HAARP is working overtime!!

[Runner]

Contrary to popular understanding, the extreme changes in weather that we are seeing in America, and throughout the world, are due to various methods of weather manipulation/modification. The intensity of storms and completely unprecedented winter conditions are wreaking havoc on our world and the public is growing very tired of the nonsense and all the lies.

The official story is that it is Global Warming, or oops - Climate Change, that is the culprit for all of the never-before-seen weather events that began around the 1990's. Many people are waking up to the fact that this is simply not the case. There are too many unexplained factors that just don't add up. The more people look into these strange weather anomalies, the more they are discovering that weather modification experiments have been conducted by the military since the 1950's - '60's with great success. It is very obvious that the military would not scrap such programs that have proven to be very powerful and very effective.

Those who research the history of HAARP and its true capabilities unanimously conclude that these high tech devices, which are constructed in multiple locations on the earth, are undoubtedly affecting our weather in negative ways all over the world. Whether the organizations in charge of these facilities, and their programs, admit that these HAARP arrays are responsible or not makes no difference to those who take a little time to look into these programs. We became capable of cloud-seeding in the 50's-60's; nobody is buying that we have not advanced enormously in our abilities to control the weather in many ways since that time. And nobody is pleased with the weather that is being experienced all over the world today - especially when it has contributed to untold loss of property and lives.

If we had it our way, these programs would be shut down immediately, those involved would be charged and punished and these weather modification techniques would be banned worldwide. God created this world and all of nature to work like a finely-tuned clock. Meddling with His creation, and with the workings of our world's environment, is an abominable sin toward God and all mankind. The people involved in these programs are the most evil people in the world. May God Almighty deal with them as they so richly deserve.

[Miles]

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From the WIKIPEDIA article on THE High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP)

HAARP is the subject of numerous conspiracy theories. Various individuals have speculated about hidden motivations and capabilities of the project. For example, Rosalie Bertell warned in 1996 about the deployment of HAARP as a military weapon.[36] Michel Chossudovsky stated in a book published by the Committee on Monetary and Economic Reform that "recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the capability of triggering floods, hurricanes, droughts and earthquakes."[37] Over time, HAARP has been blamed for generating such catastrophes, as well as thunderstorms, in Iran, Pakistan, Haiti, Turkey, Greece and the Philippines, and even major power outages, the downing of TWA Flight 800, Gulf War syndrome, and chronic fatigue syndrome.[7][38][39]

Allegations include the following:

Nick Begich Jr., the son of the late U.S. Representative Nick Begich and brother of former U.S. Senator Mark Begich and retiring Alaska state senator Tom Begich, is the author of Angels Don't Play This HAARP. He has claimed that the HAARP facility could trigger earthquakes and turn the upper atmosphere into a giant lens so that "the sky would literally appear to burn." He maintains a website that claims HAARP is a mind control device.[40][41]

A Russian military journal wrote that ionospheric testing would "trigger a cascade of electrons that could flip Earth's magnetic poles".[40]

The Alaska state legislature and the European Parliament held hearings about HAARP, the latter citing environmental concerns.[42]

Former Governor of Minnesota, ex-professional wrestler, and documentary maker Jesse Ventura questioned whether the government is using the site to manipulate the weather or to bombard people with mind-controlling radio waves. An Air Force spokeswoman said Ventura made an official request to visit the research station but was rejected. "He and his crew showed up at HAARP anyway and were denied access."[43]

Physicist Bernard Eastlund claimed that HAARP includes technology based on his own patents that has the capability to modify weather and neutralize satellites.[6]

It has been proposed as a cause of low frequency background hums said to be heard in various locales.[44]

Two Georgia men arrested on drug charges in November 2016 were reportedly plotting domestic terrorism based on conspiracy theories about HAARP. The Coffee County Sheriff's Office said the men possessed a "massive arsenal" that included AR-15 rifles, Glock handguns, a Remington rifle and thousands of rounds of ammunition. According to police, the men wanted to destroy HAARP because they believed the facility manipulates the weather, controls minds and even traps the souls of people. Police say the men confessed that "God told them to go and blow this machine up that kept souls, so souls could be released."[45][46]

Stanford University professor Umran Inan told Popular Science that weather-control conspiracy theories were "completely uninformed," explaining that "there's absolutely nothing we can do to disturb the Earth's [weather] systems. Even though the power HAARP radiates is very large, it's minuscule compared with the power of a lightning flash—and there are 50 to 100 lightning flashes every second. HAARP's intensity is very small."[6] Computer scientist David Naiditch characterizes HAARP as "a magnet for conspiracy theorists," saying that HAARP attracts their attention because, "its purpose seems deeply mysterious to the scientifically uninformed."[7] Journalist Sharon Weinberger called HAARP "the Moby Dick of conspiracy theories," and said the popularity of conspiracy theories often overshadows the benefits HAARP may provide to the scientific community.[47][48] Austin Baird writing in the Alaska Dispatch said, "What makes HAARP susceptible to conspiracy criticism is simple. The facility doesn't open its doors in the same way as other federally funded research facilities around the country, and it doesn't go to great efforts to explain the importance of its research to the public."[38] In 2016, in response to these claims, the University of Alaska Fairbanks Geophysical Institute, which manages the facility, announced that HAARP will host an annual open house in August, allowing visitors to tour the complex.[49]

Reminds me of the stories about the flying saucer obsession of the 1950s.





