The Atonement

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To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

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The inevitable results of Christ's Obedience !

Just as by ones man's disobedience, those that he federally represented, were made actually disobedient See Paul's statement to the Elect here Titus 3:3

For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

So likewise, by one mans obedience, those He federally represented shall be made actually obedient !

Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 10

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1 Pet 2:24


24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The End of Christ's Death, the bearing of Our Sins on the Tree, not for everyone but for His Elect 1 Pet 1:1-2, the end design was that we may Live unto Righteousness or to Live by Faith, now if this end was not obtained in this life, for everyone Christ bared their sins, His death was a failure to the Purpose of God, but if it was not a failure, which it was not, then all who die in their sins and meet with eternal damnation Matt 25:41, He did not bear their sins on in His Body on the Tree ! 10

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Brightfame52 in post #692]
So what is your question?

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #693]

I didnt ask any questions , I made statements !

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #693]

I didnt ask any questions , I made statements !

Can you explain why you chose that particular Scripture? What is your point?

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #695]

I already have explained.

[Brightfame52]

We know that Christ's Death is efficacious for all whom He died by this Blessed Passage of the Covenant Heb 9:15-17

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

In one of the ways this Covenental Death takes effect, is because the Mediator of it, the Lord Jesus Christ Vs 15 has risen from the dead to be the executor of it [apply its benefits], for He being exalted to be a Prince and Saviour Acts 5:31, He therefore dispenses with the benefits of His Covenantal Death, which includes giving Repentance and Remission of sins to His Elect [Israel of God] and in this way His death takes effect. These blessed effects were foretold here in this prophecy Isa 53:10-11

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

By it stating " The pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His Hand", this means for all whom He died, all the Father desired to be saved and come to a knowledge of the Truth 1 Tim 2:4, this prospered in His Hand and was accomplished ! 10

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Christ is a Saviour to Israel, His Church !

Christ in being a Saviour, does not make Salvation possible, for that is only to be a possible Saviour, which is no Saviour at all, but He is Actually a Saviour,no not to everyone in the World, for that was never God's Promise, but to Israel, a elect people out of every tribe and kindred.

The promise is that Israel shall be saved Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Israel here means God's Elect from amongst jew and gentile.

Paul preached that according to PROMISE God hath raised up a Saviour Unto Israel Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Folks, Jesus came only to save a elect people name Israel Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people[Israel] from their sins.

Now notice what Paul preached in Acts 13:23, that these same words did apply to some gentiles, we know from vs 42

42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

The words of Acts 13:23, simply because they too partake of the Promises of the Gospel to Israel Eph 3:6

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

What are the promises in Christ by the Gospel ? Well its promises like Isa 45:17

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Yes, that was a mystery back then, that the gentiles would be fellowheirs of that Gospel promise to Israel.

So Christ as the risen Saviour gives Repentance to Israel His Elect Acts 5:31 and Acts 11:18

Those gentiles of Acts 11:18 are fellowheirs with the Israel of Acts 5:31.

So all for whom Christ died, His Israel, are given Repentance unto life ! Thats why He is a Saviour unto them !

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What is repentance ? In short repentance is no more than the redeemed sinner being experientially reconcile to God, and this reconciliation is given or bestowed upon all for whom Christ died Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

This reconciliation also is through Christ's death as that in Rom 5:10 was, the difference being this. The reconciliation in Rom 5:10 was God being reconciled to is Apostate people even while they are being enemies, and it is promised there, that they shall be saved by His Life, well here in 1 Col 1:21 is the fulfillment of that promise, and what Christ does here to save us, is reconcile us to God and He does away with that enmity that was in our minds by wicked works, of which constituted us enemies Rom 5:10, so basically, we have recorded between Rom 5:10 and Col 1:20 the full effect of Christ's Reconciling Death !

Col 1:20 is actually expressive of one being given repentance toward God,and again it is the effect of Christ's reconciling death, and to deny Christ's Death this accomplishment for everyone He died, is antichrist, plain and simple ! 10

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Jesus gives Life to the World ! Pt 2

The Lord Jesus Christ Gives, not offer, or make available, Life [Spiritual] to the World [ Church or the World of His Sheep, both jew and gentile Sheep ! ] !

Jn 6:33

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. That is He is giving if forth from Himself, as the quickening Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The word quickening is the greek word zōopoieō and means:

to produce alive, begat or bear living young

2) to cause to live, make alive, give life

a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate

b) to restore to life

c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life

d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life

3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing

So He became a Life giving Spirit, by sending the Holy Spirit to give Life to His Church !

Now because Christ by dying this Covenant Death for the World He is to save Matt 26:28, the World He died for is given Life, life from the Spiritual Dead, for this must be so, for He states this Purpose Jn 10:10

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have or receive life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

All for whom Christ will be by His Resurrection or because of it, begotten again unto a Lively Hope !

1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This begotten again is the greek anagennaō and means:


to produce again, be born again, born anew

2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

They produced again into a new Life. This corresponds with Him being a Life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45 and that is how He fulfills what is said in Jn 6:33

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

He gives it through New Birth to each member of that World ! 10