Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[myth-one.com]

Whose definition? The message of Yeshua was the kingdom as defined by Daniel 2:44-45, Ezekiel 34, Ezekiel 37:15-28, Zechariah 14:16, Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 19:13-15, whereas the "Word of God", as the son of man, as David's seed, who will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, "immediately after the tribulation", while being the king of the combined house of Judah and Ephraim. Being "saved" as introduced by Joel 2:3, is "surviving"/"escaping" the "day of the LORD", would be the "saved" of Matthew 24:13, which is reserved for those who "endure to the end". The one who turns from "wickedness"/lawlessness (in line with the false gospel of grace), will escape destruction (Ezekiel 33:19).

Do you imagine anyone would be saved by reading the above?

[2ndpillar2]

Whose definition? The message of Yeshua was the kingdom as defined by Daniel 2:44-45, Ezekiel 34, Ezekiel 37:15-28, Zechariah 14:16, Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 19:13-15, whereas the "Word of God", as the son of man, as David's seed, who will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, "immediately after the tribulation", while being the king of the combined house of Judah and Ephraim. Being "saved" as introduced by Joel 2:3, is "surviving"/"escaping" the "day of the LORD", would be the "saved" of Matthew 24:13, which is reserved for those who "endure to the end". The one who turns from "wickedness"/lawlessness (in line with the false gospel of grace), will escape destruction (Ezekiel 33:19).

Do you imagine anyone would be saved by reading the above?

No one is saved by reading anything. According to Yeshua, the son of man, one must "endure" to the end (Matthew 24:13), or in simpler terms, turn from wickedness to righteousness, and remain righteous. (Ezekiel 33:19-20) According to Yeshua, you must "heed" his message (Matthew 7:24-27) and avoid "false prophets" (Matthew 7:13-15).

[myth-one.com]

Whose definition? The message of Yeshua was the kingdom as defined by Daniel 2:44-45, Ezekiel 34, Ezekiel 37:15-28, Zechariah 14:16, Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 19:13-15, whereas the "Word of God", as the son of man, as David's seed, who will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, "immediately after the tribulation", while being the king of the combined house of Judah and Ephraim. Being "saved" as introduced by Joel 2:3, is "surviving"/"escaping" the "day of the LORD", would be the "saved" of Matthew 24:13, which is reserved for those who "endure to the end". The one who turns from "wickedness"/lawlessness (in line with the false gospel of grace), will escape destruction (Ezekiel 33:19).

Do you imagine anyone would be saved by reading the above?

No one is saved by reading anything. According to Yeshua, the son of man, one must "endure" to the end (Matthew 24:13), or in simpler terms, turn from wickedness to righteousness, and remain righteous. (Ezekiel 33:19-20) According to Yeshua, you must "heed" his message (Matthew 7:24-27) and avoid "false prophets" (Matthew 7:13-15).

According to Jesus Christ, one must simply believe in Him to be saved:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[2ndpillar2]

Whose definition? The message of Yeshua was the kingdom as defined by Daniel 2:44-45, Ezekiel 34, Ezekiel 37:15-28, Zechariah 14:16, Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 19:13-15, whereas the "Word of God", as the son of man, as David's seed, who will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, "immediately after the tribulation", while being the king of the combined house of Judah and Ephraim. Being "saved" as introduced by Joel 2:3, is "surviving"/"escaping" the "day of the LORD", would be the "saved" of Matthew 24:13, which is reserved for those who "endure to the end". The one who turns from "wickedness"/lawlessness (in line with the false gospel of grace), will escape destruction (Ezekiel 33:19).

Do you imagine anyone would be saved by reading the above?

No one is saved by reading anything. According to Yeshua, the son of man, one must "endure" to the end (Matthew 24:13), or in simpler terms, turn from wickedness to righteousness, and remain righteous. (Ezekiel 33:19-20) According to Yeshua, you must "heed" his message (Matthew 7:24-27) and avoid "false prophets" (Matthew 7:13-15).

According to Jesus Christ, one must simply believe in Him to be saved:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The better and first version was John 11:25 followed by your version of John 11:26 & John 3:16. New King James Version
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
For according to the "Word", Jeremiah 31:30, "everyone will die for their own transgressions".

I would suggest that you "believe Yeshua", and what he says, which follows John 3:16 is "for everyone who does evil hates the light, and not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed" (John 3:20) One must believe in the "Word", the "Word made flesh" (John 1:14).

[myth-one.com]

Whose definition? The message of Yeshua was the kingdom as defined by Daniel 2:44-45, Ezekiel 34, Ezekiel 37:15-28, Zechariah 14:16, Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 19:13-15, whereas the "Word of God", as the son of man, as David's seed, who will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, "immediately after the tribulation", while being the king of the combined house of Judah and Ephraim. Being "saved" as introduced by Joel 2:3, is "surviving"/"escaping" the "day of the LORD", would be the "saved" of Matthew 24:13, which is reserved for those who "endure to the end". The one who turns from "wickedness"/lawlessness (in line with the false gospel of grace), will escape destruction (Ezekiel 33:19).

