Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[myth-one.com]

Paul wrote the vast majority of the New Testament, 13 of the 27 different books.

Is the entire New Testament of the Bible a "false gospel of grace"?

According to Yeshua in Matthew 13, the NT is a composite of the "message of the enemy/devil", the "tare seed", planted "among" the "message of the son of man", the good/wheat seed. The "tare" seed would also include the messages of the associates of Paul, which would make it composed of more than 50% of the tare seed, the "message" of the false gospel of grace, a "covenant with death" (Isaiah 28:15-18).

Then is your answer a "Yes" that the New Testament defines a "false gospel of grace"?

Or is your answer that it is greater than 50% a "false gospel of grace"?

In which case we could round it off to a "false gospel of grace".

[onewithhim]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #2706]

I'm sorry, when somebody keeps saying that Paul was a false apostle, I have no further interest in discussing anything with them. I can't get past your first sentence.

That is probably because your church is built upon the foundation of Paul's false gospel of grace. Regardless of whether you listen or not, the "house" built on "sand" will "fall" (Matthew 7:24-27).

Paul wrote the vast majority of the New Testament, 13 of the 27 different books.

Is the entire New Testament of the Bible a "false gospel of grace"?

According to Yeshua in Matthew 13, the NT is a composite of the "message of the enemy/devil", the "tare seed", planted "among" the "message of the son of man", the good/wheat seed. The "tare" seed would also include the messages of the associates of Paul, which would make it composed of more than 50% of the tare seed, the "message" of the false gospel of grace, a "covenant with death" (Isaiah 28:15-18).

As I have explained, the "tares" are the apostate "Christians" that practically smothered the good "wheat" which is the true sons of the kingdom. It pictures the situation of Apostasy in the world today. False Christians almost overwhelming the true Christians. No way does Jesus say that the tares are the New Testament! That's a real stretch!

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #2706]

I'm sorry, when somebody keeps saying that Paul was a false apostle, I have no further interest in discussing anything with them. I can't get past your first sentence.

That is probably because your church is built upon the foundation of Paul's false gospel of grace. Regardless of whether you listen or not, the "house" built on "sand" will "fall" (Matthew 7:24-27).

Paul wrote the vast majority of the New Testament, 13 of the 27 different books.

Is the entire New Testament of the Bible a "false gospel of grace"?

According to Yeshua in Matthew 13, the NT is a composite of the "message of the enemy/devil", the "tare seed", planted "among" the "message of the son of man", the good/wheat seed. The "tare" seed would also include the messages of the associates of Paul, which would make it composed of more than 50% of the tare seed, the "message" of the false gospel of grace, a "covenant with death" (Isaiah 28:15-18).

As I have explained, the "tares" are the apostate "Christians" that practically smothered the good "wheat" which is the true sons of the kingdom. It pictures the situation of Apostasy in the world today. False Christians almost overwhelming the true Christians. No way does Jesus say that the tares are the New Testament! That's a real stretch!

The "tares", "those who commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:41), such as believe in the false gospel of grace, are the product of the "tare" seed, the message of lawlessness, which is the message of the "enemy"/"devil", which was "sown" "among" the "good seed", the message of the son of man (Matthew 13:25). The seeds of both were "sown" in the same "field"/book/NT. The NT canon was enumerated by a Catholic bishop in 367 A.D. and was edited by the Roman Catholic church, a daughter of Babylon (Revelation 17:3-4), whose authority originated by way of the kingdom of Rome, whose authority came by way of the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4).

[2ndpillar2]

Paul wrote the vast majority of the New Testament, 13 of the 27 different books.

Is the entire New Testament of the Bible a "false gospel of grace"?

According to Yeshua in Matthew 13, the NT is a composite of the "message of the enemy/devil", the "tare seed", planted "among" the "message of the son of man", the good/wheat seed. The "tare" seed would also include the messages of the associates of Paul, which would make it composed of more than 50% of the tare seed, the "message" of the false gospel of grace, a "covenant with death" (Isaiah 28:15-18).

