Christianity's Biggest Problem Yet?

[POI]

Below is a 20 minute video. For the ones who opt not to watch, I'll start with the following question? (Which may then lead to many others, as this is a fairly new concept of thought for me)....

Why does YHWH allow for so much animal suffering? Before you Christians answer, I trust you are already aware of this guy's counter points?

[otseng]

Its even worse--The athiests live in darkness and will lose out on Eternal life.

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[brunumb]

Its even worse--The athiests live in darkness and will lose out on Eternal life.

Even worse, theists live in false hope and will not get eternal life either.

Preaching is so easy. You can say anything you like and not have to demonstrate the truth of any of it. Some will buy it, some will not. By the way, I pay my electricity bills regularly and never have to live in darkness, unless I choose to.

[Oops. Sorry otseng. I will refrain in future]

[TRANSPONDER]

Its even worse--The athiests live in darkness and will lose out on Eternal life.

Even worse, theists live in false hope and will not get eternal life either.

Preaching is so easy. You can say anything you like and not have to demonstrate the truth of any of it. Some will buy it, some will not. By the way, I pay my electricity bills regularly and never have to live in darkness, unless I choose to.

[Oops. Sorry otseng. I will refrain in future]

Quite so that threats of hellfire or whatever are without force, but Believers can never be sure which religion is the correct one and thus just which wrong believers are going to burn, if any.

Oh - the admonishment wasn't to you, though in fact i didn't see kjw's remark as Personal, rather more reiterating mainstream Christian dogma about divine punishment for uunbelievers - we have got used to being threatened with hellfire.

[Diogenes]

Videos of men and women saving animals that are in dangerous situations are among the most popular on the internet. I just watched one of Russian fishermen rescuing two bear cubs from freezing water after their mother gave up.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -cubs.html
As in many of these videos the men risked their own safety and equipment to rescue the animals. We can all find dozens of videos of animal rescues.

Yet theists propose the existence of a supposedly loving God who who made us in his likeness, yet this God "intelligently designed" a world where many animals and microbes will die if they don't tear other animals limb from limb or destroy them with long agonizing deaths.

This is a great argument against the existence of the God of the Bible. Congratulations to POI for proposing it.

[William]

[Replying to Diogenes in post #514]

Yet theists propose the existence of a supposedly loving God who who made us in his likeness, yet this God "intelligently designed" a world where many animals and microbes will die if they don't tear other animals limb from limb or destroy them with long agonizing deaths.

Is it atheism which gives you relief from the problem of evil. If so, does atheism also give you relief from the problem of how the world naturally functions?

[benchwarmer]

Is it atheism which gives you relief from the problem of evil.

Just jumping in the middle here.

For most atheists, I imagine there is no "problem of evil". This so called problem only exists for theists who claim their god is perfectly 'good'. i.e. perfectly not evil.

As an atheist I don't believe in any thus far proposed gods. I recognize the concept of evil (based on my own subjective opinion of what is evil), but see no 'problem' other than I suppose the people who are knowingly committing this evil. That, however, is not the commonly known 'problem of evil'.

If so, does atheism also give you relief from the problem of how the world naturally functions?

The only thing atheism gives me relief of is worrying about what any particular god concept might be thinking of me or planning to do to me. As for how that world functions, that's what science is all about. Observing, questioning, testing, and verifying. Anything that doesn't have an answer is "I don't know, maybe we should keep looking if we care".

[William]

Is it atheism which gives you relief from the problem of evil.

Just jumping in the middle here.

For most atheists, I imagine there is no "problem of evil". This so called problem only exists for theists who claim their god is perfectly 'good'. i.e. perfectly not evil.

As an atheist I don't believe in any thus far proposed gods. I recognize the concept of evil (based on my own subjective opinion of what is evil), but see no 'problem' other than I suppose the people who are knowingly committing this evil. That, however, is not the commonly known 'problem of evil'.

If so, does atheism also give you relief from the problem of how the world naturally functions?

The only thing atheism gives me relief of is worrying about what any particular god concept might be thinking of me or planning to do to me. As for how that world functions, that's what science is all about. Observing, questioning, testing, and verifying. Anything that doesn't have an answer is "I don't know, maybe we should keep looking if we care".

My thoughts exactly. I just posted this.

There are those who do go by the name "atheist" who are agnostic about the subject, but a lot of them do reason that if we exist within a created thing, then "anything which created the universe and specifically the horrors the Earth produces, points only to an evil god-creator."

I find the notion bizarre, even though I understand it/have experienced it, myself.

[JoeyKnothead]

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Quite so that threats of hellfire or whatever are without force, but Believers can never be sure which religion is the correct one and thus just which wrong believers are going to burn, if any.

I tote me a hog wherever I go, just in case. No sense not putting on a barbecue while I'm at it.