Donald Trump Getting Indicted & Arrested

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Donald Trump Getting Indicted & Arrested

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  • 1. Former President Donald Trump took to social media and said he expects to be arrested Tuesday.
  • 2. A grand jury has been hearing testimony related to the 2016 payoff to Stormy Daniels, but no public announcements have been made about when or if Trump will actually be indicted.
  • 3. Trump cited leaks from the “corrupt” Manhattan district attorney’s office and urged his supporters to protest on his behalf. (CNBC)
  • 4. Twitter CEO Elon Musk on Saturday predicted that former President Donald Trump will be re-elected in a "landslide" if he is indicted — or possibly arrested and potentially "handcuffed" — next week.
Question 1: Should Trump be arrested and charged?
Question 2: It has been suggested that a protest could be a part 2 of the Jan 6, 2021 insurrection. Do you agree yes or no and why?
Question 3: Is Elon Musk right in his observation?
To vacillate or not to vacillate, that is the question...or is it?😎

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Zorek wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:26 pm
  • 1. Former President Donald Trump took to social media and said he expects to be arrested Tuesday.
  • 2. A grand jury has been hearing testimony related to the 2016 payoff to Stormy Daniels, but no public announcements have been made about when or if Trump will actually be indicted.
  • 3. Trump cited leaks from the “corrupt” Manhattan district attorney’s office and urged his supporters to protest on his behalf. (CNBC)
  • 4. Twitter CEO Elon Musk on Saturday predicted that former President Donald Trump will be re-elected in a "landslide" if he is indicted — or possibly arrested and potentially "handcuffed" — next week.
Question 1: Should Trump be arrested and charged?
Question 2: It has been suggested that a protest could be a part 2 of the Jan 6, 2021 insurrection. Do you agree yes or no and why?
Question 3: Is Elon Musk right in his observation?
Question 1: Should Trump be arrested and charged? No. He should be arrested and immediately done away with. A trial is unnecessary. He never thought it was necessary to play by the rules in his dealings others, so there should be no expectation that he be treated any differently.

Question 2: It has been suggested that a protest could be a part 2 of the Jan 6, 2021 insurrection. Do you agree yes or no and why? I agree that it certainly could be, and was. Trump's minions were protesting the vote-counting ceremony by staging an insurrection.

Question 3: Is Elon Musk right in his observation? I really can't care what Musk observes.

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Re: Donald Trump Getting Indicted & Arrested

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Miles wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:02 pm
Zorek wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:26 pm
  • 1. Former President Donald Trump took to social media and said he expects to be arrested Tuesday.
  • 2. A grand jury has been hearing testimony related to the 2016 payoff to Stormy Daniels, but no public announcements have been made about when or if Trump will actually be indicted.
  • 3. Trump cited leaks from the “corrupt” Manhattan district attorney’s office and urged his supporters to protest on his behalf. (CNBC)
  • 4. Twitter CEO Elon Musk on Saturday predicted that former President Donald Trump will be re-elected in a "landslide" if he is indicted — or possibly arrested and potentially "handcuffed" — next week.
Question 1: Should Trump be arrested and charged?
Question 2: It has been suggested that a protest could be a part 2 of the Jan 6, 2021 insurrection. Do you agree yes or no and why?
Question 3: Is Elon Musk right in his observation?
Question 1: Should Trump be arrested and charged? No. He should be arrested and immediately done away with. A trial is unnecessary. He never thought it was necessary to play by the rules in his dealings others, so there should be no expectation that he be treated any differently.

Question 2: It has been suggested that a protest could be a part 2 of the Jan 6, 2021 insurrection. Do you agree yes or no and why? I agree that it certainly could be, and was. Trump's minions were protesting the vote-counting ceremony by staging an insurrection.

Question 3: Is Elon Musk right in his observation? I really can't care what Musk observes.

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I dont have much respect for Musk and also dont care for much he says. He has done damage to Twitter. Aparrently Tesla isnt doing that well either. I was thinking, though, more along the lines of what Trump said during his 2016 run when he said that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and would not lose supporters. I am hoping it wont galvanize his current Maga cult and then create more sympathetic voters.
To vacillate or not to vacillate, that is the question...or is it?😎

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1. If the prosecutor can prove Trump knew about the hush money payment, then he's toast. I don't know if they can do that. I suspect, given Trump's behavior this last week, they can.