Then is your answer a "Yes" that the New Testament defines a "false gospel of grace"?

Or is your answer that it is greater than 50% a "false gospel of grace"?

In which case we could round it off to a "false gospel of grace".

It is a mix of the "message" of the "enemy", the false gospel of grace (the covenant with death) (Isaiah 28:15-18) and the message of the son of man (kingdom based on justice and righteousness) (Isaiah 28:15-18). The time is coming when the chaff will be separated from the wheat seed, and the chaff will be burned as is modeled in Matthew 13:30. Until that time, the "end of the age", the "tares" were under the protection of the son of man (Matthew 13:28-29).

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #2714]

Gospel: the Christian message concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation.

If Paul's gospel of grace in the New Testament is false, then what is the true gospel message according to 2ndpillar2?

Thanks.

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #2714]

Gospel: the Christian message concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation.

If Paul's gospel of grace in the New Testament is false, then what is the true gospel message according to 2ndpillar2?

Thanks.

The "message of the son of man", which is the "kingdom" per Matthew 13:11-13, which is presented in "parables", which are not understood by the "wicked", such as those who "commit lawlessness", such as the false gospel of grace/cross (Matthew 13:41 & Isaiah 6:9 & Daniel 12:10).

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #2714]

Gospel: the Christian message concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation.

If Paul's gospel of grace in the New Testament is false, then what is the true gospel message according to 2ndpillar2?

Thanks.

The "message of the son of man", which is the "kingdom" per Matthew 13:11-13, which is presented in "parables", which are not understood by the "wicked", such as those who "commit lawlessness", such as the false gospel of grace/cross (Matthew 13:41 & Isaiah 6:9 & Daniel 12:10).

There are many kingdoms.

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #2714]

Gospel: the Christian message concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation.

If Paul's gospel of grace in the New Testament is false, then what is the true gospel message according to 2ndpillar2?

Thanks.

The "message of the son of man", which is the "kingdom" per Matthew 13:11-13, which is presented in "parables", which are not understood by the "wicked", such as those who "commit lawlessness", such as the false gospel of grace/cross (Matthew 13:41 & Isaiah 6:9 & Daniel 12:10).

There are many kingdoms.

So say the Mormons, but I didn't realize that was a teaching of the JWs. You can take that message to the bank, but don't expect to withdraw any funds based on that deposit. As far as the Mormons, there are supposedly many "kingdoms", realms for their followers to reign over, but it required that you were to have multiple wives in this life to populate your new realm with many of your children. As for the many "kingdoms" of Revelation 17 & Daniel 2:44-45, they will all be either "crushed" or "overcome". I am not sure which reference you are pertaining to, but I can guess as to the reality of your situation.

[myth-one.com]

Gospel: the Christian message concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation.

If Paul's gospel of grace in the New Testament is false, then what is the true gospel message according to 2ndpillar2?

The "message of the son of man", which is the "kingdom" . . .

The Gospel is a kingdom by definition.

Do you have any idea which kingdom it is, what the message of Christ is, and how salvation is gained or lost?

[2ndpillar2]

Gospel: the Christian message concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation.

If Paul's gospel of grace in the New Testament is false, then what is the true gospel message according to 2ndpillar2?

The "message of the son of man", which is the "kingdom" . . .

The Gospel is a kingdom by definition.

Do you have any idea which kingdom it is, what the message of Christ is, and how salvation is gained or lost?

Whose definition? The message of Yeshua was the kingdom as defined by Daniel 2:44-45, Ezekiel 34, Ezekiel 37:15-28, Zechariah 14:16, Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 19:13-15, whereas the "Word of God", as the son of man, as David's seed, who will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, "immediately after the tribulation", while being the king of the combined house of Judah and Ephraim. Being "saved" as introduced by Joel 2:3, is "surviving"/"escaping" the "day of the LORD", would be the "saved" of Matthew 24:13, which is reserved for those who "endure to the end". The one who turns from "wickedness"/lawlessness (in line with the false gospel of grace), will escape destruction (Ezekiel 33:19).