothing of any significance that would require some sort of divine inspiration rather than human intuition. Then there are the things that are patently wrong. On the other hand one has to wonder why outer space was important when there could have been more valuable information provided regarding germs and diseases for example. How to avoid illnesses, or treat them. We did get told that some incantations and pigeon's blood will cure leprous houses though. Now that was really useful.

[kjw47]

Archeologists proved many of the writings as true.

No one denies that some of the places and events were real. That doesn't mean that everything in it is real. Have you never encountered any books of fiction set in a real world environment with known places and real people?

The bible is real. There are things about outer space in the OT that weren't proven as fact until the 19th century or after. How could they possibly know 1000,s of years prior to proof?

Yes, the Bible is real. They are published. They have many pages of paper. Some have leather covers. The Bible is as real as a comic book.

You fail to name the things in 'outer space' the Bible 'proved' before scientists. Are you thinking of the Earth being flat? That's what the Bible says. Are you talking about the Sun going around the Earth? That's what the Bible says.

But you are off topic. The question here is about the horrible cruelty suffered by animals. Carnivores evolved to eat only meat. The only way to get meat is to kill an animal or let something else kill it. Evolution explains this perfectly, but if you claim a 'god' created this system of unspeakable suffering and pain, then you have to give your god credit for cruelty.

I guess the reason some things needed to eat meat after the flood. The water vapor layer that came down to the earth exposed something in the sun that made certain things need meat.

[kjw47]

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

You are avoiding the issue. The link demonstrates how scientists know dinosaurs ate each other. It's not just a claim, in which they pulled out of their keisters.

So, why would dinosaurs suffer BEFORE the fall of man?

The bible doesnt say.

Okay? But we now agree suffering happened before the "fall of man". This makes no sense. Why would God allow suffering here?

Who said dinosaurs suffered?

Now we might be starting to get somewhere.... Are you saying dinosaurs did not suffer?

No one knows

Heck, we do not even need to go this far. Were animals, reptiles, other, who attacked each other, something that was apparently not considered 'evil' until AFTER the 'fall of man'?

Who said they attacked each other?

[POI]

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

You are avoiding the issue. The link demonstrates how scientists know dinosaurs ate each other. It's not just a claim, in which they pulled out of their keisters.

So, why would dinosaurs suffer BEFORE the fall of man?

The bible doesnt say.

Okay? But we now agree suffering happened before the "fall of man". This makes no sense. Why would God allow suffering here?

Who said dinosaurs suffered?

Now we might be starting to get somewhere.... Are you saying dinosaurs did not suffer?

No one knows

Heck, we do not even need to go this far. Were animals, reptiles, other, who attacked each other, something that was apparently not considered 'evil' until AFTER the 'fall of man'?

Who said they attacked each other?

The link I sent, you, about 5 posts ago. It provides clear evidence dinosaurs attacked/ate each other. Was this not considered 'evil' before the 'fall of man'?