2. Given the way the insurrection went and affected Americans, Trump would be an idiot to call out his minions again to riot and fight police. But there's at least fair evidence that he is an idiot. Notice his lawyers are trying to shut him up and are trying to walk back Trump's call to his followers.

3. No one, for a long time, is going to win by a landslide in a national political race. But look what the insurrection did for the mid-term elections. Worst outcome for a party out of power, in a half-century. So not very encouraging that an indictment of Trump and outrage from his followers would work to Trump's benefit.

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The Barbarian wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:28 pm 1. If the prosecutor can prove Trump knew about the hush money payment, then he's toast. I don't know if they can do that. I suspect, given Trump's behavior this last week, they can.

2. Given the way the insurrection went and affected Americans, Trump would be an idiot to call out his minions again to riot and fight police. But there's at least fair evidence that he is an idiot. Notice his lawyers are trying to shut him up and are trying to walk back Trump's call to his followers.

3. No one, for a long time, is going to win by a landslide in a national political race. But look what the insurrection did for the mid-term elections. Worst outcome for a party out of power, in a half-century. So not very encouraging that an indictment of Trump and outrage from his followers would work to Trump's benefit.
1. So no man can ever pay off a woman to keep the information from his wife? Coen initiated the money . The 130K amount (such an odd amount) . Why? He was not asked to, he took it upon himself to do so. and not until the Donald kenw what wa done was he reimbursed.
Now... why did Coen do it? 2 possible reasons. Either he got wind of Stormys intended extortion from the Donald or he was ingratiating himself with him.

How exactly did Coen know about the affair to begin with? I think Stormy told him. Maybe they were in it together to get the Donald to part with some big bucks. But Coen had to borrow the amount to carry it out. And Stormy seemingly had no clue what an NDA meant.

She opened her mouth and it was obvious to everyone that Melania was not happy. Be it in the Whitehouse, or the NYC apartment the Donald had reasons to shut up Stormy, though if he kept it zipped there would not have been any trouble on the home front.

2. What insurrection? What call to his followers? It is obvious you have not seen many of those tapes. The ones the left is still chagrinned that are being let out for the public to watch.

We get to see just how much they lied. And lie they did about Jacob Chansley ( the Q-ANON Shaman) who is sitting in jail for the crime of praying in the senate chamber. The left said he was a terrorist who came through a broken window to stir things up when it is clear for all to see him entering quite peacefully through the open doors with other peaceful people. And double clear to watch the videos that has the capitol police "ESCORTING" him through the halls and holding the door to the Senate Chamber where he walked forward and can be heard praying
peacefully to our God. And this caused him to now sbe sitting in jail with other peaceful protestors.

You sound like a blind hog looking for that acorn and all you have found are weeds.

3. You say one accurate thing. " No one, for a long time, is going to win by a landslide in a national political race."

And that includes the incorrect vote count that propelled Joey into office. That steal was masterfully accomplished and for the first time you can bet there was both China and Russia involved. THEY HAD to eliminate Trump.

And they will continue to interfere until we find a way to stop it...... period

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Redemption Q wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 am 1. So no man can ever pay off a woman to keep the information from his wife?
If he's running for election, there are some ways that doing it will result in felonies, yes.
2. What insurrection?
This one:
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Wherein Trump partisans attacked the Capitol in a vain attempt to overturn the election and to hang the Vice President.
What call to his followers?
"Go to the Capitol"; "fight like hell." Stuff like that. As you know, many of the insurgents admitted that they attacked the Capitol because Trump told them to do it.

Every Capitol Rioter Who Has Said Donald Trump Incited Them
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-c ... ts-1567808

It is obvious you have not seen many of those tapes. The ones that show the insurgents breaking into the building, attacking police and looting. Would you like me to show you some of that?
3. You say one accurate thing. " No one, for a long time, is going to win by a landslide in a national political race."
The country is very divided. But as you know, Trump lost decisively and fairly.
And that includes the incorrect vote count that propelled Joey into office.
Even Trump's own AG admitted that story was BS. Publicly. It is, apparently, why Trump had a hissy fit, throwing plates of ketchup at walls.
That steal was masterfully accomplished and for the first time you can bet there was both China and Russia involved. THEY HAD to eliminate Trump.
Putin openly supported Trump. You didn't know that?
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday he wanted President Donald Trump to win the 2016 election because he believed Trump’s policies would be more friendly to the Kremlin.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/ ... 016-722486