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[Runner]

[Replying to Miles in post #2]

Interesting.

Out of your entire lengthy post, these were the only sentences that had any real significance, the rest was simply listing the extensive allegations against HAARP:

"there's absolutely nothing we can do to disturb the Earth's [weather] systems.

This guy would be very embarrassed if he actually knew anything at all about the science of weather. On the contrary, weather is very easily disturbed, and very easily manipulated/modified.

As was already presented, the military began open experimentation of cloud-seeding in the 50's - 60's with great success. Dubai just admitted publicly, within the last few years or so, that they were cloud-seeding and using drones to electrify clouds in order to bring rain to the desert. No Conspiracy, no mystery, no crazy people.

Weather is simply a pattern of air currents and hot and cold masses that carry, and develop, moisture based on specific circumstances. All that is needed is for these air masses, which are very easily tracked and monitored by computers today, to be heated in certain areas, which cause other areas to cool, etc., and all manner of weather can be created, and even very accurately directed.

The artificial creation of rain, and even huge masses of clouds, are child's play at this level of technological development.

"What makes HAARP susceptible to conspiracy criticism is simple. The facility doesn't open its doors in the same way as other federally funded research facilities around the country, and it doesn't go to great efforts to explain the importance of its research to the public."

Yes, that is odd.

[Miles]

[Replying to Miles in post #2]

Interesting.

Out of your entire lengthy post, these were the only sentences that had any real significance, the rest was simply listing the extensive allegations against HAARP:

"there's absolutely nothing we can do to disturb the Earth's [weather] systems.

This guy would be very embarrassed if he actually knew anything at all about the science of weather. On the contrary, weather is very easily disturbed, and very easily manipulated/modified.

As was already presented, the military began open experimentation of cloud-seeding in the 50's - 60's with great success. Dubai just admitted publicly, within the last few years or so, that they were cloud-seeding and using drones to electrify clouds in order to bring rain to the desert. No Conspiracy, no mystery, no crazy people.

Weather is simply a pattern of air currents and hot and cold masses that carry, and develop, moisture based on specific circumstances. All that is needed is for these air masses, which are very easily tracked and monitored by computers today, to be heated in certain areas, which cause other areas to cool, etc., and all manner of weather can be created, and even very accurately directed.

The artificial creation of rain, and even huge masses of clouds, are child's play at this level of technological development.

"What makes HAARP susceptible to conspiracy criticism is simple. The facility doesn't open its doors in the same way as other federally funded research facilities around the country, and it doesn't go to great efforts to explain the importance of its research to the public."

Yes, that is odd.

I don't believe cloud seeding or any other effort we've made in modifying immediate weather conditions would qualify as disturbing "the Earth's [weather] systems." I think "system" is better attached to climate. "Climate" referring to the long-term, average weather and atmospheric conditions over a relatively large area, whereas "weather" refers to short-term atmospheric conditions over a far smaller area.

"Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get."
...........................................................---old saying---

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[Runner]

I don't believe cloud seeding or any other effort we've made in modifying immediate weather conditions would qualify ...

Do you believe we can make it rain?

[brunumb]

The people involved in these programs are the most evil people in the world. May God Almighty deal with them as they so richly deserve.

If you have evidence that it is possible to control weather and climate, please present it. As far as I am concerned, the truly evil people are the ones who peddle misinformation and conspiracy theories while really being ignorant of the science behind what they are attacking. It's like promoting a book based on its cover without actually reading the contents.

Your OP provides no question as a focus for debate.

[Jose Fly]

As far as I am concerned, the truly evil people are the ones who peddle misinformation and conspiracy theories while really being ignorant of the science behind what they are attacking.

"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity"

[Miles]

I don't believe cloud seeding or any other effort we've made in modifying immediate weather conditions would qualify ...

Do you believe we can make it rain?

It's been done many, many times.

[Runner]

the truly evil people are the ones who peddle misinformation ... while really being ignorant of the science behind what they are attacking.

I couldn't agree more.

Your OP provides no question as a focus for debate.

I find the subject of HAARP to be highly debatable.

I missed the part of the Debate subforum that specifies that a direct question must be posted. Please direct me to that.

Thanks.

[Runner]

]Do you believe we can make it rain?

It's been done many, many times.

Yes?

And how much rain can we artificially cause to fall?

Can we make it flood?