Temporary Sin Bearer Or Eternal Sin Bearer

[SacredBishop]

If Jesus bore the sins of humanity, why does his death absolve him of bearing them still? Shouldn't he bear them for always? A perpetual burden for perpetual redemption? Did his resurrection free him from absorbing sin into himself, or did his death? If his death is the merit of redemption, then he should stay dead for always. A perpetual death for perpetual redemption. If his life was the means to bear sin, then he should never have died, a perpetual continuity of bearing sin. If his resurrection enables him to continually bear sin, then back we go.

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #18]

What became of the physical body of Jesus?

I don't know. God probably disposed of it. If humans can dispose of corpes, I see no reason God can't.

In that case I would say that Jesus wasn't resurrected, he was just replaced by another entity.

[JehovahsWitness]

In that case I would say that Jesus wasn't resurrected, he was just replaced by another entity.

I'm sure you would but that's certainly not supported by scripture. And its not even logical: after all, the body you have now as an adult is almost unrecognisable to the one you had when you were a baby, does that mean you have been "replaced by another entity"?



Regardless of one's body, it's one's personality, memories, and individual capacities that makes a unique individual. Scripturaly a resurrection is someone that dies that comes back to life, there is nothing that dictates they must do so in the same body.




JW

[brunumb]

In that case I would say that Jesus wasn't resurrected, he was just replaced by another entity.

I'm sure you would but that's certainly not supported by scripture. And its not even logical: after all, the body you have now as an adult is almost unrecognisable to the one you had when you were a baby, does that mean you have been "replaced by another entity"?



Regardless of one's body, it's one's personality, memories, and individual capacities that makes a unique individual. Scripturaly a resurrection is someone that dies that comes back to life, there is nothing that dictates they must do so in the same body.

JW

Jesus' spirit couldn't die, just his human body. His human body wasn't resurrected, apparently it didn't come back to life and was just dumped. His spirit continued. It's all just a shell game.

[JehovahsWitness]

In that case I would say that Jesus wasn't resurrected, he was just replaced by another entity.

I'm sure you would but that's certainly not supported by scripture. And its not even logical: after all, the body you have now as an adult is almost unrecognisable to the one you had when you were a baby, does that mean you have been "replaced by another entity"?



Regardless of one's body, it's one's personality, memories, and individual capacities that makes a unique individual. Scripturaly a resurrection is someone that dies that comes back to life, there is nothing that dictates they must do so in the same body.

JW

Jesus' spirit couldn't die, just his human body. His human body wasn't resurrected, apparently it didn't come back to life and was just dumped. His spirit continued. It's all just a shell game.

So you agree that Jesus wasn't " replaced by another entity" he simply changed his "shell"?





JW

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In that case I would say that Jesus wasn't resurrected, he was just replaced by another entity.

I'm sure you would but that's certainly not supported by scripture. And its not even logical: after all, the body you have now as an adult is almost unrecognisable to the one you had when you were a baby, does that mean you have been "replaced by another entity"?



Regardless of one's body, it's one's personality, memories, and individual capacities that makes a unique individual. Scripturaly a resurrection is someone that dies that comes back to life, there is nothing that dictates they must do so in the same body.

JW

Jesus' spirit couldn't die, just his human body. His human body wasn't resurrected, apparently it didn't come back to life and was just dumped. His spirit continued. It's all just a shell game.

So you agree that Jesus wasn't " replaced by another entity" he simply changed his "shell"?

JW

I'm saying that human Jesus was not resurrected and any other sleight of hand doesn't count.

[JehovahsWitness]

I'm saying that human Jesus was not resurrected ...

ACTS 2:32 - Holman Christian Standard Bible

God has resurrected this Jesus. We are all witnesses

ROMANS 6:9:

"We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again..."

• If you are saying you personally do not personally BELIEVE that the human Jesus of Nazareth was resurrected in any form and that he ceased to exist forever 2000 years ago, fair enough, we all choose what to believe and what not to

• If, however, you are claiming that the bible narrative does NOT claim Jesus of Nazareth was resurrected in any form, that is demonstratively incorrect (see scriptures above ).

• If you mean the person that was formerly the human Jesus was indeed resurrected but was not resurrected as a human, that exactly my point and we are in agreement.

• If you are saying that according to the bible narrative, the human, identified as Jesus of Nazareth, is currently a spirit and is no longer a human ( "a shell game") then again we are in agreement: Jesus changed his "shell" from flesh and bood human to indestructible SPIRIT

• If you mean the human identified as of Nazareth of Nazareth never died at all and are suggesting the narrative holds that there is a 2000 year old human hiding out in Palestine somewhere... that is a bizarre interpretation of the text and while you are welcome to your reading, scriptures afirm that the human Jesus did indeed die.

JW

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #26]

I'm going with the biblical writer got it wrong. Simple human error. The human form of Jesus was not resurrected.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #26]

I'm going with the biblical writer got it wrong. Simple human error. The human form of Jesus was not resurrected.

Fair enough. As long as you are not arguing that the biblical narrative does not present Jesus of Nazareth as dying and later being resurrected, we have no issue.



JW

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #18]

What became of the physical body of Jesus?

I don't know. God probably disposed of it. If humans can dispose of corpes, I see no reason God can't.

But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit. So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have. (Luke 24:37-39)

That's from your own New World Translation. If Jesus didn't have his physical body, then whose "flesh and bones" did he have?

I think the point here is that, regardless of whether the wages of sin is supposed to be just death or eternity in hell, a sinner who died and suffered either of those fates eternally would end up paying a higher price for his sins than Jesus paid for them.