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The Barbarian wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:18 am
Redemption Q wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 am 1. So no man can ever pay off a woman to keep the information from his wife?
If he's running for election, there are some ways that doing it will result in felonies, yes.
2. What insurrection?
This one:
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Wherein Trump partisans attacked the Capitol in a vain attempt to overturn the election and to hang the Vice President.
What call to his followers?
"Go to the Capitol"; "fight like hell." Stuff like that. As you know, many of the insurgents admitted that they attacked the Capitol because Trump told them to do it.

Every Capitol Rioter Who Has Said Donald Trump Incited Them
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-c ... ts-1567808

It is obvious you have not seen many of those tapes. The ones that show the insurgents breaking into the building, attacking police and looting. Would you like me to show you some of that?
3. You say one accurate thing. " No one, for a long time, is going to win by a landslide in a national political race."
The country is very divided. But as you know, Trump lost decisively and fairly.
And that includes the incorrect vote count that propelled Joey into office.
Even Trump's own AG admitted that story was BS. Publicly. It is, apparently, why Trump had a hissy fit, throwing plates of ketchup at walls.
That steal was masterfully accomplished and for the first time you can bet there was both China and Russia involved. THEY HAD to eliminate Trump.
Putin openly supported Trump. You didn't know that?
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday he wanted President Donald Trump to win the 2016 election because he believed Trump’s policies would be more friendly to the Kremlin.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/ ... 016-722486
We are not talking about 2016 but 2020. By that time Putin did not like DT very well.

As far as your picture goes.... I see no riot, I see people anxious to get inside No weapons. Not even any fist being shown. Just people showing their support for their choice.

Yes, it WAS a stolen election

Those who said that DT told them to riot... they are not the ones in jail.

Just think about that for a while.

Cherry picking statements does not a picture tell.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did ... ol-1561718
Newsweek. (Nit a very right leaning magazine)

n January 13, President Donald Trump was impeached in the House of Representatives for the second time. He was charged with "high crimes and misdemeanors" and "engaging in insurrection or rebellion against the United States" after claims that his Save America Rally speech on January 6, as well as his rhetoric about election fraud earlier, incited the violence that broke out when his supporters stormed the Capitol building the same day during the election certification.

The Claim
Trump and his supporters have dismissed this accusation, noting that he called for peaceful protests during his speech. They point to a section in his speech in which he said to "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

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Boom 💥 Video proves President Trump called on people to “PEACEFULLY & PATRIOTICALLY march to the Capital”

Case closed. Pass it on #TrumpInsurrection #60Minutes pic.twitter.com/LEUdjguOJc

— Melissa Tate text MAGA to 31996 (@TheRightMelissa) January 11, 2021
The Facts
Toward the beginning of his speech on January 6, Trump mentioned to the crowd that they have to demand that Congress "do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated."

Since the election in November, Trump and many of his allies have touted the unproven claims of mass election fraud. Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr announced in December that the Department of Justice uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election. All of the evidence Trump's team presented to try to prove voter fraud has been dismissed and he lost 61 of the 62 lawsuits filed challenging the presidential election results.

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Still, up until the official certification of election results, Trump continued to push this false narrative to his most ardent supporters.

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard," Trump said in his speech. "Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for [the] integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period."

The president did mention walking to the Capitol in a peaceful manner. Those who defend the president also point to a call to vote out members of Congress who do not agree with Trump.

"If they don't fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight," Trump said. "You primary them. We're going to let you know who they are."

He also said he and the crowd would "walk down to the Capitol" to "cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women."

"We're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you'll never take back our country with weakness," he said. "You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."

However, Trump's call to display strength shows a possible contradiction in Trump's message to his crowd before the certification vote.


The official impeachment resolution points to the moments before the joint session of Congress to certify the election results, Trump reiterated "false claims that 'we won this election and we won it in a landslide'" and "willfully made statements that, in context, encourages and foreseeably resulted in lawless action at the Capitol." These statements include: "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore."