Do you imagine anyone would be saved by reading the above?

No one is saved by reading anything. According to Yeshua, the son of man, one must "endure" to the end (Matthew 24:13), or in simpler terms, turn from wickedness to righteousness, and remain righteous. (Ezekiel 33:19-20) According to Yeshua, you must "heed" his message (Matthew 7:24-27) and avoid "false prophets" (Matthew 7:13-15).

According to Jesus Christ, one must simply believe in Him to be saved:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The better and first version was John 11:25 followed by your version of John 11:26 & John 3:16. New King James Version
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
For according to the "Word", Jeremiah 31:30, "everyone will die for their own transgressions".

I would suggest that you "believe Yeshua", and what he says, which follows John 3:16 is "for everyone who does evil hates the light, and not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed" (John 3:20) One must believe in the "Word", the "Word made flesh" (John 1:14).

You're confusing the Old Testament Covenant with the New Testament Covenant.

In the original Testament between man and God, man had to fulfill the commandments of God to gain everlasting life. That is, the wages of sin is death, where sin was breaking commandments of God.

Under the New Testament Covenant, we are no longer under the law. All we have to do is believe in Jesus as our Savior to gain everlasting life.

Thus salvation becomes a free gift of God through Jesus Christ.

The wages of sin is still everlasting death, but those who believe in Jesus as their Savior are given everlasting spiritual bodied life upon which death has no effect.

The New Testament became effective upon the death of Jesus. At that moment, the original covenant vanished away.

[2ndpillar2]

Whose definition? The message of Yeshua was the kingdom as defined by Daniel 2:44-45, Ezekiel 34, Ezekiel 37:15-28, Zechariah 14:16, Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 19:13-15, whereas the "Word of God", as the son of man, as David's seed, who will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, "immediately after the tribulation", while being the king of the combined house of Judah and Ephraim. Being "saved" as introduced by Joel 2:3, is "surviving"/"escaping" the "day of the LORD", would be the "saved" of Matthew 24:13, which is reserved for those who "endure to the end". The one who turns from "wickedness"/lawlessness (in line with the false gospel of grace), will escape destruction (Ezekiel 33:19).

Do you imagine anyone would be saved by reading the above?

No one is saved by reading anything. According to Yeshua, the son of man, one must "endure" to the end (Matthew 24:13), or in simpler terms, turn from wickedness to righteousness, and remain righteous. (Ezekiel 33:19-20) According to Yeshua, you must "heed" his message (Matthew 7:24-27) and avoid "false prophets" (Matthew 7:13-15).

According to Jesus Christ, one must simply believe in Him to be saved:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The better and first version was John 11:25 followed by your version of John 11:26 & John 3:16. New King James Version
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
For according to the "Word", Jeremiah 31:30, "everyone will die for their own transgressions".

I would suggest that you "believe Yeshua", and what he says, which follows John 3:16 is "for everyone who does evil hates the light, and not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed" (John 3:20) One must believe in the "Word", the "Word made flesh" (John 1:14).

You're confusing the Old Testament Covenant with the New Testament Covenant.

In the original Testament between man and God, man had to fulfill the commandments of God to gain everlasting life. That is, the wages of sin is death, where sin was breaking commandments of God.

Under the New Testament Covenant, we are no longer under the law. All we have to do is believe in Jesus as our Savior to gain everlasting life.

Thus salvation becomes a free gift of God through Jesus Christ.

The wages of sin is still everlasting death, but those who believe in Jesus as their Savior are given everlasting spiritual bodied life upon which death has no effect.

The New Testament became effective upon the death of Jesus. At that moment, the original covenant vanished away.

Well, that is what the "enemy"/"devil" of Matthew 13:25 & 39 would want you to believe, and of course as was done in the garden of Eden, when the "serpent" said, "you surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4), Adam and Eve also took the bait, but they did die on that day (within 1000 years), and "everyone will die for their own iniquities" (Jeremiah 31:30), which is the rule, not the exception. The "new covenant" made with the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel" per Jeremiah 31:31-33 was with respect to the LAW put within their hearts, not that it is to be "vanished away". The way this was to happen was that after "the house of Israel" was taken out of the nations/Gentiles, post Har-Magedon (great tribuation), Ephraim and Judah would be reunited, and given a new heart and spirit, and keep all of the LORD's "ordinances" (Ezekiel 36:22-24 & 37:15-28) and have "David" as "king" over them, on the "land given to Jacob". The "wages of sin" still remains "death", and "everyone will die", and apparently be risen from the dead to be judged (Revelation 20:12-13), or in the case of those without the mark of the beast, previously risen to rule for 1000 years. (Revelation 20:4) And the name Yeshua means that the "LORD (YHWY) saves", not that Yeshua saves. Yeshua provides a "narrow" "path" for the "few", that "leads to life" (Matthew 7:13-14), whereas the "false prophets" provide a "broad" "way" that leads to "destruction", for the "many" (Matthew 7:13-15).

