Temporary Sin Bearer Or Eternal Sin Bearer

[SacredBishop]

If Jesus bore the sins of humanity, why does his death absolve him of bearing them still? Shouldn't he bear them for always? A perpetual burden for perpetual redemption? Did his resurrection free him from absorbing sin into himself, or did his death? If his death is the merit of redemption, then he should stay dead for always. A perpetual death for perpetual redemption. If his life was the means to bear sin, then he should never have died, a perpetual continuity of bearing sin. If his resurrection enables him to continually bear sin, then back we go.

[brunumb]

Sin is not like a suitcase, you have to carry around or send back; its more like a mortage, once you pay it off, its gone.
Jesus paid for our sins with his life.

In that case Jesus should have remained dead. It's like having someone pay off your mortgage with a cheque on Friday, only to find that it bounced when the bank opened on Monday.

When I said "life" meant HUMAN life.

Naturally it was his human life since his god life could not be taken. In that case, what was resurrected?

resurrect - restore (a dead person) to life.

[JehovahsWitness]

You actually could pronounce someone guilty and then punish someone else.

Jesus was never punished (since he never did anything wrong ) he gave his life as a sacrifice. I think even the godless can at least intellectually grasp the notion of being willing to die to save the life of someone you love, of a parent being willing to throw himslef in front of a speeding car to push his child to safety. The sentiment being, "I dont have to die but I will happily do so if it will save the life of my child"

Is the notion of "sacrifice" one only spiritual people can grasp?

[JehovahsWitness]

When I said "life" meant HUMAN life.

.... In that case, what was resurrected?

Jesus (the person) was resurrected but not as a human. He was brought back in another lifeform ... a spirit.




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[Purple Knight]

You actually could pronounce someone guilty and then punish someone else.

Jesus was never punished (since he never did anything wrong ) he gave his life as a sacrifice. I think even the godless can at least intellectually grasp the notion of being willing to die to save the life of someone you love, of a parent being willing to throw himself in front of a speeding car to push his child to safety. The sentiment being, "I don't have to die but I will happily do so if it will save the life of my child"

Is the notion of "sacrifice" one only spiritual people can grasp?

As it relates to guilt and justice, maybe. It's at very least going to be particularly hard on Western non-spiritual people who have been taught from the very beginning that individualism is right and if we do something wrong, we have to be punished for it, and no one else can just step in front of that car. And in this example God is hardly a drunk driver. Not only does he know what he's doing sending people to Hell, but it is right to do it... Or else he wouldn't.

It's why you get all these topics about original sin. For a Western non-spiritual person, it's binary: Either I did something wrong or I didn't. If I did, no one else can absolve that; whatever the punishment is, the only morally righteous thing is for me to pay it. If I didn't, there's nothing to absolve.

It's the exact same type of resistance you get to anti-racism because it charges people to make up for what they didn't personally do, and they hate that idea.

[brunumb]

When I said "life" meant HUMAN life.

.... In that case, what was resurrected?

Jesus (the person) was resurrected but not as a human. He was brought back in another lifeform ... a spirit.

What about the behaviour of the resurrected Jesus spells 'spirit'?

[JehovahsWitness]

When I said "life" meant HUMAN life.

.... In that case, what was resurrected?

Jesus (the person) was resurrected but not as a human. He was brought back in another lifeform ... a spirit.

What about the behaviour of the resurrected Jesus spells 'spirit'?

I dont have a list of spirit behaviour ; I just have the bible that says ....

1 PETER 3:18
For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive [resurrected][ in the spirit.

1 CORINTHIANS 15:44,45
It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body [...] The first man Adam became a living person. The last Adam [Jesus] became a life-giving spirit.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:16
Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way.

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[brunumb]

When I said "life" meant HUMAN life.

.... In that case, what was resurrected?

Jesus (the person) was resurrected but not as a human. He was brought back in another lifeform ... a spirit.

What about the behaviour of the resurrected Jesus spells 'spirit'?

I dont have a list of spirit behaviour ; I just have the bible that says ....

Jesus' behaviour! He walked, talked, ate, got 'poked' etc. All things one associates with a physical body rather than a spirit body. It seems that Jesus was resurrected as a human again, albeit in a repaired body, and the alleged payment for sin was therefore defaulted.

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus' behaviour! He walked, talked, ate, got 'poked' etc. All things one associates with a physical body rather than a spirit body.

Yes, biblically spirits can assume human form (take on a human body) and do these things and more...

It seems that Jesus was resurrected as a human again ...

No, scriptures are quite clear on that. (See below)

1 PETER 3:18
For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive [resurrected][ in the spirit.

1 CORINTHIANS 15:44,45
It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body [...] The first man Adam became a living person. The last Adam [Jesus] became a life-giving spirit.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:16
Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way.

[brunumb]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #18]

What became of the physical body of Jesus?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #18]

What became of the physical body of Jesus?

I don't know. God probably disposed of it. If humans can dispose of corpes, I see no reason God can't.



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