The resolution continues to assert that the crowd was incited by the president to unlawfully breach and vandalize the Capitol, injure and kill law enforcement personnel, menaced members of Congress, Vice President Mike Pence and congressional personnel, "and engage in other violent, deadly, destructive, and seditious acts," in an attempt to "among other objectives" to interfere with the certification of the 2020 Presidential election results.

While the president's supporters believe that his mention of marching peacefully exonerates him from blame, others believe the context and intention of this and other speeches are enough to prove his guilt and justify impeachment.

After the crowd had infiltrated the Capitol building, Trump took to his now-deleted personal Twitter account to address his supporters.

"I know your pain," Trump said. "I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side, but you have to go home now."

He also urged his supporters to be peaceful and maintain "law and order."

"Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement," he tweeted. "They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!
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Wow a lot of false information. Let's get started...

Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used
https://www.ideastream.org/news/yes-cap ... -they-used

US Capitol rioter who said he believed he was following Trump’s orders found guilty on all charges
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/14/politics ... index.html

Republicans who texted Meadows with urgent pleas on January 6 say Trump could have stopped the violence
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/02/politics ... index.html

Trump Refused to Call Off Rioters for Hours as Pence Security Detail Scrambled, January 6 Committee Shows
White House aides and members of the Trump family urged former president Donald Trump to put out a message telling his supporters to leave the Capitol during the riots on January 6, 2021, for hours to no avail, according to the latest January 6 committee hearing.

Former White House aides and security officials testified in a primetime hearing of the House committee investigating the January 6 Capitol riot on Thursday, offering a timeline of the 187 minutes between Trump’s speech at the Ellipse and when he finally released a video urging protesters to go home.


Only after Trump realized that the insurgency had failed, did he call on his people to give up and leave.
As far as your picture goes.... I see no riot, I see people anxious to get inside No weapons. Not even any fist being shown. Just people showing their support for their choice.
You really haven't seen any of the video, have you?
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Zorek wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:26 pm Question 1: Should Trump be arrested and charged?
Arresting your party’s primary political opponent on something this nebulous is a dangerous. The apparent crime is recording repaying hush money as “legal expenses.” That is a misdemeanor that requires proving that Trump personally knew that the money was not legal expenses and intentionally lied on his company documents.

To my mind, to arrest a former president on such a minor charge then the prosecution had better have a video with audio of Trump saying, “I am now paying you back the money use used to bribe Stormy Daniels not to go public with the affair, and I am going to record this a legal expenses even thought I know that is a crime.” Anything less than that is playing with fire and setting a dangerous precedent.

Zorek wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:26 pm Question 2: It has been suggested that a protest could be a part 2 of the Jan 6, 2021 insurrection. Do you agree yes or no and why?
No. That was a pathetic attempt at insurrection. Most protests are not that.
Zorek wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:26 pm Question 3: Is Elon Musk right in his observation?
Arresting Trump on something like this would most like aide his reelection. Unless Democrats condemn the arrest (I can't see that happening), it makes Democrats look petty and at least a little corrupt.
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bjs1 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:36 pm
Zorek wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:26 pm Question 1: Should Trump be arrested and charged?
Arresting your party’s primary political opponent on something this nebulous is a dangerous. The apparent crime is recording repaying hush money as “legal expenses.” That is a misdemeanor that requires proving that Trump personally knew that the money was not legal expenses and intentionally lied on his company documents.

According to Mark Pomerantz, a former prosecutor who worked closely on the case and recently published a book about his experience, Cohen submitted phony invoices throughout 2017 referencing a “retainer agreement” and requesting payment. Then Cohen received a series of checks, hand-signed by Trump while he was in the White House. The legal problem is there was no retainer agreement — according to Pomerantz, it was all done to cover up the hush money scheme. The fake documentation of “legal expenses” on the Trump Organization’s books could trigger a charge under New York state law, which makes falsifying business records a crime.

Normally, the false business records charge would be a misdemeanor. In order to elevate it to a felony, the defendant needs to have created the fake records with an intent to commit or conceal “another crime.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... -rcna75594

The key here is the way even a hint of indictment had Trump in a tizzy to the point that he was asking for protests. The DA seems to be playing him rather well right now. Such a thing often happens when the case is good enough to prosecute, but they'd like a little more evidence. And given Trump's lack of self-discipline, it's probably a good strategy.

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