Mormon Or Jehovah's Witness?

[SacredBishop]

I can't make up my mind. Should I be a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness. Both religions sound very reasonable to me, but unfortunately neither are in my city. I would have to move, but first I need to decide which religion is correct.

Joseph Smith or Joseph Rutherford? They were both extremely intelligent men, and certainly well respected by their peers. I know every other Christian denomination is horribly wrong, and full of heresies. Help me decide. Which religion is correct?

I believe the Bible predicted the church would be restored to glory in the 1800s in America. Both religions originated in the 1800s, thus my dilemma.

[JehovahsWitness]

IS IT ACADEMICALLY RECOGNISED THAT THE ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION OF THE TETRATRAMMATON HAS BEEN LOST?


Author David John Alfred Clines, biblical scholar

With the Temple being destroyed and the prohibition on pronouncing The Name outside of the Temple in force, the pronunciation of the Name fell into disuse. Scholars passed down knowledge of the correct pronunciation of YHVH for many generations, but eventually it was lost in common usage - https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hebrew_ ... me/History

Because the original Hebrew texts only included consonants, the correct pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton may have been lost. - hNew World Encyclopedia

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THE DIVINE NAME , PRONUNCIATION and ...NWT

Its believed some Kohen ( priests) have preserved the pronunciation. I saw a documentary about it. I can't remember the name ...

Good for them. If the controversy was settled however, I doubt there would still be thousands of internet pages debating the question. Either way, as I said , Jehovah's Witnesses have no poney in that particular race because as I said, we don't hold that pronunciation is the most important consideration.

[Shem Yoshi]

The archeological evidence for the Book of Mormon is also impressive.

What do you find impressive about the archaeological evidence of the BoM?

[SacredBishop]

The archeological evidence for the Book of Mormon is also impressive.

What do you find impressive about the archaeological evidence of the BoM?

They proved that the Aztecs destroyed all evidence of the BoM civilizations that lived here. The Aztecs destroyed them with such complete and utter destruction that nothing remains of them.

[SacredBishop]

In fact, we're it not for the BoM we wouldn't have even known those civilizations existed

[Shem Yoshi]

[Replying to SacredBishop in post #54]

The Book of Mormon tells us of entire Jewish civilizations in the America's... That the Aztec (Laminites) come from the same family and the Nephites, both Hebrew... There is no evidence for that... There isnt a single shred of evidence of any Hebrew thing being in america pre-Columbus.

According to the BoM, their entire civilization was of Jewish founding, all their learning was of Judaism. But not a single Jewish letter exists anywhere in central america, not to mention the Axtecs would have come from Judaism, their language, their knowledge, etc... But there is no evidence of that.

[Shem Yoshi]

I mean we are NOT talking of Judaism coming to Central America and some Native tribe with their own customs and languages wiped them out. We are talking about Judaism founding the tribes of Central America. That would mean the Axtec language itself would have evolved from Hebrew...

But there is no evidence of that... In fact they didnt even have a writing system... When Europe came to the America's, the Aztec were in the beginning stages of founding writing, Proto-hieroglyphic... They werew using pictures to describe things, not even an alphabet yet...

Yet we are suppose to believe the Hebrews founded them, and somehow documentation of all the wars and their civilizations, made it all the way up to Joseph Smith. The only person to see it, and magically interpreted it, and then angels took it to heaven.

[SacredBishop]

I mean we are NOT talking of Judaism coming to Central America and some Native tribe with their own customs and languages wiped them out. We are talking about Judaism founding the tribes of Central America. That would mean the Axtec language itself would have evolved from Hebrew...

But there is no evidence of that... In fact they didnt even have a writing system... When Europe came to the America's, the Aztec were in the beginning stages of founding writing, Proto-hieroglyphic... They werew using pictures to describe things, not even an alphabet yet...

Yet we are suppose to believe the Hebrews founded them, and somehow documentation of all the wars and their civilizations, made it all the way up to Joseph Smith.

OK, I lost my faith in Mormonism. Are you happy? You defeated me and now I lost my faith . I might try Charismatic nondenominational Kjv onlyism.

[Shem Yoshi]

I mean we are NOT talking of Judaism coming to Central America and some Native tribe with their own customs and languages wiped them out. We are talking about Judaism founding the tribes of Central America. That would mean the Axtec language itself would have evolved from Hebrew...

But there is no evidence of that... In fact they didnt even have a writing system... When Europe came to the America's, the Aztec were in the beginning stages of founding writing, Proto-hieroglyphic... They werew using pictures to describe things, not even an alphabet yet...

Yet we are suppose to believe the Hebrews founded them, and somehow documentation of all the wars and their civilizations, made it all the way up to Joseph Smith.

OK, I lost my faith in Mormonism. Are you happy? You defeated me and now I lost my faith . I might try Charismatic nondenominational Kjv onlyism.

Well you brought up archaeological evidence, and it was the lack of archaeological evidence that struck me.

If you want me honest opinion about Mormonism, i think the Book of Mormon is a great read, and it still bewilders me how Joseph Smith, a very young man could have created it. I still am perplexed of how the BoM could have come into existence. Perhaps he was a prophet, idk... Doctrine and Covenants section 87 prophesied the civil war very accurately, many years before it happen. In fact Joseph Smith was dead by the time the Civil War started... I have no idea how section 87 could be so precise in prophecy...

If you havent read the BoM, i would suggest doing that, it is a good read, very much easier to read then the Bible, its more of in our own language and understanding. Dont bother with the entire Doctrine and Covenants unless you want to come a Mormon....

Faith is one things, and Mormonism teaches faith.

But Joseph smith also started to teach people he would become a god of a planet, and he then started saying other people could be a god too... Which i find very concerning... And when he had an extra marital affair he started to teach it was ok, and so polygamy started. Also concerning

[Ross]

They [Jehovahs witnesses] have never individually worked anything out in their own minds. It is all accepted mind programming. ...

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I can assure you that your statement is not true for myself. And unless you are employing your own mind-reading skills, I do belive your blanket statement you cannot prove otherwise.

...This is why it appears so thorough and articulate.

Do you then have any beliefs that are not exactly in line with the major doctrinal theology of this movement? Do you disagree with anything the Governing body demands as 'truth?'

When I quote someone else's words, I do so using "< --quotation marks --> " and try always to include a source, otherwise, all the words you read in my posts are my own.

Of course most JW's do not necessarily relay word for word what is out of Watchtower books. They put it in their own language. This is known as paraphrase. But the message is still generally exact.
I accept your previous comments about reaching your conclusions about the book of John before you joined, and there are always exceptions to every rule.

But surely you must agree with my words above. In fact your faith prides itself on having 'one mind?' One doctrine of beliefs that must be obeyed from your Governing Body.

[JehovahsWitness]

Aside note, Josephus said the Tetragrammaton is four syllables. Google it. If it is four syllables everybody was wrong.

Yes there are all kinds of theories as to the pronunciation of the tetragrammaton, I cannot say I am familiar with a four syllable theory but certain linguists certainly propose more than two. In the end obviously most people dont get hung up on the number of syllables since the English "JESUS" is definitely at least one syllable short on the Hebrew Ye-hosh-u-a/ Ye-ho-shua



JW



FURTHER READING https://brightmorningstar.org/ineffable-name/

BOOK LIST: See George Wesley Buchanan; "How God's Name Was Pronounced", Biblical Archaeology Review Mar./Apr. 1995 Volume 21 Number 2; page 30. Harris, Archer, Waltke; "Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament" #484. James Trimm; "Nazarenes and the Name of YHWH," and "In Fame Only? A Historical Record of the Divine Name," by Gerard Gertoux