[onewithhim]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #2706]

I'm sorry, when somebody keeps saying that Paul was a false apostle, I have no further interest in discussing anything with them. I can't get past your first sentence.

That is probably because your church is built upon the foundation of Paul's false gospel of grace. Regardless of whether you listen or not, the "house" built on "sand" will "fall" (Matthew 7:24-27).

Paul wrote the vast majority of the New Testament, 13 of the 27 different books.

Is the entire New Testament of the Bible a "false gospel of grace"?

According to Yeshua in Matthew 13, the NT is a composite of the "message of the enemy/devil", the "tare seed", planted "among" the "message of the son of man", the good/wheat seed. The "tare" seed would also include the messages of the associates of Paul, which would make it composed of more than 50% of the tare seed, the "message" of the false gospel of grace, a "covenant with death" (Isaiah 28:15-18).

As I have explained, the "tares" are the apostate "Christians" that practically smothered the good "wheat" which is the true sons of the kingdom. It pictures the situation of Apostasy in the world today. False Christians almost overwhelming the true Christians. No way does Jesus say that the tares are the New Testament! That's a real stretch!

The "tares", "those who commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:41), such as believe in the false gospel of grace, are the product of the "tare" seed, the message of lawlessness, which is the message of the "enemy"/"devil", which was "sown" "among" the "good seed", the message of the son of man (Matthew 13:25). The seeds of both were "sown" in the same "field"/book/NT. The NT canon was enumerated by a Catholic bishop in 367 A.D. and was edited by the Roman Catholic church, a daughter of Babylon (Revelation 17:3-4), whose authority originated by way of the kingdom of Rome, whose authority came by way of the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4).

The tares are simply the apostate "Christians" that reared their heads mightily after the first century and the death of the last Apostle. We have seen the Apostate Church taking over a third of the people on the earth, practically overwhelming the true sons of the Kingdom. These "tares" will be shown up in the last days, in which we now live, to be what they are---false Christians. And God wouldn't be so remiss as to allow his Bible to be full of false messages. I believe that it is what he wants it to be at this time.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #2714]

Gospel: the Christian message concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation.

If Paul's gospel of grace in the New Testament is false, then what is the true gospel message according to 2ndpillar2?

Thanks.

The "message of the son of man", which is the "kingdom" per Matthew 13:11-13, which is presented in "parables", which are not understood by the "wicked", such as those who "commit lawlessness", such as the false gospel of grace/cross (Matthew 13:41 & Isaiah 6:9 & Daniel 12:10).

There are many kingdoms.

So say the Mormons, but I didn't realize that was a teaching of the JWs.

It is not a teaching of the JWs.

[onewithhim]

Gospel: the Christian message concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation.

If Paul's gospel of grace in the New Testament is false, then what is the true gospel message according to 2ndpillar2?

The "message of the son of man", which is the "kingdom" . . .

The Gospel is a kingdom by definition.

Do you have any idea which kingdom it is, what the message of Christ is, and how salvation is gained or lost?

Whose definition? The message of Yeshua was the kingdom as defined by Daniel 2:44-45, Ezekiel 34, Ezekiel 37:15-28, Zechariah 14:16, Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 19:13-15, whereas the "Word of God", as the son of man, as David's seed, who will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron from Jerusalem, "immediately after the tribulation", while being the king of the combined house of Judah and Ephraim. Being "saved" as introduced by Joel 2:3, is "surviving"/"escaping" the "day of the LORD", would be the "saved" of Matthew 24:13, which is reserved for those who "endure to the end". The one who turns from "wickedness"/lawlessness (in line with the false gospel of grace), will escape destruction (Ezekiel 33:19).

The Jerusalem from which Jesus will rule is the heavenly Jerusalem, not the earthly one. All the wicked of the nations will be gone when Armageddon is over with, and the ones rightly disposed for salvation will be ruled over (on the earth) by Jesus from heavenly Jerusalem. (Galatians 4:26) That is the Kingdom message. That includes the necessity of everyone accepting Jesus' redemption work when he was on the earth (dying for our sins).

[onewithhim]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #2724]
Believing involves more than just a shallow agreement. One must follow what Christ has said as well. If we truly believe we will listen to His words and apply them in our lives. After all, James wrote: "Just as the body without breath is dead, so also faith without works is dead." (James 2:26)